QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We can agree to disagree. With no one winning on routes all over the field, it's a lil harder to throw with anticipation. Where are you putting it, if they are all covered up? Who is calling plays to put your squad at an advantage? Are they on the KS level?

Can you show me WR/TE/RBs not winning on routes or no one ever being schemed open? So his whole career he's just been that unlucky? Nah.

This is the stuff I'm talking about, when I say he's not a rhythm thrower. Timing/footwork is so important when it comes to accuracy.

Something that Sam Darnold and the @Panthers coaching staff should be taking a very deep look at & figuring out answers to

This is one play of 6+ that look like this… pic.twitter.com/zw127k6c7l

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) October 26, 2021

Throwing off platform, scrambling, bootlegs anything that's not timing related in the pocket stuff is what he's "better" at.

it's very similar to Zach Wilson. He has the same issues. People love to talk about mechanics and throwing motion, Wilson imo has very good mechanics (as a thrower) and a tight throwing motion. He's completed 55% of his balls. Being accurate is about footwork being married to the play. Timing. That s**t only improves by playing more football. Repetition. Sam's got plenty of that under his belt (and still hasn't improved) Lance does not.

Exactly. Both have the same issues. The difference is 1 has 4 games under his belt and has time to improve. The other has 55 games under his belt and has shown little sign of improvement.

I don't know why ppl say little sign of improvement.

Last year was his best rating, highest TD percent, lowest INT percent, best YPA, of career. Set career highs across the board.

He can also look at that Purdy tape, see how it was done..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Faithful6 interpreting my post incorrectly yet again? What a shocker.

The contradiction is that you're closed minded to the possibility of Trey showing he's worthy of starting over Purdy. You said it's Purdy's team and that's not changing.

While at the same time, you're telling people to be open minded about the possibility of Sam outplaying Trey.

That's not just your opinion on how much you value each player, because I see nothing wrong with believing Darnold is a better player than Trey…. the issue is you're not applying the same rules to each QB.

To use your words, "If you don't think the better QB should start until Brock is back then you really don't care about the team.".

So using your own comment, you could say that YOU don't care about the team since you would start Purdy over Trey regardless if Trey proves himself worthy of the starting position… because it's no longer Trey's team and it's impossible in your mind for him to be better than Purdy.

I think he's saying he doesn't feel TL will pull that off as his opinion

WB doesn't even feel there will be a comp in offseason, or a possibility of such, despite neutrals like NFL.com saying so
I am open minded to a lot of possibilities this offseason I see three potential starting QBs on opening day, maybe more than 3..

It's hard for me to ignore what you just did. Pretending I'm saying that fans should value each player on the team the same is a lie and you know it. Admit it. Do you understand what the strawman fallacy is? Because you're completely fine misinterpreting my posts on purpose. You and Furlow do this so often and it's enough already. I'm seriously tired of defending positions that I don't hold… because of you.

So please stop replying to my posts if you can't a have good faith argument.

As for your other comment. I'm not even going to begin to explain for the 3rd or 4th time what I meant. Maybe if someone else asks I will.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We can agree to disagree. With no one winning on routes all over the field, it's a lil harder to throw with anticipation. Where are you putting it, if they are all covered up? Who is calling plays to put your squad at an advantage? Are they on the KS level?

Can you show me WR/TE/RBs not winning on routes or no one ever being schemed open? So his whole career he's just been that unlucky? Nah.

This is the stuff I'm talking about, when I say he's not a rhythm thrower. Timing/footwork is so important when it comes to accuracy.

Something that Sam Darnold and the @Panthers coaching staff should be taking a very deep look at & figuring out answers to

This is one play of 6+ that look like this… pic.twitter.com/zw127k6c7l

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) October 26, 2021

Throwing off platform, scrambling, bootlegs anything that's not timing related in the pocket stuff is what he's "better" at.

it's very similar to Zach Wilson. He has the same issues. People love to talk about mechanics and throwing motion, Wilson imo has very good mechanics (as a thrower) and a tight throwing motion. He's completed 55% of his balls. Being accurate is about footwork being married to the play. Timing. That s**t only improves by playing more football. Repetition. Sam's got plenty of that under his belt (and still hasn't improved) Lance does not.

Exactly. Both have the same issues. The difference is 1 has 4 games under his belt and has time to improve. The other has 55 games under his belt and has shown little sign of improvement.

I don't know why ppl say little sign of improvement.

Last year was his best rating, highest TD percent, lowest INT percent, best YPA, of career. Set career highs across the board.

He can also look at that Purdy tape, see how it was done..

But I was told the other day that we cannot use stats. The film is more important and so is strength of opponent.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
But I was told the other day that we cannot use stats. The film is more important and so is strength of opponent.

Not sure who you been talking to.. I thought you were THE Stat Man.. what happened.. who harmed you?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Faithful6 interpreting my post incorrectly yet again? What a shocker.

The contradiction is that you're closed minded to the possibility of Trey showing he's worthy of starting over Purdy. You said it's Purdy's team and that's not changing.

While at the same time, you're telling people to be open minded about the possibility of Sam outplaying Trey.

That's not just your opinion on how much you value each player, because I see nothing wrong with believing Darnold is a better player than Trey…. the issue is you're not applying the same rules to each QB.

To use your words, "If you don't think the better QB should start until Brock is back then you really don't care about the team.".

So using your own comment, you could say that YOU don't care about the team since you would start Purdy over Trey regardless if Trey proves himself worthy of the starting position… because it's no longer Trey's team and it's impossible in your mind for him to be better than Purdy.

You are building a straw man. Nobody thinks that if Trey proves……again proves it, then yes he should start. I do not think that's likely, I don't see how anybody could.

Bahahaha the old "straw man" comment when you know you've been figured out. Typical rebuttal.

Charlie. I literally used your own words. You're the one that said it's impossible that Trey proves he can become the starter. Did you not? Then you said NY doesn't care about what's best for the team since it's possible that Sam outplays Trey. You can't have that opinion only apply to some and not all. It has to apply to Trey which 100% contradicts your statement.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
With Alex the coaching impact of going to JH was night and day difference..

Now Darnold goes from Gase, Rhule, Wilks who is a D specialist in an interim capacity, to Shanny. That's going from a Banquet TV dinner to the House of Prime Rib.

Gase/Rhule were actually good offensive coaches. Rhule won a ton of football in college and got the most out of his guys. NFL teams wanted him for years. Gase won a SB and Manning talks about him in high regards. For sure not a good HC.

Joe Brady was his OC his first yr in NC. He was highly regarded in the NFL and helped Joe Burrow a s**t ton at LSU.

say what you will it hasn't been all trash for Sam.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
With Alex the coaching impact of going to JH was night and day difference..

Now Darnold goes from Gase, Rhule, Wilks who is a D specialist in an interim capacity, to Shanny. That's going from a Banquet TV dinner to the House of Prime Rib.

Gase/Rhule were actually good offensive coaches. Rhule won a ton of football in college and got the most out of his guys. NFL teams wanted him for years. Gase won a SB and Manning talks about him in high regards. For sure not a good HC.

Joe Brady was his OC his first yr in NC. He was highly regarded in the NFL and helped Joe Burrow a s**t ton at LSU.

say what you will it hasn't been all trash for Sam.

come on man now you pumping up Gase/Rhule compared to Shanny? imagine someone posting we should hire those guys in the KS thread.. and your reaction to it.

Sam Darnold's stats in week 18 vs NO were 5 of 15 for 43 yards with 0 TD's and 2 INT's and a 2.8 passer rating.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
come on man now you pumping up Gase/Rhule compared to Shanny? imagine someone posting we should hire those guys in the KS thread.. and your reaction to it.

No I'm saying they weren't as bad as you proclaim. I'll take Peyton Manning's word over yours. I also never said kyle wouldn't help Sam. Don't create some false narrative s**t again.

I don't know how many more times I have to explain to you the stuff he's not good as is stuff HE has to work at. Footwork, depth of drops, timing. That's Sam's responsibility to figure out, not the HC of the football team. Especially when we're talking about QB3.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sam Darnold's stats in week 18 vs NO were 5 of 15 for 43 yards with 0 TD's and 2 INT's and a 2.8 passer rating.

But they won lol?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
come on man now you pumping up Gase/Rhule compared to Shanny? imagine someone posting we should hire those guys in the KS thread.. and your reaction to it.

No I'm saying they weren't as bad as you proclaim. I'll take Peyton Manning's word over yours. I also never said kyle wouldn't help Sam. Don't create some false narrative s**t again.

I don't know how many more times I have to explain to you the stuff he's not good as is stuff HE has to work at. Footwork, depth of drops, timing. That's Sam's responsibility to figure out, not the HC of the football team. Especially when we're talking about QB3.

Fair enough, he has some habits to work on / correct, however clearly KS wanted him on our roster and sees something here.. and even if the mechanics aren't pitch perfect, if he brings his play from last year with a much, much improved cast around him and coaching, play calls, etc.

Sam Darnold's best games were against DET and TB. DET's pass defense was one of the worst in the league last season and TB's defense fell off a cliff the latter part of the season. Giving up 30+ in 5 of their last 6 games. The only game TB didn't give up atleast 30 points in those final 6 games was against the cards who were down to, I think, their 4th QB of the season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sam Darnold's stats in week 18 vs NO were 5 of 15 for 43 yards with 0 TD's and 2 INT's and a 2.8 passer rating.

But they won lol?

Yup. They won 10-7. 🤣

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sam Darnold's best games were against DET and TB. DET's pass defense was one of the worst in the league last season and TB's defense fell off a cliff the latter part of the season. Giving up 30+ in 5 of their last 6 games. The only game TB didn't give up atleast 30 points in those final 6 games was against the cards who were down to, I think, their 4th QB of the season.

KS wanted him and offered up to $11.5m.. KS one of the biggest Darnold backers around he's been interested for years reportedly. Just need to ask yourself why that is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sam Darnold's best games were against DET and TB. DET's pass defense was one of the worst in the league last season and TB's defense fell off a cliff the latter part of the season. Giving up 30+ in 5 of their last 6 games. The only game TB didn't give up atleast 30 points in those final 6 games was against the cards who were down to, I think, their 4th QB of the season.

KS wanted him and offered up to $11.5m.. KS one of the biggest Darnold backers around he's been interested for years reportedly. Just need to ask yourself why that is.

The gtd money is what is important. We cut Sudfeld and he was gtd 2 million last season. So I wouldn't put too much into that "potential" contract stuff.

Also, Kyle has 0 to do with the contract itself.