QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

absolutely and if Trey plays well enough he'll keep the job.

For me, I enjoyed watching the offence with Purdy at QB more than I have since probably when Young was here. A '%' of that is down to CMC which makes it interesting to see how Lance looks in the coming months.

Shoot we could all be sitting in the 'Sam Darnold Ultimate redemption arc' thread in a years time for all we know.

I agree. We have seen Brock with CMC and Kittle who were his favorite targets. We have seen 1 game with Trey and Kittle and 0 games with Trey and CMC. This offense started to improve before Purdy even stepped onto the field. It started to improve once we acquired CMC who became the QB safety valve.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

That's what it boils down to for me. If we are moving the ball and it looks the way Kyles offense is supposed to look. Then Trey should remain in. If it looks disjointed and clunky with a bunch of QB runs, then i'd rather go back to Brock.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Yes. He did the whole game manager type thing against the cowboys and squeaked out a win mainly due to the defensive performance. His performance was not great. The cowboys defense kept baiting him into his tendencies and his accuracy was by far the worst since he took over. It just so happens that Dak played worse that day.

You will never convince me that Trey will lose his job if he is playing well. You provided no quantifiable criteria that Trey would need to meet in order to keep the job. Which conveniently leaves it all up to each individuals interpretation of what they believe is good enough off of strictly the eye test and gives us nothing that everyone can easily verify.

It was much more reasonable when you stated that the offense just needed to move the ball consistently and score points. I, personally, would have used a set of efficiency stats that would have been a little tougher to reach than what you originally presented as your criteria.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Yes. He did the whole game manager type thing against the cowboys and squeaked out a win mainly due to the defensive performance. His performance was not great. The cowboys defense kept baiting him into his tendencies and his accuracy was by far the worst since he took over. It just so happens that Dak played worse that day.

You will never convince me that Trey will lose his job if he is playing well. You provided no quantifiable criteria that Trey would need to meet in order to keep the job. Which conveniently leaves it all up to each individuals interpretation of what they believe is good enough off of strictly the eye test and gives us nothing that everyone can easily verify.

It was much more reasonable when you stated that the offense just needed to move the ball consistently and score points. I, personally, would have used a set of efficiency stats that would have been a little tougher to reach than what you originally presented as your criteria.

There is no quantifiable stat to reach lol. That's not how you evaluate a player. Which QB does the offense move the ball and score with more? That's question #1. Stats do not matter here.

If it's equal then there is a lot of nuance, and it doesn't come down to some numbers lol. What guys like Trey and Zach Wilson do is what I consider struggling. Grinding out a playoff win against a top defense as a rookie is very impressive. The greatest show on turf scored 17 points in the SB. You put very high expectations on Brock

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Yes. He did the whole game manager type thing against the cowboys and squeaked out a win mainly due to the defensive performance. His performance was not great. The cowboys defense kept baiting him into his tendencies and his accuracy was by far the worst since he took over. It just so happens that Dak played worse that day.

You will never convince me that Trey will lose his job if he is playing well. You provided no quantifiable criteria that Trey would need to meet in order to keep the job. Which conveniently leaves it all up to each individuals interpretation of what they believe is good enough off of strictly the eye test and gives us nothing that everyone can easily verify.

It was much more reasonable when you stated that the offense just needed to move the ball consistently and score points. I, personally, would have used a set of efficiency stats that would have been a little tougher to reach than what you originally presented as your criteria.

There is no quantifiable stat to reach lol. That's not how you evaluate a player. Which QB does the offense move the ball and score with more? That's question #1. Stats do not matter here.

If it's equal then there is a lot of nuance, and it doesn't come down to some numbers lol. What guys like Trey and Zach Wilson do is what I consider struggling. Grinding out a playoff win against a top defense as a rookie is very impressive. The greatest show on turf scored 17 points in the SB. You put very high expectations on Brock

No. I do not put high expectations on Brock. Those that believe Brock can maintain the level of play he had in his first 6 games are the ones putting high expectations on him.

If the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, it is suffice to say the efficiency stats would show us why. If a QB is completing 65+% of his passes, has a 5.0% or above TD%, has above a 40% 1st down rate as well as a 3rd down conversion rate above 45%, the offense is moving the chains and scoring points. If the offense is not moving the ball consistently and is struggling to put points on the board, the efficiency stats would demonstrate that as well.

One of the biggest efficiency stats that I would like to see improved this year is redzone offense. Our redzone offensive efficiency was still just as bad with Brock at QB as it was with Jimmy.

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Yeah, what if Brock comes back stronger? Beast mode Brock. 💪. Hope it all goes well. We were so robbed this year lol we had a dream team. Now things are all kind of up in the air.

Purdy will come back strong and vicious. He's a crazy competitor and he isn't going to roll over. I'm super curious to see how lance performs with him knowing Purdy will only be a game or two away from being able to be the starter again.

Lance will be under a microscope and a short leash because Kyle knows what he'll get from Purdy (given rehab goes well). I think Kyle and Purdy have a unique chemistry/alignment mentally regarding the game, and that's what will give him the starting job back unless Lance balls.

Even if Trey balls, the ultimate baller and Shanny's alter ego, also known as the Brock Party will be the starter once he's ready to go. Sorry, Trey - just be a good mentor for him and be ready incase an injury happens.

I think Brock is hands down the better QB. I also think Brock will be throwing in TC and will be outright named the starter.

I can also accept what I think might be just flat wrong, both in thinking Brock is better, and his timeline is not nearly as optimistic as I suspect.

Having said that, I also have watched the 49ers start slow year after year after year under Shanny. So even if the results are not Trey's fault, the opportunity to replace him after a few weeks will probably present it's self.

However, if Trey comes out on fire...or..umm....Balling.... I highly....super highly.... doubt he gets replaced. I am sure the 49ers WANT Trey to be the guy, they sunk a ton of draft capital in him. It is counter intuitive to think they spent a ton of picks on him, he comes out and...balls... and they replace him with Brock...for no reason? Give the entire collection of talking heads a reason to talk about what was spent on Trey? History has shown us that most front offices and coaches do the exact opposite, they don't even replace their "guy" when he sucks not until that player proves he really does not belong in the NFL.

Besides that, Trey might outright suck and Brock isn't healing or is never the same and we end up with Sam Darnold riding in to save the season... I think that is actually a better possibility them Shanny swapping a QB that is balling for no reason.

But isn't Sam Darnold that guy that sucked and proved that he really doesn't belong in the NFL, thus he was replaced? Now he is supposed to be some kind of savior? 🤣 You can' t make this s**t up.

"Besides that, Trey might outright suck and Brock isn't healing or is never the same and we end up with Sam Darnold riding in to save the season... I think that is actually a better possibility them Shanny swapping a QB that is balling for no reason."

I intended it to read, the probability of this vs the probability of that.

It is more likely that Darnold will end up saving the season, as improbable as that might be....is a more likely outcome then the odds Shanny will yank a high performance version of Lance just to play Brock with out a cause.

I just can't see Shanny benching a functioning QB let alone one that is balling.

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Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Yes. He did the whole game manager type thing against the cowboys and squeaked out a win mainly due to the defensive performance. His performance was not great. The cowboys defense kept baiting him into his tendencies and his accuracy was by far the worst since he took over. It just so happens that Dak played worse that day.

You will never convince me that Trey will lose his job if he is playing well. You provided no quantifiable criteria that Trey would need to meet in order to keep the job. Which conveniently leaves it all up to each individuals interpretation of what they believe is good enough off of strictly the eye test and gives us nothing that everyone can easily verify.

It was much more reasonable when you stated that the offense just needed to move the ball consistently and score points. I, personally, would have used a set of efficiency stats that would have been a little tougher to reach than what you originally presented as your criteria.

There is no quantifiable stat to reach lol. That's not how you evaluate a player. Which QB does the offense move the ball and score with more? That's question #1. Stats do not matter here.

If it's equal then there is a lot of nuance, and it doesn't come down to some numbers lol. What guys like Trey and Zach Wilson do is what I consider struggling. Grinding out a playoff win against a top defense as a rookie is very impressive. The greatest show on turf scored 17 points in the SB. You put very high expectations on Brock

No. I do not put high expectations on Brock. Those that believe Brock can maintain the level of play he had in his first 6 games are the ones putting high expectations on him.

If the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, it is suffice to say the efficiency stats would show us why. If a QB is completing 65+% of his passes, has a 5.0% or above TD%, has above a 40% 1st down rate as well as a 3rd down conversion rate above 45%, the offense is moving the chains and scoring points. If the offense is not moving the ball consistently and is struggling to put points on the board, the efficiency stats would demonstrate that as well.

One of the biggest efficiency stats that I would like to see improved this year is redzone offense. Our redzone offensive efficiency was still just as bad with Brock at QB as it was with Jimmy.

If you point to the Cowboys game for negatives then ya you probably have too high of expectations.

Yes usually the efficiency stats follow the player that moves the ball and scores more. Then there are guys like Alex and Jimmy that are very efficient, but make it a struggle to score 20+ points on loaded offenses. There isn't one thing we can point to and get our answer.

Here's a good level headed discussion on Purdys play against the cowboys. Krueger says "some of his best plays were the ones he decided to just throw it away", and he's right. Goes down as an incompletion in the box score, but it's another example of why you have to watch the game and not just rely on numbers alone

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Purdy's elbow injury is the exact opposite of unfortunate for Trey. It means he gets another shot to prove he is the guy. If Trey plays poorly, Purdy will get another opportunity. If Trey plays well, Purdy will have to wait patiently. A lot of fans on here are demonstrating just how scared they are for Trey to have another chance. Its kind of weird because the best case scenario for this organization is for both QB's to play well so that we can get something significant in return for one of them.

I am scared of Trey starting, but it's because I'm scared he's going to drop games and we miss out on HFA again. Who knows how the Cowboys game goes in Dallas. I will be relieved if he does play well because he's looked bad against bad teams so far

Well then you should be hoping and praying that Brock can come back well before the season starts.

Others in here have expressed that they want Trey benched no matter how well he is playing as soon as Brock is healthy. That to me sounds like they are afraid that Trey may actually get better and they can't have that since they already chose their allegiance.

I have no allegiance. Trey is worthless to this organization if he never gets another opportunity again. In fact, he would become a sunk cost. That is not what is best for this franchise. If Brock isn't healthy enough to start the season, Trey WILL get his opportunity. If he plays poorly , Brock will take over as soon as he is healthy. If Trey plays well, their is absolutely NO reason to bench him.

I think anyone saying Brock should go back in no matter what Trey does is just trying to get a rise out of people.

Trey has do a lot to make people think we shouldn't move forward with Brock. Trey needs to play well, and Brock has defined what playing well is. That's the level of play to reach in order to keep the job

Do you honestly believe that even Brock can maintain that level of play? 7.65% TD rate? I mean what exactly are your criteria?

I love stats too but they're not everything man. His TD rate wasn't why I thought he played well, I honestly didn't know his TD rate until you told me. He can maintain his level without the same TD rate

I asked you what your criteria is.

My #1 criteria is moving the ball consistently and scoring points. All of those Purdy TD passes could have been runs and he'd have a TD rate of 0. I don't care, as long as the offense is moving consistently and scoring.

If we end up with 2 QBs that are doing this then it gets more nuanced, but that is pretty rare. There's usually one QB on the roster that moves the ball and scores more consistently than the others

So as long as the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, Trey would keep the job? That seems reasonable and fair. But I have a feeling there are some fans here that think defferently, more extreme than that.

No, if that happens then the nuance comes in. How are we moving the ball with Trey? What was his competition? Which style will play better against playoff defenses? There will be a lot that goes into evaluating these 2 if Trey comes out scoring 30+ a game.

Trey has no control over who our opponents are and you don't pull a guy if he is playing well. So what you are really saying is if he struggles against better competition like Purdy did against the cowboys in the playoffs than we need to put Purdy back in?

He has no control but you do have to evaluate the competition he's played. You won't make it very far as a Gm rewarding guys for looking good against garbage.

Brock did not struggle lol. If that's struggling then Brady has won a couple SBs while "struggling". Eli Beat Brady while struggling lol. It's the playoffs against a top 4 defense. It's sad that you try to put him down for that game

Yes. He did the whole game manager type thing against the cowboys and squeaked out a win mainly due to the defensive performance. His performance was not great. The cowboys defense kept baiting him into his tendencies and his accuracy was by far the worst since he took over. It just so happens that Dak played worse that day.

You will never convince me that Trey will lose his job if he is playing well. You provided no quantifiable criteria that Trey would need to meet in order to keep the job. Which conveniently leaves it all up to each individuals interpretation of what they believe is good enough off of strictly the eye test and gives us nothing that everyone can easily verify.

It was much more reasonable when you stated that the offense just needed to move the ball consistently and score points. I, personally, would have used a set of efficiency stats that would have been a little tougher to reach than what you originally presented as your criteria.

There is no quantifiable stat to reach lol. That's not how you evaluate a player. Which QB does the offense move the ball and score with more? That's question #1. Stats do not matter here.

If it's equal then there is a lot of nuance, and it doesn't come down to some numbers lol. What guys like Trey and Zach Wilson do is what I consider struggling. Grinding out a playoff win against a top defense as a rookie is very impressive. The greatest show on turf scored 17 points in the SB. You put very high expectations on Brock

No. I do not put high expectations on Brock. Those that believe Brock can maintain the level of play he had in his first 6 games are the ones putting high expectations on him.

If the offense is moving the ball consistently and scoring points, it is suffice to say the efficiency stats would show us why. If a QB is completing 65+% of his passes, has a 5.0% or above TD%, has above a 40% 1st down rate as well as a 3rd down conversion rate above 45%, the offense is moving the chains and scoring points. If the offense is not moving the ball consistently and is struggling to put points on the board, the efficiency stats would demonstrate that as well.

One of the biggest efficiency stats that I would like to see improved this year is redzone offense. Our redzone offensive efficiency was still just as bad with Brock at QB as it was with Jimmy.

If you point to the Cowboys game for negatives then ya you probably have too high of expectations.

Yes usually the efficiency stats follow the player that moves the ball and scores more. Then there are guys like Alex and Jimmy that are very efficient, but make it a struggle to score 20+ points on loaded offenses. There isn't one thing we can point to and get our answer.

Just simply pointing out that Brock isn't godlike that some on this board believe he is. He has plain as day tendencies and real limitations. And expecting him to maintain his level of play that he had through his 1st 6 games when his 7th game was mediocre and his 8th game ended in disaster is a genuine pause for concern with the hype surrounding him. I hope he comes back even stronger, more competitive and more driven. But if the team is winning and the offense is highly efficient, he will have to wait for his opportunity.

So what you are saying than is Trey needs to run an offense that establishes and maintains an average of 35 ppg? If so, again, you are putting a very absurd expectation on Brock as well. Because to maintain that over the course of an entire season has only been done 7 times in its history with no repeats and has only been accomplished twice in the past decade.