QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
If anyone is interested - see below for the link to a podcast that features Dirty Purdys parents! They're talking about the last 12 month and it came out today.

https://sportsspectrum.com/podcast/2023/03/17/podcast-shawn-carrie-brock-purdy-49ers/

brock did one with this guy too a few weeks ago.

Awesome interview from a parents view. Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
I saw an article, I think posted somewhere here on the zone, that the repair isn't what actually makes the arm stronger but it is the targeted rehab where so much effort is concentrated on that arm. The muscles get stronger, thus better arm strength, because of so much more exercise of the arm/shoulder muscles during rehab of the injury. Which makes sense. So in three months Mr. Brock can start making that arm a rocket launcher...

That's what I've heard from the doctors that have done interviews about it.

essentially what happens is and/or key things from the surgery:
- his tissue quality was all healthy and showed no signs of degeneration (that's ideal and best case scenario)
- first 4-6 weeks he doesn't do much but work on range of motion etc while letting it heal up and getting mobility back.
- after 6 weeks he should be starting strengthening.
- immobility is only really the first 4-6 weeks
- after three months, he should be able to work on a throwing progression program.
- the focus and rehab on his throwing arm usually ends up benefiting a player with a stronger arm with more velocity.
- as long as symptoms don't develop and everything progresses normally, he has a good chance of starting week 1.
- he will participate in camp but it won't be traditional style.
- exactly 6 months from the day of his surgery is the first game of the season.

i hope that helps out some folks understand the situation better. Still a lot of time and rehab left but I'll remain optimistic he will be QB1 on day 1.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
If anyone is interested - see below for the link to a podcast that features Dirty Purdys parents! They're talking about the last 12 month and it came out today.

https://sportsspectrum.com/podcast/2023/03/17/podcast-shawn-carrie-brock-purdy-49ers/

brock did one with this guy too a few weeks ago.

Awesome interview from a parents view. Thanks for posting.

Hahaha his dad is always an emotional wreck about his kids, in the best way. "Real men cry" hahah he's a good and loving parent.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Watching Trey and Brock is like night and day. Trey looks so uncomfortable at all times. He was not ready

Well yeah Brock had 4 years of college experience while Trey had one full year. He still didn't look lost out there though.

The college experience helps a little, but every team would just grab a 4 year starter and be set if it were that easy. Brock is different

The problem is there are very few 4 year starters anymore. The recent trend has been 2 years as a starter and then enter the draft. Now you have transfer portal that allows players to jump to another school and a new system if they aren't starting.

The result is we have QBs that think they're ready after a couple years when in fact they really aren't. Teams ar egoing to have to be more careful and more patient when they draft these players that aren't that experienced.

The more things change, the more they stay the same..... or does it?

Players chase the money, they don't want to be in college any longer then they have to be. I wonder if the money that is now getting into college sports has any effect on this.

Tim Tebow and Jason Cambell are the only QBs that come to mind that stayed in school with legit NFL money on the line. I am sure I am wrong on this and just can't think of others that have done it.

I wonder if eventually we will see college level players with big enough endorsements that we end up with dudes who just stay an extra year or two.

Right now the highest paid NIL is 2.3 million per year to CJ stroud. A 5th round pick earns 3.64m over 4 years. Right now the cap is really wide, but it might not always be.

Matt Leinart stayed in school.

On another note, I'd never know what day or year it is anytime Trey Lance is discussed. There's no new info, no new stories, just rehashed points for now the 3rd year. Even if I weren't a Trey fan, I hope he pans out. This place will be miserable if he doesn't. Somehow fans are turning having potentially 2 legit QBs with a 3rd QB trending up into a negative

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Matt Leinart stayed in school.

On another note, I'd never know what day or year it is anytime Trey Lance is discussed. There's no new info, no new stories, just rehashed points for now the 3rd year. Even if I weren't a Trey fan, I hope he pans out. This place will be miserable if he doesn't. Somehow fans are turning having potentially 2 legit QBs with a 3rd QB trending up into a negative

The Lance thread is very toxic. If I go in there and talk about my concerns with him, even though I Think he will be a good qb in this league at worst, they freak out. I don't understand it.

yesterday I posted about how Lance has only started 30 games in his life (varsity highschool + college + nfl starts) and that when you factor in his competition, the extremely run dominant offenses he's played in (for example, he threw 11 touchdowns in highschool), and overall lack of experience - it's very concerning for me.
He also played at a powerhouse in clllege were they've won like 10/13 of the last national championships (something like that) - so he was a cog in the machine and didn't have to elevate anything. it's not that I think he CANT be what some hope, I just don't see any reason why he would either, since he never had to.

id genuinely be happy to be wrong about this. Lance is a human being first and I don't want him to fail at all. He's a super sharp and hard working young man.

tbe question I also ask myself is "why did Kyle want him over someone like fields? What did he see that I'm not?". I come to the conclusion that they know more than I do, no doubt, but Kyle sucks at drafting QBs. Lol the best qb he's ever drafted was Cousins and passed up Mahommes, Watson, Josh Allen, Lamar jackson etc. he's amazing at working, developing and getting the most out of QBs. He doesn't have a good track record of drafting anything more than average to pretty good QB wise.

if we didn't have Purdy, I would be fine giving him starts, but doesn't make sense to me to not give Purdy every chance to start once he is healthy - which if he has no hiccups, could very well be week 1.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The Lance thread is very toxic. If I go in there and talk about my concerns with him, even though I Think he will be a good qb I'm this league at worst, they freak out. I don't understand it.

My issue with the Lance thread is not when people say "Lance needs to improve on ____."

It's the people who have made up their minds on what Lance is or will be after 3.1 games played. People like that deserve to be freaked out on.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
My issue with the Lance thread is not when people say "Lance needs to improve on ____."

It's the people who have made up their minds on what Lance is or will be after 3.1 games played. People like that deserve to be freaked out on.

I don't understand why though. Not everyone expected him to be this generational guy. I would understand this more if posters switched from expecting Lance to be that guy to not being that guy after just 3 games.

For the posters who never seen it from him from the beginning it's more than just 3.1 games.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
My issue with the Lance thread is not when people say "Lance needs to improve on ____."

It's the people who have made up their minds on what Lance is or will be after 3.1 games played. People like that deserve to be freaked out on.

I don't understand why though. Not everyone expected him to be this generational guy. I would understand this more if posters switched from expecting Lance to be that guy to not being that guy after just 3 games.

For the posters who never seen it from him from the beginning it's more than just 3.1 games.

There isn't anything that Lance has show that he does well enough that he doesn't need to improve on. Why is that an issue? The same could be said for like 99.9% of QBs. Everyone has stuff they need to improve.

all we can do is make assessments off of his film/practice reports. Anything else is blind optimism.

Like Krizay said, not everyone thinks he is the second coming of jesus and don't understand why he was drafted over guys like fields, once again - not being blindly optimistic. Not everyone thinks he is or will be a superstar. The same way we all give our takes on any player in a draft. I go against my own perspective and remain more optimistic than I would if he wasn't a 49er. I want him to be a superstar, I just don't know what everyone is seeing that makes them think he will, that's all.

i agree that we can't say for sure what he is or isn't. Doesn't mean we have to believe he is a stud at everything and going to blossom into a superstar.

Edit: my bad SteveWallaceHelmet. - I misread your post initially. Ignore the first part of my post. Lol

I'm just still so impressed that he had the number one passer rating as a starter not to mention we were first in points scored with him starting at quarterback. I believe at 34 points a game. That is ridiculously good. He also didn't have Deebo for a few games. Hopefully Lance improves quite a bit and if not we have an excellent quarterback waiting to take over

Originally posted by elguapo:
I'm just still so impressed that he had the number one passer rating as a starter not to mention we were first in points scored with him starting at quarterback. I believe at 34 points a game. That is ridiculously good. He also didn't have Deebo for a few games. Hopefully Lance improves quite a bit and if not we have an excellent quarterback waiting to take over

He ELEVATED our offense in every single category and was #1 in just about everything.

that's a FQB!! I just rewatched every play of Lance in the bears game and he was awful. Purdy always averaged 30+ and Lance dropped 10. The downpour didn't even really start until the fourth. That's with him being the starter and all the training camp reps.

Purdy did all that with essentially no first team reps in camp or all year, just… unheard of. That's special.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The Lance thread is very toxic. If I go in there and talk about my concerns with him, even though I Think he will be a good qb in this league at worst, they freak out. I don't understand it.

yesterday I posted about how Lance has only started 30 games in his life (varsity highschool + college + nfl starts) and that when you factor in his competition, the extremely run dominant offenses he's played in (for example, he threw 11 touchdowns in highschool), and overall lack of experience - it's very concerning for me.
He also played at a powerhouse in clllege were they've won like 10/13 of the last national championships (something like that) - so he was a cog in the machine and didn't have to elevate anything. it's not that I think he CANT be what some hope, I just don't see any reason why he would either, since he never had to.

id genuinely be happy to be wrong about this. Lance is a human being first and I don't want him to fail at all. He's a super sharp and hard working young man.

tbe question I also ask myself is "why did Kyle want him over someone like fields? What did he see that I'm not?". I come to the conclusion that they know more than I do, no doubt, but Kyle sucks at drafting QBs. Lol the best qb he's ever drafted was Cousins and passed up Mahommes, Watson, Josh Allen, Lamar jackson etc. he's amazing at working, developing and getting the most out of QBs. He doesn't have a good track record of drafting anything more than average to pretty good QB wise.

if we didn't have Purdy, I would be fine giving him starts, but doesn't make sense to me to not give Purdy every chance to start once he is healthy - which if he has no hiccups, could very well be week 1.

Kyle never passed on Josh Allen. Also hard to criticize not taking Jackson when you just traded for Jimmy and paid him.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Kyle never passed on Josh Allen. Also hard to criticize not taking Jackson when you just traded for Jimmy and paid him.

I made a mistake there - you're right. I mixed that one up, forgot which draft he went in. Regardless, everything else is true and remains the same. I merged the 2017/2018 drafts
Mentally

i truly was shocked when we took Thomas when all we had was Hoyer. I wanted Watson bad (thank god we didn't in hindsight) but The fact he didn't think mahommes, Watson, etc we're good enough to and/or than cousins - makes me sad. Lol

Originally posted by krizay:
I don't understand why though. Not everyone expected him to be this generational guy. I would understand this more if posters switched from expecting Lance to be that guy to not being that guy after just 3 games.

For the posters who never seen it from him from the beginning it's more than just 3.1 games.

Yah it's about being right in the evaluation above all else, even team success.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The Lance thread is very toxic. If I go in there and talk about my concerns with him, even though I Think he will be a good qb I'm this league at worst, they freak out. I don't understand it.

My issue with the Lance thread is not when people say "Lance needs to improve on ____."

It's the people who have made up their minds on what Lance is or will be after 3.1 games played. People like that deserve to be freaked out on.

Bingo

True Statement, young QBs suffer in the NFL.

Also True Statement, Trey Lance is a better performing young QB then Steve Young was.

We knew Trey was a project, the whole plan from day one was to sit him behind Jimmy G and develop him.

I really did not like changing the offense last year, and am disappointed that Trey does not yet appear to be able to run the normal Shanny offense...but we don't have enough fingers and toes to count how Many offenses have changed to accommodate young QBs. Look no further then Bill Walsh abandoning the shotgun for Joe Montana.

At the end of the day.... we might very well be looking at a Dan Marino (hot rookie) vs Steve Young (developed rookie) like situation. I am not trying to say they will be HOF QBS, just that players develop at different rates...especially when they are young.

Of course I can't help but mention... Rookie Brock had more TDs per game, more TDs per throw, more Yards per attempt, less INTs per attempt and more Throwing First Downs per game then rookie Marino...oh and obviously a better QB rating...

ANDDDDD

You can say the same thing about Rookie Trey Lance over Steve Young (Steve is Alex Smith like as a rookie).

We can't even guess what we have at QB with any certainty. Even coaches in the NFL are wrong on the regular when it comes to young players. Some times it just clicks a few seasons down the road and you have a Steve Young, or Alex Smith, or Rich Gannon.

Lance is light years ahead of those 3 guys at this point in his career, for all we know Lance comes rolling out like Aaron Rodgers did when he hit year 3.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I made a mistake there - you're right. I mixed that one up, forgot which draft he went in. Regardless, everything else is true and remains the same. I merged the 2017/2018 drafts
Mentally

i truly was shocked when we took Thomas when all we had was Hoyer. I wanted Watson bad (thank god we didn't in hindsight) but The fact he didn't think mahommes, Watson, etc we're good enough to and/or than cousins - makes me sad. Lol

Mahomes was not a top 10 pick on most boards. I remember a lot had him late 1st/early 2nd. Clearly the evaluators had him wrong including the 9ers.

Not that Mel Kiper is some genius but read his review of the Chiefs draft that year.