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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
2022 QB Production on plays where at least one coverage defender messed up (Y axis) & on plays where no coverage defender messed up (X axis) pic.twitter.com/onLmAuRvjL
— Jrfortgang (@throwthedamball) August 25, 2023
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
2022 QB Production on plays where at least one coverage defender messed up (Y axis) & on plays where no coverage defender messed up (X axis) pic.twitter.com/onLmAuRvjL
— Jrfortgang (@throwthedamball) August 25, 2023
Was it defined what "messed up" means?
Originally posted by thl408:
lol Tua. That means he needs a defender to mess up in order to do something productive?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
lol Tua. That means he needs a defender to mess up in order to do something productive?
Certianly against the 9ers both their TDs came off mess ups.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:I think more often than not, Jimmy was the 9-10 best qb in the league. On his best days (like New Orleans game) he was in the 7-8 range. His worst days he was 11-14.
Jimmy is a top 10-ish QB in my opinion. His mechanics on the long ball are questionable, and he's not going to extend plays the way Patrick or Brock can. He's immobile and in Kyle's system that's a detriment - specially with Kyle's bread and butter naked QB boot passes, and it's variations. An immobile QB like Jimmy just limits Kyle's offense - enough to not enable Kyle's offense to get to 100%. Tha'ts enough to knock Kyle's offense off from Superbowl Caliber level in my opinion.
Brock has quicker feet, hence better mechanics, and I daresay Brock has Brees-like accuracy. It's insane that he has (as a rookie) a 13-4 TD/Int ratio. Just
i don't think Jimmy gets enough credit for the things he does really well and how much that helped us generate winning football. He does certain things at an elite level but because he has limitations with his he attacks the field and his deep ball, it stagnated the team. I really like him though and thought he was a great teammate and tough guy. It's unfortunate that he gets injured as much as he does.
Purdy, to me, is Jimmy but with a better football mind, aggressiveness, accuracy overall, mobility, and stone cold mentally reliable in the tough situations (so far).
im really hoping this is the start to a great 15 year run with Kyle where our team has the next Montana/Brady type of dominant run.
Agree, about Jimmy and Injuries, that's what drove ShanaLynch to fork over 3 first rounders for Trey. Then they get a player that's injured for two straight years. Trey's durability is as bad or WORSE than Jimmy based on just the games missed and his delayed development because of said injuries. Hopefully Trey's injury issues are behind him, but that's a hope, not a guarantee.
That's also my biggest worry about Brock is that he has been injured. But he's played through his injuries and has been much more healthy relative to Trey, that's one big reason Brock is QB1 - Health. I want ShanaLynch to focus on the OLine next year the way Andy Reid does on his super bowl off years. It's always one of Andy's priorities - and as a former OLineman - he knows the importance of the O and D Lines. John Madden has one of the highest (if not the highest) win/loss rate as a coach in the NFL still today, and I think one reason is because he was just a stud in developing his O and D Lines.
Yeah. I'd like to see us grab a tackle in the first round this year, if it's there. We allocate almost all of our first 2 round picks to the d line and only one to the o line. There is just a shortage of quality o linemen in the nfl In general (hence McG gettin overpaid). It's just a tough spot. I like our starters but the depth is what is worrisome.
Im kinda hoping we trade for a quality o lineman for depth here at cutdowns.
That's the kind of Oline coach that Brock needs. A coach that can find diamonds in the rough in the later rounds and even in the undrafteds. Sapaulo, I think would be an UDFA today if he was young again trying to make the 49ers. Manning might be the next Sapaulo. Geeze Louise did Kyle and the 49er fan base get lucky with B🐔B. On top of that, he's costing a measly one million a year in the salary cap for the next 3+ years. That - of course - helps with signing Bosa and Aiyuk, and so on. That, unfortunately, as Steve Young said, squeezes Trey out of the QB1 spot and into (QB3 or 4)limbo land with his #3 pick salary cap hit.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
2022 QB Production on plays where at least one coverage defender messed up (Y axis) & on plays where no coverage defender messed up (X axis) pic.twitter.com/onLmAuRvjL
— Jrfortgang (@throwthedamball) August 25, 2023
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Like brees and payton but with way more super bowls
Its crazy that Payton had Brees for 15 years and only won one SB. Still perplexed why he gets so heavily hyped compared to McCarthy.
"He was just reaaaaaaally unlucky in the playoffs!"
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Kaepernick played well in the playoffs. That's the difference.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Kaepernick played well in the playoffs. That's the difference.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Kaepernick played well in the playoffs. That's the difference.
Go look at the passing numbers and the film.
Kaepernick was so much better than any 49ers QB that came after him. He's actually our last great QB.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Kaepernick played well in the playoffs. That's the difference.
Go look at the passing numbers and the film.
Kaepernick was so much better than any 49ers QB that came after him. He's actually our last great QB.
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Montana:
90s are starting to feel like way too long ago. I remember not even worrying if we would win the SB, when in them, of course we would. Those were the days lol. Ravens loss was gutting..the KC loss was infuriating. Let's get us a SIX, with six-shooter Purdy..pew pew lol
90s are starting to feel like a long time ago?
there are fans who have been born and grew up and started having kids of their own that have never seen a 49er team win a ring.
I don't have kids, but I was born the year after the 49ers won their last Super Bowl.
Feels bad, man.
What's even worse is that we have got to witness two super bowl losses :/
I went to bed with a hole in my heart both times.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since 2013? I get that this forum hates Jimmy G but 2019 Jimmy G was much better than Kaepernick ever was.
Hopefully Purdy puts this Alex Smith/Kaepernick/Jimmy stuff to bed and we can all conclude he's our best QB in 20+ years.
Not if you count playoffs.
And agreed on your last sentence. Super excited for Purdy to show what he has over a full season.
Jimmy was a better passer/processor, Kaepernick a better runner. They were both good in their own way.
Kaepernick played well in the playoffs. That's the difference.
Yah when the Read Option was a thing. Now it's a thing of the past. Dude barely passes for 3000 yards 21 TD's to 8 INT's are you frickin serious. You wanna discount Jimmy like he didn't do anything in the season or playoffs, yet CK also had Frank Gore and the #2 and #3 defense in the league. Lets also bring up the fact that when CK took the league by storm in 2012 he only started 7 games. Let's also bring up the fact that Jimmy didn't curl up in the fetal position the way CK did when they had to play Seattle. Like I said they were good in their own way, but you wanna knock one but not the other.
