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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I honestly think the reason why super athletic QBs aren't great passers, and they're usually African-Americans, are cause their coaches in highschool and college don't hone their passing skills the same as they do non athletic guys who have to rely on passing. They're just depending on them running and throwing wide open passes because teams are hesitant of the player running. That doesn't work as well in the pros unless you're a super freak like Lamar, and even then that has its limitations.

these young super athletic QBs growing up need to tell these coaches no, hone their passing. That way they're TRUE dual threats.

i assess a qb by saying "if I don't run him at all, like a traditional qb, can he stand in the pocket and pass the ball properly?" If not, I don't want them. Because the run stuff will eventually fade and/or wear them down. They need to get better coaching like the non athletic guys do so they're super QBs.

historically, most super athletic QBs struggle to get even 60% completion. That's bad and it's a Trend for a reason. It'll eventually change but I believe that's a huge problem with them coming into the pros.

I think the reason is because they are so naturally gifted and the best athletes on the field that they don't work on the QBing aspects.

Then when they do, their body and mind aren't trained for it. So even though they work on it, when bullets start flying they resort back to what they know.

That is part of the reason I don't believe in QBs fixing accuracy once they get into the league. When the bullets start flying, your footwork, mechanics or "flight" instincts resort back to what they know.

It seemed like Trey's showcase was a good example. Game was close, he was struggling passing went back to running.

I don't think race has anything to do with it. I also don't put the blame on the coaches. A lot of the time it's the QB running. When the coaches are the ones calling it, there's usually a good reason why. Remember they have a job to do too. Families to feed

What's the point in practicing then? If players are incapable of improving once they get into the league what's the point of practicing? If they are just going to do whatever their natural ability dictates "When the bullets start flying" then why practice at all? This kind of narrative comes from people who've been posting on this forum for well over a decade and claim to watch NFL football and sports, in general, is baffling. It's like yall have never watched a player progress through their career and unable to see when their game changes. We have soooooo many examples in 49ers history. Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Byant Young, Derrick Deese the list goes on and on of guys who left the league a very different product than how they entered it and players' styles change completely over the course of their careers regularly in the NFL.
Originally posted by WINiner:
What's the point in practicing then? If players are incapable of improving once they get into the league what's the point of practicing? If they are just going to do whatever their natural ability dictates "When the bullets start flying" then why practice at all? This kind of narrative comes from people who've been posting on this forum for well over a decade and claim to watch NFL football and sports, in general, is baffling. It's like yall have never watched a player progress through their career and unable to see when their game changes. We have soooooo many examples in 49ers history. Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Byant Young, Derrick Deese the list goes on and on of guys who left the league a very different product than how they entered it and players' styles change completely over the course of their careers regularly in the NFL.

I am talking about QBs and accuracy you are talking about practice in general.

By the time a QB gets to the NFL throwing should be natural. You shouldn't have to think about throwing. You have waaaaaay more things to worry about.

Practicing can improve your QB play but not necessarily your accuracy. Yes your completion % can be improved but that's not the same thing as accuracy.

So yes practice can help a QB and other players. No one ever said that's not the case. IMO accuracy isn't one of them things that is usually drastically improves. Josh Allen IMO lone exception
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by WINiner:
What's the point in practicing then? If players are incapable of improving once they get into the league what's the point of practicing? If they are just going to do whatever their natural ability dictates "When the bullets start flying" then why practice at all? This kind of narrative comes from people who've been posting on this forum for well over a decade and claim to watch NFL football and sports, in general, is baffling. It's like yall have never watched a player progress through their career and unable to see when their game changes. We have soooooo many examples in 49ers history. Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Byant Young, Derrick Deese the list goes on and on of guys who left the league a very different product than how they entered it and players' styles change completely over the course of their careers regularly in the NFL.

I am talking about QBs and accuracy you are talking about practice in general.

By the time a QB gets to the NFL throwing should be natural. You shouldn't have to think about throwing. You have waaaaaay more things to worry about.

Practicing can improve your QB play but not necessarily your accuracy. Yes your completion % can be improved but that's not the same thing as accuracy.

So yes practice can help a QB and other players. No one ever said that's not the case. IMO accuracy isn't one of them things that is usually drastically improves. Josh Allen IMO lone exception

What a load of bull s**t. Anything that can be practiced can be improved.

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/03/17/quarterback-traits-the-attainable-versus-the-inherent/

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/1430/4-drills-to-help-qbs-sharpen-accuracy

https://footballadvantage.com/quarterback-drills/

https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/qb-drills-improve-accuracy-arm-strength/
[ Edited by SLCNiner on Apr 1, 2023 at 11:25 AM ]
Originally posted by krizay:
I am talking about QBs and accuracy you are talking about practice in general.

By the time a QB gets to the NFL throwing should be natural. You shouldn't have to think about throwing. You have waaaaaay more things to worry about.

Practicing can improve your QB play but not necessarily your accuracy. Yes your completion % can be improved but that's not the same thing as accuracy.

So yes practice can help a QB and other players. No one ever said that's not the case. IMO accuracy isn't one of them things that is usually drastically improves. Josh Allen IMO lone exception

Tom Brady said that when his mechanics got off even a little bit, his accuracy dropped off as well. That is why he spent time every off-season going back and re-tuning his throwing mechanics, including his footwork.

I will grant that there have been a significant number of examples of guys who just never did to the point of hitting that slant route without forcing the receiver to adjust his route. The completion percentage is just one of the measurements. YAC is a function of putting the ball in just the right spot to allow the receiver to run.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I want some excellent rehab updates for his prognosis long term but simultaneously that he won't be ready and 100% until miidseason which gives Trey 8-10 games and far less than what Josh Allen got (two seasons) before he stopped sucking and became elite. After what Shanalynch said I'm really hoping Brock is not ready by Week 1 lol

Careful what you wish for. The traits that make you think Trey has a higher ceiling than Brock could make you think he has a higher ceiling than Brady. With the big/fast/throw hard criteria we could probably say a lot of TEs have a higher ceiling than Brady too.

We all know that's not how it works. Trey has a looooong way to go in becoming a QB and Kyle and John obviously know this.
The absolute ONLY way I want Brock sitting on the bench for any game is if he isn't healthy. Other than that, I don't want to see any other qb on the field.

and hoping someone's injury gets worse or heals way slower than it should so he can start, is odd and not cool.

if you want Lance to play then hope he has an amazing camp and forces kyle to make a tough decision. What is up with people wanting Lance to be given everything. Some guy in the Trey said earlier that Trey wasn't given QB2 his rookie year or QB1 his second year.. lol I didn't even respond.

im not saying it was the wrong by Kyle to do that, but don't deny it happen, you know?
[ Edited by tankle104 on Apr 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM ]
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by WINiner:
What's the point in practicing then? If players are incapable of improving once they get into the league what's the point of practicing? If they are just going to do whatever their natural ability dictates "When the bullets start flying" then why practice at all? This kind of narrative comes from people who've been posting on this forum for well over a decade and claim to watch NFL football and sports, in general, is baffling. It's like yall have never watched a player progress through their career and unable to see when their game changes. We have soooooo many examples in 49ers history. Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Byant Young, Derrick Deese the list goes on and on of guys who left the league a very different product than how they entered it and players' styles change completely over the course of their careers regularly in the NFL.

I am talking about QBs and accuracy you are talking about practice in general.

By the time a QB gets to the NFL throwing should be natural. You shouldn't have to think about throwing. You have waaaaaay more things to worry about.

Practicing can improve your QB play but not necessarily your accuracy. Yes your completion % can be improved but that's not the same thing as accuracy.

So yes practice can help a QB and other players. No one ever said that's not the case. IMO accuracy isn't one of them things that is usually drastically improves. Josh Allen IMO lone exception

What a load of bull s**t. Anything that can be practiced can be improved.

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/03/17/quarterback-traits-the-attainable-versus-the-inherent/

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/1430/4-drills-to-help-qbs-sharpen-accuracy

https://footballadvantage.com/quarterback-drills/

https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/qb-drills-improve-accuracy-arm-strength/

Yes lower level players. I think ive said it enough times. ONCE YOU GET TO THE PROS

Not only that! But it's MY OPINION! Not trying to pass it off as scientific fact

EDIT: should say by the time you get to the pros
[ Edited by krizay on Apr 2, 2023 at 3:12 AM ]
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Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...

They just want Lance to work out so bad that they're willing to diminish anything and everything that could be an obstacle for him. lol it's very odd. I honestly don't know how anyone isn't drooling over what Purdy did for us last season. Absolutely incredible

I'm critical of Lance but it's all based on what he has and hasn't done yet, while being clear that he can improve, I just don't have faith in the guy to every become elite in this league. All while accepting I could be wrong. Lol
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...

They just want Lance to work out so bad that they're willing to diminish anything and everything that could be an obstacle for him. lol it's very odd. I honestly don't know how anyone isn't drooling over what Purdy did for us last season. Absolutely incredible

I'm critical of Lance but it's all based on what he has and hasn't done yet, while being clear that he can improve, I just don't have faith in the guy to every become elite in this league. All while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

I like what he did during the regular season games. Dallas he looked unspectacular and contained. Only 19 points scored. I did not drool over that performance but was pleased our D is so good and that Dak is Dak so we won the game as a result. Otherwise we are going home with only 19 points.

Even by top defenses a guy like Mahomes is hard to contain. A guy like Hurts is hard to contain. Do we know that about Brock yet - no. Although he is an obvious upgrade to Jimmy but all but the Jimmy lovers knew that Jimmy was the one holding our offense back.

With regards to Trey - I want see him play a good string of consecutive games and play bad to just average before I'm willing to ride or die with a dude like Brock who racked up very impressive regular season wins stylistically. As opposed to you, I do have faith in the guy (Trey) to become elite in this league - all while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

Kyle said he thought Trey would have been just as impressive as Brock if he got to play out through the season - I want to see if that's true. No more no less. Not to the detriment of the team either as I think Trey would rack up wins with this kind of roster amd defense around him while he gains needed experience.

Everyone is entitled to agree or disagree as much of this is about who liked or disliked Trey and wanted or didn't want us to draft him. Those who didn't obv going to want Brock and those who did want Trey going to want to see him get starts and show if he has it or not. I mean he'll people in here wanting Darnold to start who has proven he sucks over 50+ starts to play over Trey - that's wild.

Brock better win us a Super Bowl if we ship Trey to another team without more games and Trey blows up. God forbid Trey wins a SB with another team before we do.

If Trey ultimately busts I won't care at all in that case if Brock is not able to get it done and get us #6.

In the end this is about the next 10-15 years and who is more likely to win us Super Bowls. Young was great in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs. I want Super Bowls not playoff appearances. I don't know the answer to this question yet as we do not have enough data points for either guy.

I think Trey has the ability if reaches his ceiling to be a guy that cannot be contained in the biggest games in the NFC title and Super Bowl against the best teams. If Brock shows he cannot be contained against the best defenses by all means let's go with him. All I got to see was him being contained by Dallas which was why the Philly game was so important to see if he could put out another data point showing him not be contained by Philly's top D. I need more info.
[ Edited by Ezekiel38 on Apr 1, 2023 at 2:08 PM ]
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Brock Purdy gives the team the best chance to win. He's earned the right to lead this team. Its not a coincidence that when he starts the team averages 30+ points.

That is all.
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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...

They just want Lance to work out so bad that they're willing to diminish anything and everything that could be an obstacle for him. lol it's very odd. I honestly don't know how anyone isn't drooling over what Purdy did for us last season. Absolutely incredible

I'm critical of Lance but it's all based on what he has and hasn't done yet, while being clear that he can improve, I just don't have faith in the guy to every become elite in this league. All while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

I like what he did during the regular season games. Dallas he looked unspectacular and contained. Only 19 points scored. I did not drool over that performance but was pleased our D is so good and that Dak is Dak so we won the game as a result. Otherwise we are going home with only 19 points.

Even by top defenses a guy like Mahomes is hard to contain. A guy like Hurts is hard to contain. Do we know that about Brock yet - no. Although he is an obvious upgrade to Jimmy but all but the Jimmy lovers knew that Jimmy was the one holding our offense back.

With regards to Trey - I want see him play a good string of consecutive games and play bad to just average before I'm willing to ride or die with a dude like Brock who racked up very impressive regular season wins stylistically. As opposed to you, I do have faith in the guy (Trey) to become elite in this league - all while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

Kyle said he thought Trey would have been just as impressive as Brock if he got to play out through the season - I want to see if that's true. No more no less. Not to the detriment of the team either as I think Trey would rack up wins with this kind of roster amd defense around him while he gains needed experience.

Everyone is entitled to agree or disagree as much of this is about who liked or disliked Trey and wanted or didn't want us to draft him. Those who didn't obv going to want Brock and those who did want Trey going to want to see him get starts and show if he has it or not. I mean he'll people in here wanting Darnold to start who has proven he sucks over 50+ starts to play over Trey - that's wild.

Brock better win us a Super Bowl if we ship Trey to another team without more games and Trey blows up. God forbid Trey wins a SB with another team before we do.

If Trey ultimately busts I won't care at all in that case if Brock is not able to get it done and get us #6.

In the end this is about the next 10-15 years and who is more likely to win us Super Bowls. Young was great in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs. I want Super Bowls not playoff appearances. I don't know the answer to this question yet as we do not have enough data points for either guy.

I think Trey has the ability if reaches his ceiling to be a guy that cannot be contained in the biggest games in the NFC title and Super Bowl against the best teams. If Brock shows he cannot be contained against the best defenses by all means let's go with him. All I got to see was him being contained by Dallas which was why the Philly game was so important to see if he could put out another data point showing him not be contained by Philly's top D. I need more info.

Purdy's passer rating in the playoffs was better than the regular season. Against better competition. Again, what games were you watching?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Brock Purdy gives the team the best chance to win. He's earned the right to lead this team. Its not a coincidence that when he starts the team averages 30+ points.

That is all.

there is a very real possibility that he is even more sharp this year with how he sees the field. You factor in the defenses he saw this last season and the experience he got, he could be much more sharp and reactive than he was. Which is an thing for us.

im trying to find out what the throwing ramp up rehab looks like, struggling to find it though.
for example: I'd imagine that he will just be doing workouts and simply throwing the ball back and forth until he's like 70-80% healed up. Then does the final 20% consist of that same rehab but live plays?

he should be 6-7 weeks through throwing rehab - 50%+ through that portion of rehab as camp starts, if all goes well.
So I'm curious how much of camp he will miss/be limited before he can get in there. I can't imagine that as gets around 85%+, that they won't start easing him in.

i really don't know - that's just my assumption
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...

They just want Lance to work out so bad that they're willing to diminish anything and everything that could be an obstacle for him. lol it's very odd. I honestly don't know how anyone isn't drooling over what Purdy did for us last season. Absolutely incredible

I'm critical of Lance but it's all based on what he has and hasn't done yet, while being clear that he can improve, I just don't have faith in the guy to every become elite in this league. All while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

I like what he did during the regular season games. Dallas he looked unspectacular and contained. Only 19 points scored. I did not drool over that performance but was pleased our D is so good and that Dak is Dak so we won the game as a result. Otherwise we are going home with only 19 points.

Even by top defenses a guy like Mahomes is hard to contain. A guy like Hurts is hard to contain. Do we know that about Brock yet - no. Although he is an obvious upgrade to Jimmy but all but the Jimmy lovers knew that Jimmy was the one holding our offense back.

With regards to Trey - I want see him play a good string of consecutive games and play bad to just average before I'm willing to ride or die with a dude like Brock who racked up very impressive regular season wins stylistically. As opposed to you, I do have faith in the guy (Trey) to become elite in this league - all while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

Kyle said he thought Trey would have been just as impressive as Brock if he got to play out through the season - I want to see if that's true. No more no less. Not to the detriment of the team either as I think Trey would rack up wins with this kind of roster amd defense around him while he gains needed experience.

Everyone is entitled to agree or disagree as much of this is about who liked or disliked Trey and wanted or didn't want us to draft him. Those who didn't obv going to want Brock and those who did want Trey going to want to see him get starts and show if he has it or not. I mean he'll people in here wanting Darnold to start who has proven he sucks over 50+ starts to play over Trey - that's wild.

Brock better win us a Super Bowl if we ship Trey to another team without more games and Trey blows up. God forbid Trey wins a SB with another team before we do.

If Trey ultimately busts I won't care at all in that case if Brock is not able to get it done and get us #6.

In the end this is about the next 10-15 years and who is more likely to win us Super Bowls. Young was great in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs. I want Super Bowls not playoff appearances. I don't know the answer to this question yet as we do not have enough data points for either guy.

I think Trey has the ability if reaches his ceiling to be a guy that cannot be contained in the biggest games in the NFC title and Super Bowl against the best teams. If Brock shows he cannot be contained against the best defenses by all means let's go with him. All I got to see was him being contained by Dallas which was why the Philly game was so important to see if he could put out another data point showing him not be contained by Philly's top D. I need more info.

Purdy's passer rating in the playoffs was better than the regular season. Against better competition. Again, what games were you watching?

Lol I started to respond but it was too much. The only thing I can think of is that he sees it through a Perspective of not wanting Brock to do too well so Lance starts.

- Seahawks game: first rookie in a decade to win a playoff game. First rookie ever to score four touchdowns in a playoff game. One Aiyuk drop away from having a fifth.

- Dallas: it wasn't the sexiest game but it was damn good and extremely impressive, especially down the stretch. Dallas had an incredible pass rush (top 2 in the league).

- Philly: 😭. He looked sharp on his first couple but then was quickly injured. Gutted it out though so we had a qb on the field.

literally historic and some say he didn't play well? So confusing.
https://youtu.be/NW4CAViPeZU

oh snap! Kyle on the qb school channel with JT! Dropped 8 hours ago! Lmao this is great.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Apr 1, 2023 at 2:50 PM ]
Just have to laugh at these guys that try to knock the Cowboys game. I know he earned a lot of respect from Kyle and his teammates for that performance
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