QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/NW4CAViPeZU

oh snap! Kyle on the qb school channel with JT! Dropped 8 hours ago! Lmao this is great.

That isn't Kyle. Lol

Hahah I know. It was an April fools joke by JT. I thought it was pretty good.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Yeah def not scientific fact but def proof of the same obtuse nonsensical arguments from that username that I was made familiar with well over a decade ago during our Vernon Davis/Michael Huff debates.

Lol yea I remember the claims VD was going to revolutionize the TE position because of his physical traits. Here we are over a decade later

Vernon Davis is a perfect example of things can be learned but if you're not natural at it, you won't be great. Aka his hands. They got better but where never really that reliable. I was always worried he would drop it. He got much better and good at it, but nothing special or worth talking about. Just essentially did his job. Lol

and he said he would hit the jugs machine like a maniac everyday after practice. Lol

that's what I mean when I reference qualities about Trey. Of course he can learn to read defenses, react, become more accurate.. but since it isn't something natural to him, I don't think he will be elite. If you don't have the natural instincts, spacial awareness, etc then you can be good at it but I don't think you can become great at it. It'll feel like a chore and not instinctive.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Yeah def not scientific fact but def proof of the same obtuse nonsensical arguments from that username that I was made familiar with well over a decade ago during our Vernon Davis/Michael Huff debates.

Lol yea I remember the claims VD was going to revolutionize the TE position because of his physical traits. Here we are over a decade later

He did go down as one of the best TE's in 49ers history and was head and shoulders above what Huff ended up being now wasn't he?

Originally posted by WINiner:
He did go down as one of the best TE's in 49ers history and was head and shoulders above what Huff ended up being now wasn't he?

Eh! The Raiders started him out at SS. Playing him in tbe box. Tackling was always his weakness. So their plan made no sense.

Year 3 they moved him to FS. His 2nd year at FS he led the league in passes defensed. His 3rd year at FS he was 2nd team all pro.

So, yes VD goes down as the better player. Though one started off playing out of position and the other was the only option on offense. Easy to put up big numbers when you're the only option to throw to.

See Eric Johnson who an even higher catch season than Vernon Davis. The two of those guys couldn't have been more different in terms of physical traits.

As to the Huff/Davis debate. What often gets lost is me wanting Michael Huff IF He was able to play both CB and Safety. By the time that was determined the debates had already been had so...

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Yeah def not scientific fact but def proof of the same obtuse nonsensical arguments from that username that I was made familiar with well over a decade ago during our Vernon Davis/Michael Huff debates.

Lol yea I remember the claims VD was going to revolutionize the TE position because of his physical traits. Here we are over a decade later

Vernon Davis is a perfect example of things can be learned but if you're not natural at it, you won't be great. Aka his hands. They got better but where never really that reliable. I was always worried he would drop it. He got much better and good at it, but nothing special or worth talking about. Just essentially did his job. Lol

and he said he would hit the jugs machine like a maniac everyday after practice. Lol

that's what I mean when I reference qualities about Trey. Of course he can learn to read defenses, react, become more accurate.. but since it isn't something natural to him, I don't think he will be elite. If you don't have the natural instincts, spacial awareness, etc then you can be good at it but I don't think you can become great at it. It'll feel like a chore and not instinctive.

Vernon Davis wasn't an elite catcher of the ball, but it also wasn't a liability in his game. He was average for drop rate in his 49ers career. He had some drops in big moments that hurt which I think embellishes the problem in the minds of some 49ers fans more than it actually was.

I need some goddamn 49ers regular season action.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Yeah def not scientific fact but def proof of the same obtuse nonsensical arguments from that username that I was made familiar with well over a decade ago during our Vernon Davis/Michael Huff debates.

Lol yea I remember the claims VD was going to revolutionize the TE position because of his physical traits. Here we are over a decade later

Vernon Davis is a perfect example of things can be learned but if you're not natural at it, you won't be great. Aka his hands. They got better but where never really that reliable. I was always worried he would drop it. He got much better and good at it, but nothing special or worth talking about. Just essentially did his job. Lol

and he said he would hit the jugs machine like a maniac everyday after practice. Lol

that's what I mean when I reference qualities about Trey. Of course he can learn to read defenses, react, become more accurate.. but since it isn't something natural to him, I don't think he will be elite. If you don't have the natural instincts, spacial awareness, etc then you can be good at it but I don't think you can become great at it. It'll feel like a chore and not instinctive.

Vernon Davis wasn't an elite catcher of the ball, but it also wasn't a liability in his game. He was average for drop rate in his 49ers career. He had some drops in big moments that hurt which I think embellishes the problem in the minds of some 49ers fans more than it actually was.

He def improved. No doubt about it. He had a couple year stretch where he was more reliable then not, but my point wasn't necessarily directed at you. It's just a topic that I've been going back and forth with people on.

im don't subscribe to the school of thought where you can just work at anything and become elite at it.
there has to be an element to it where you're naturally good at it, then you work at that and become elite.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Yeah def not scientific fact but def proof of the same obtuse nonsensical arguments from that username that I was made familiar with well over a decade ago during our Vernon Davis/Michael Huff debates.

Lol yea I remember the claims VD was going to revolutionize the TE position because of his physical traits. Here we are over a decade later

Vernon Davis is a perfect example of things can be learned but if you're not natural at it, you won't be great. Aka his hands. They got better but where never really that reliable. I was always worried he would drop it. He got much better and good at it, but nothing special or worth talking about. Just essentially did his job. Lol

and he said he would hit the jugs machine like a maniac everyday after practice. Lol

that's what I mean when I reference qualities about Trey. Of course he can learn to read defenses, react, become more accurate.. but since it isn't something natural to him, I don't think he will be elite. If you don't have the natural instincts, spacial awareness, etc then you can be good at it but I don't think you can become great at it. It'll feel like a chore and not instinctive.

Vernon Davis wasn't an elite catcher of the ball, but it also wasn't a liability in his game. He was average for drop rate in his 49ers career. He had some drops in big moments that hurt which I think embellishes the problem in the minds of some 49ers fans more than it actually was.

He def improved. No doubt about it. He had a couple year stretch where he was more reliable then not, but my point wasn't necessarily directed at you. It's just a topic that I've been going back and forth with people on.

im don't subscribe to the school of thought where you can just work at anything and become elite at it.
there has to be an element to it where you're naturally good at it, then you work at that and become elite.

He was a body catcher his whole career. He could never extend the way aiyuik can for example. Basically couldnt catch unless it his him in the body.

Walker might have been better than Davis. A lot of those tight ends don't have great hands though.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He was a body catcher his whole career. He could never extend the way aiyuik can for example. Basically couldnt catch unless it his him in the body.

Walker might have been better than Davis. A lot of those tight ends don't have great hands though.

Walker was wayyy under used while he was here. We really messed up on not taking more advantage of him. He had a good 3-4 year run in TN after he left where he was crushing it.

i honestly didn't realize how good he was until he left.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both. Awesomely great points. These dual threat QBs are so talented physically that it slows their passing development down in the ways you both mentioned above.

The key for Kyle is patience. Walsh kept Steve and didn't trade him despite looking like a crap QB for the longest time. Unfortunately the Cap is a barrier to doing that long term nowadays. Now it went both ways, Steve could have demanded a trade and/or could have been difficult with Walsh once he did develop into a decent QB, but he stayed with Walsh and didn't want to leave Walsh.

I don't know if it will be the same with Trey. In other words if I was Trey and my rookie contract is up, do I go for the money, or stay with Kyle and continue to get coached up? Again assuming Kyle keeps Trey for the entirety of Treys rookie contract.

The key to being able to giving a player a bunch of time are a few things.
1. You have a really good and consistent starter (montana/Favre/Rodgers). We don't even know if we have a healthy starter. Lol
2. what did you give up to get that player? We gave up a second and fourth for Young. Rodgers & Love we're mid-late first round selections. None of that really hurts a team or consumes a lot of their draft capitol.

we have some of that going on, but not exactly. It would be awesome to keep a player for years to develop with no concern, but that gets difficult. We will see how it shakes out. Lance may even be our starter this year and changes the whole convo, who the hell knows with the 49ers qb1 spot. Hahaha

*Ass-uming* Purdy is 100% - I think that gives Trey time to develop at least to the end of his rookie contract in 2024, and then ShanaLynch has that option year after that. Conceivably that will take Trey to 2025. So that's about three years from now if Kyle does not trade Trey. Steve Young took about 4 years under Walsh and then blossomed in his fifth year and really began to dominate in his 6th. I think you need at least a year by year of steady progress from Lance to keep him. If he gets injured again this year and doesn't show any improvement, (a repeat of 2022 season) I think they will figure out how to let him go/trade Lance. As a reference point Jalen Hurd, as physically talented as he was, was let go at about year 2. In context, Trey is now entering his 3rd year as a 49er.

Purdy's stats as a rookie was unreal. He broke or matched some rookie records that have been standing for decades. That is unreal. That is going to be tough for Trey to match - unless he shows dramatic improvement. I think if Trey does somewhat improve, they keep him because he's a cheap backup. But the only time Trey will be QB1 is if he *dramatically* improves, in my opinion. If Trey and Sam are equal in performance - Sam will get the QB3 because of Trey's longer contract. Sam's making about 5 million a year on his one year contract, and Trey is 6+ million a year, but has the longer contract.

I"m pulling for both Trey and Brock to make each other better due to the competition, but Trey has a ton of ground to cover, just to match 2022 Brock. He can do it, but he really has to show it in training camp and preseason, otherwise Brock has got a lock on QB1 if he's healthy. In other words, Trey doesn't have much time to get it done. I don't think Sam factors in this scenario unless Brock's rehab is bad.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by krizay:
WTF did I just read? Don't want Brock back until week 8-10?

LMAO! And the Trey "haters" are the ones wanting to be right. The Trey "haters" putting being right above the team. DAFUQ?

Dude what games were these guys watching? Comparing Purdy to Keenum, Files, and Jimmy? What on earth...

They just want Lance to work out so bad that they're willing to diminish anything and everything that could be an obstacle for him. lol it's very odd. I honestly don't know how anyone isn't drooling over what Purdy did for us last season. Absolutely incredible

I'm critical of Lance but it's all based on what he has and hasn't done yet, while being clear that he can improve, I just don't have faith in the guy to every become elite in this league. All while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

I like what he did during the regular season games. Dallas he looked unspectacular and contained. Only 19 points scored. I did not drool over that performance but was pleased our D is so good and that Dak is Dak so we won the game as a result. Otherwise we are going home with only 19 points.

Even by top defenses a guy like Mahomes is hard to contain. A guy like Hurts is hard to contain. Do we know that about Brock yet - no. Although he is an obvious upgrade to Jimmy but all but the Jimmy lovers knew that Jimmy was the one holding our offense back.

With regards to Trey - I want see him play a good string of consecutive games and play bad to just average before I'm willing to ride or die with a dude like Brock who racked up very impressive regular season wins stylistically. As opposed to you, I do have faith in the guy (Trey) to become elite in this league - all while accepting I could be wrong. Lol

Kyle said he thought Trey would have been just as impressive as Brock if he got to play out through the season - I want to see if that's true. No more no less. Not to the detriment of the team either as I think Trey would rack up wins with this kind of roster amd defense around him while he gains needed experience.

Everyone is entitled to agree or disagree as much of this is about who liked or disliked Trey and wanted or didn't want us to draft him. Those who didn't obv going to want Brock and those who did want Trey going to want to see him get starts and show if he has it or not. I mean he'll people in here wanting Darnold to start who has proven he sucks over 50+ starts to play over Trey - that's wild.

Brock better win us a Super Bowl if we ship Trey to another team without more games and Trey blows up. God forbid Trey wins a SB with another team before we do.

If Trey ultimately busts I won't care at all in that case if Brock is not able to get it done and get us #6.

In the end this is about the next 10-15 years and who is more likely to win us Super Bowls. Young was great in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs. I want Super Bowls not playoff appearances. I don't know the answer to this question yet as we do not have enough data points for either guy.

I think Trey has the ability if reaches his ceiling to be a guy that cannot be contained in the biggest games in the NFC title and Super Bowl against the best teams. If Brock shows he cannot be contained against the best defenses by all means let's go with him. All I got to see was him being contained by Dallas which was why the Philly game was so important to see if he could put out another data point showing him not be contained by Philly's top D. I need more info.

Purdy's passer rating in the playoffs was better than the regular season. Against better competition. Again, what games were you watching?

I watched us beat a mediocre Seattle team that most qbs beat with this roster.

I watched 19 points against Dallas.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just have to laugh at these guys that try to knock the Cowboys game. I know he earned a lot of respect from Kyle and his teammates for that performance

If Dak wasn't Dak and our D wasn't so good we'd be sent home with 19 points and the narrative completely different. Respect would be for not making mistakes but criticism also for not scoring enough to win the game.

And I'm a guy who when Jimmy got hurt and I was at the game everyone was like oh no and I immediately said "seems not good but this Brock kid is good I think. Watched all the preseason games and he just seemed like he made quick decisions and was accurate albeit against 3rd stringers but think he could be just as solid vs 1st stringers and be at least as good as Jimmy." My brother was like alright then hope you're right.

So I was never down on Brock he played great amd I was right about him being at least as good as Jimmy since he was clearly better from the jump. Still want to see Trey as I think he could be just as dominant and harder to contain with his physical abilities and I think his leadership and intangibles are there just like Brock. So I want to see him play as I think we will win with him just like we won with Brock. Question is how good will he be when we're winning games? I have no idea but I wanna know. If he's not projecting to be at least as good as Brock by Week 8 then pull him if Brock is literally 100% and ready to go and least we'll have a better idea about Trey's abilities or lack thereof and can move on with more known information. I hope he plays so well he can't be pulled for Brock but if he doesn't great we'll.still win games and have Brock and he can come out and ball. Win win

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I watched us beat a mediocre Seattle team that most qbs beat with this roster.

I watched 19 points against Dallas.

No. Lol you saw what you wanted to see.

i saw your boy Lance drop 10 on the worst team in football this year.. and lose. I also saw your boy drop 10 on the cards. Lol his best game is against one of the other worst team in football in 2021.

don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I watched us beat a mediocre Seattle team that most qbs beat with this roster.

I watched 19 points against Dallas.

No. Lol you saw what you wanted to see.

i saw your boy Lance drop 10 on the worst team in football this year.. and lose. I also saw your boy drop 10 on the cards. Lol his best game is against one of the other worst team in football in 2021.

don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

looks like you saw what you wanted to see as well.