QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Defense was giving up 25.8 PPG before Jimmy started; 19.8 PPG once Jimmy started.

Average TOP was 27:31 before Jimmy started; 32:54 once Jimmy started.

Do you think this helped the defense? Who do you think had more influence over the TOP improvement, Jimmy or Robbie Gould?

TOP only mattered when they scored TD's. It's an overrated statistic. We held the ball for long periods of time under Harbaugh but kicked field goals.

Difference between what Brock did and what Jimmy did is Jimmy made a lot more plays out of strucure than Brock did. That can be unsustainable (We saw that with Kap). Once Jimmy lost the ability to ad lib his flaws in reading defenses from inside the pocket were exposed. I saw many fewer flaws inside the pocket from Brock.

TOP is not overrated at all when it comes to the number of plays that a defense is on the field. The more plays a defense is on the field, the worse it tends to play. My point is that Jimmy's play absolutely turned around the TOP for the Niners, which helped the defense tremendously. Or maybe the defense just decided to suddenly start playing better at the exact same time that Jimmy arrived. Or maybe they were inspired by Robbie Gould's field goals.

I agree with you that Brock is much better at everything that we're discussing. Again, no need for people to pretend that Jimmy wasn't good and wasn't a huge difference maker for this team and franchise. He was. Now we're even better with Brock.

Originally posted by Furlow:
TOP is not overrated at all when it comes to the number of plays that a defense is on the field. The more plays a defense is on the field, the worse it tends to play. My point is that Jimmy's play absolutely turned around the TOP for the Niners, which helped the defense tremendously. Or maybe the defense just decided to suddenly start playing better at the exact same time that Jimmy arrived. Or maybe they were inspired by Robbie Gould's field goals.

I agree with you that Brock is much better at everything that we're discussing. Again, no need for people to pretend that Jimmy wasn't good and wasn't a huge difference maker for this team and franchise. He was. Now we're even better with Brock.

If the defense gets a 3 and out stop they aren't on the field that much.

Jimmy scoring points was far more helpful than an extra 5 minutes of possession.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
TOP is not overrated at all when it comes to the number of plays that a defense is on the field. The more plays a defense is on the field, the worse it tends to play. My point is that Jimmy's play absolutely turned around the TOP for the Niners, which helped the defense tremendously. Or maybe the defense just decided to suddenly start playing better at the exact same time that Jimmy arrived. Or maybe they were inspired by Robbie Gould's field goals.

I agree with you that Brock is much better at everything that we're discussing. Again, no need for people to pretend that Jimmy wasn't good and wasn't a huge difference maker for this team and franchise. He was. Now we're even better with Brock.

If the defense gets a 3 and out stop they aren't on the field that much.

Jimmy scoring points was far more helpful than an extra 5 minutes of possession.

They go hand in hand. Football is not a sum of all of these different stats and figures. My point was Jimmy had a far greater impact on the play of the defense, and the outcome of games, than Gould. Lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
TOP is not overrated at all when it comes to the number of plays that a defense is on the field. The more plays a defense is on the field, the worse it tends to play. My point is that Jimmy's play absolutely turned around the TOP for the Niners, which helped the defense tremendously. Or maybe the defense just decided to suddenly start playing better at the exact same time that Jimmy arrived. Or maybe they were inspired by Robbie Gould's field goals.

I agree with you that Brock is much better at everything that we're discussing. Again, no need for people to pretend that Jimmy wasn't good and wasn't a huge difference maker for this team and franchise. He was. Now we're even better with Brock.

If the defense gets a 3 and out stop they aren't on the field that much.

Gould scoring points was far more helpful than an extra 5 minutes of possession.

Fixed.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fixed.

If ya hear brodie tell it that was all Kyles fault.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fixed.

If ya hear brodie tell it that was all Kyles fault.

Oh, of course. It couldn't have been the QB's fault. However, they don't call it SETTLING for FG's for nothing. And we settled for 18 of them in that 5 game stretch.

If Jimmy can get a $140 mil contract after 5 games then Purdy should get the same!!! Just sayin!!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fixed.

If ya hear brodie tell it that was all Kyles fault.

Oh, of course. It couldn't have been the QB's fault. However, they don't call it SETTLING for FG's for nothing. And we settled for 18 of them in that 5 game stretch.

Feel free to answer this in this thread or the Jimmy thread. Because you're dodging it in both:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The lengths posters will go to downgrade Robbie Gould's contributions. Disgusting.

We also never read about how the defense was giving up less than 20 ppg during that 5 game stretch.

Defense was giving up 25.8 PPG before Jimmy started; 19.8 PPG once Jimmy started.

Average TOP was 27:31 before Jimmy started; 32:54 once Jimmy started.

Do you think this helped the defense? Who do you think had more influence over the TOP improvement, Jimmy or Robbie Gould?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If Jimmy can get a $140 mil contract after 5 games then Purdy should get the same!!! Just sayin!!

You are literally saying we shouldn't learn from past mistakes, but make them over and over?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If Jimmy can get a $140 mil contract after 5 games then Purdy should get the same!!! Just sayin!!

You are literally saying we shouldn't learn from past mistakes, but make them over and over?

Of course you can't give Purdy anything yet so calm down.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If Jimmy can get a $140 mil contract after 5 games then Purdy should get the same!!! Just sayin!!

You are literally saying we shouldn't learn from past mistakes, but make them over and over?

Of course you can't give Purdy anything yet so calm down.

If we choose to extend Purdy when the time comes, as our QB1, I would be thrilled paying him that much in a few more years. That would be middle of the pack rate, if not lower.

Young defenses tend to play better as seasons go. To credit ALL of that just to Jimmy isn't fair. Jimmy was definitely a difference maker from losing every one score game to winning them though.

Was a combination of everything.

Without looking my guess the TOP numbers at the end of this season weren't super slanted in the 9ers favor. Why? Because the other team was holding the ball a lot in garbage time. Possession is worthwhile when you consistently score td's. An 8 minute drive that leads to 3 isn't that valuable.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Young defenses tend to play better as seasons go. To credit ALL of that just to Jimmy isn't fair. Jimmy was definitely a difference maker from losing every one score game to winning them though.

Was a combination of everything.

Without looking my guess the TOP numbers at the end of this season weren't super slanted in the 9ers favor. Why? Because the other team was holding the ball a lot in garbage time. Possession is worthwhile when you consistently score td's. An 8 minute drive that leads to 3 isn't that valuable.

You're completely wrong. There was no improvement from the defense at any point during the 2017 season until Jimmy took over. And the TOP dramatically spiked in our favor when Jimmy took over. As did the offensive yards and points per game. Yes it's a "combination of everything," it always is. But the only thing that changed in 2017 is Jimmy became the starter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2017/gamelog/

Weird that so many people have such a hard time giving the guy credit for what he did. Yes he got hurt a lot and yes he came up short. Yes Purdy is better. None of those are reasons to try and pretend that Jimmy wasn't a huge difference maker for this team.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fixed.

If ya hear brodie tell it that was all Kyles fault.

Oh, of course. It couldn't have been the QB's fault. However, they don't call it SETTLING for FG's for nothing. And we settled for 18 of them in that 5 game stretch.

Feel free to answer this in this thread or the Jimmy thread. Because you're dodging it in both:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The lengths posters will go to downgrade Robbie Gould's contributions. Disgusting.

We also never read about how the defense was giving up less than 20 ppg during that 5 game stretch.

Defense was giving up 25.8 PPG before Jimmy started; 19.8 PPG once Jimmy started.

Average TOP was 27:31 before Jimmy started; 32:54 once Jimmy started.

Do you think this helped the defense? Who do you think had more influence over the TOP improvement, Jimmy or Robbie Gould?

I see you making a lot of assumptions. TOP is a two way street. If the defense cannot get off the field on 3rd down, it keeps the offense on the bench and gives the opposition more TOP. TOP from the offense comes from sustaining drives and going the length of the field but since 18 times in 5 games means that we were not going the length of the field on almost 4 scoring possessions per game. In that 5 game stretch, we averaged 10.6 drives per game. That would have put them number 1 in the league a head of NE who averaged 10.4 drives per game that season. You get more drives and more opportunities when the defense plays well and gets off the field on 3rd down consistently. Did that answer your question?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Young defenses tend to play better as seasons go. To credit ALL of that just to Jimmy isn't fair. Jimmy was definitely a difference maker from losing every one score game to winning them though.

Was a combination of everything.

Without looking my guess the TOP numbers at the end of this season weren't super slanted in the 9ers favor. Why? Because the other team was holding the ball a lot in garbage time. Possession is worthwhile when you consistently score td's. An 8 minute drive that leads to 3 isn't that valuable.

You're completely wrong. There was no improvement from the defense at any point during the 2017 season until Jimmy took over. And the TOP dramatically spiked in our favor when Jimmy took over. As did the offensive yards and points per game. Yes it's a "combination of everything," it always is. But the only thing that changed in 2017 is Jimmy became the starter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2017/gamelog/

Weird that so many people have such a hard time giving the guy credit for what he did. Yes he got hurt a lot and yes he came up short. Yes Purdy is better. None of those are reasons to try and pretend that Jimmy wasn't a huge difference maker for this team.

He deserves some credit. He played well in the fact that he was good at sustaining drives by converting on 3rd down. I have always given him credit for being efficient on 3rd down. Its one of his best attributes and has a lot to do with his quick release. But we had a lot of drives set up by the defense and a lot of FG attempts.