QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

The whole ceiling thing is pretty meaningless though. Arguing that a guy with all the physical traits has a higher ceiling is used to argue in favor of a guy like Trey over a guy like Brock even though Brock has showed a type of real life success that Trey may never.

Hitting on the mental side for a QB is just so rare that it almost negates the physical side of a QBs ceiling argument. Like sure, if you could go into a lab and combine Tom Brady's mental side into Lamar Jackson's physical traits, then you'd conceivably have a QB realizing the ultimate ceiling. But it's so rare for a QB to excel in the mental department, it almost renders the ceiling argument non existent. Like, if you have a guy with Brady's mental traits, he only really needs to be physically average for the position to be an all time great. If you can find that unicorn that has both, great, but even a guy like Mahomes doesn't have the conceivable ceiling as a guy like Lamar Jackson, and we know that it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

I think the position and what it asks of you, is the ceiling. If you can do it all, then you don't really have a ceiling, you can do it all. Saying someone has a ceiling no matter what insinuates they're not capable of more, but you don't know that because more isn't asked.

if you can't do it all, then you have a ceiling that is lower than what the position has, so you're a limited QB.

Either way, it's not a big deal. I just don't believe in saying someone is limited when there isn't anything else to do at the position. Saying someone like mahommes has a ceiling is ridiculous to me.

Originally posted by Chance:
The whole ceiling thing is pretty meaningless though. Arguing that a guy with all the physical traits has a higher ceiling is used to argue in favor of a guy like Trey over a guy like Brock even though Brock has showed a type of real life success that Trey may never.

Hitting on the mental side for a QB is just so rare that it almost negates the physical side of a QBs ceiling argument. Like sure, if you could go into a lab and combine Tom Brady's mental side into Lamar Jackson's physical traits, then you'd conceivably have a QB realizing the ultimate ceiling. But it's so rare for a QB to excel in the mental department, it almost renders the ceiling argument non existent. Like, if you have a guy with Brady's mental traits, he only really needs to be physically average for the position to be an all time great. If you can find that unicorn that has both, great, but even a guy like Mahomes doesn't have the conceivable ceiling as a guy like Lamar Jackson, and we know that it doesn't really matter.

Good post. It's such a stupid concept.

Brock may have less physical tools to utilize in his path to get there, but his ceiling is great QB.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

The whole ceiling thing is pretty meaningless though. Arguing that a guy with all the physical traits has a higher ceiling is used to argue in favor of a guy like Trey over a guy like Brock even though Brock has showed a type of real life success that Trey may never.

Hitting on the mental side for a QB is just so rare that it almost negates the physical side of a QBs ceiling argument. Like sure, if you could go into a lab and combine Tom Brady's mental side into Lamar Jackson's physical traits, then you'd conceivably have a QB realizing the ultimate ceiling. But it's so rare for a QB to excel in the mental department, it almost renders the ceiling argument non existent. Like, if you have a guy with Brady's mental traits, he only really needs to be physically average for the position to be an all time great. If you can find that unicorn that has both, great, but even a guy like Mahomes doesn't have the conceivable ceiling as a guy like Lamar Jackson, and we know that it doesn't really matter.

I think it's a good measure of potential but I also agree that it's kind of meaningless. Brock for example... Is he Kirk Cousins or is he Joe Montana as far as a ceiling goes? Can he be a great or will he be decent like Kirk?

And personally I don't think things like intangibles are the biggest factor in judging a ceiling. I think Brocks ceiling is as high as anybody's at this juncture in his career. That has everything to do with his processing.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
The whole ceiling thing is pretty meaningless though. Arguing that a guy with all the physical traits has a higher ceiling is used to argue in favor of a guy like Trey over a guy like Brock even though Brock has showed a type of real life success that Trey may never.

Hitting on the mental side for a QB is just so rare that it almost negates the physical side of a QBs ceiling argument. Like sure, if you could go into a lab and combine Tom Brady's mental side into Lamar Jackson's physical traits, then you'd conceivably have a QB realizing the ultimate ceiling. But it's so rare for a QB to excel in the mental department, it almost renders the ceiling argument non existent. Like, if you have a guy with Brady's mental traits, he only really needs to be physically average for the position to be an all time great. If you can find that unicorn that has both, great, but even a guy like Mahomes doesn't have the conceivable ceiling as a guy like Lamar Jackson, and we know that it doesn't really matter.

Good post. It's such a stupid concept.

Brock may have less physical tools to utilize in his path to get there, but his ceiling is great QB.

Only time ceiling applies, to me, is when there is something the player isn't able to do that the position asks of you. If you can do it all, there is no ceiling - sky is the limit on what you can accomplish. To me, a ceiling means you're capped, only so much you can do.

brock doesn't have a ceiling, sky's the limit. He just needs to go out there and play and anything/everything is at his disposal.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Really like Brock and I feel like he can be a pro bowl level QB and do it consistently. But his deep ball needs some work and he doesn't have the arm that a couple these others QBs have that can throws lasers without planting their feet or stepping into their throws. So yes, there are things he can't do.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Really like Brock and I feel like he can be a pro bowl level QB and do it consistently. But his deep ball needs some work and he doesn't have the arm that a couple these others QBs have that can throws lasers without planting their feet or stepping into their throws. So yes, there are things he can't do.

Statistically he is still pretty good at deep throws, just not top of the league, so yeah I'm hoping we see an improvement this year.

when I think of limitations, I think of things a player just flat out isn't capable of doing - like jimmy with the deep ball, he's awful at them. Or sideline throws. Brock can throw the ball anywhere, he just can't do what Josh allen does. So I guess it's a limitation on how he can do it but he can still throw it deep.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Really like Brock and I feel like he can be a pro bowl level QB and do it consistently. But his deep ball needs some work and he doesn't have the arm that a couple these others QBs have that can throws lasers without planting their feet or stepping into their throws. So yes, there are things he can't do.

Statistically he is still pretty good at deep throws, just not top of the league, so yeah I'm hoping we see an improvement this year.

when I think of limitations, I think of things a player just flat out isn't capable of doing - like jimmy with the deep ball, he's awful at them. Or sideline throws. Brock can throw the ball anywhere, he just can't do what Josh allen does. So I guess it's a limitation on how he can do it but he can still throw it deep.

The bummer about Brock's injury is that it hindered work he could have done in the off-season to improve his arm strength. Last year, he added significant improvement during the draft process to his throw speed, so it's conceivable that he could have continued to build on that. He's never going to be a Josh Allen but he doesn't need to in order to throw a deep ball like Brees.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Really like Brock and I feel like he can be a pro bowl level QB and do it consistently. But his deep ball needs some work and he doesn't have the arm that a couple these others QBs have that can throws lasers without planting their feet or stepping into their throws. So yes, there are things he can't do.

Statistically he is still pretty good at deep throws, just not top of the league, so yeah I'm hoping we see an improvement this year.

when I think of limitations, I think of things a player just flat out isn't capable of doing - like jimmy with the deep ball, he's awful at them. Or sideline throws. Brock can throw the ball anywhere, he just can't do what Josh allen does. So I guess it's a limitation on how he can do it but he can still throw it deep.

The bummer about Brock's injury is that it hindered work he could have done in the off-season to improve his arm strength. Last year, he added significant improvement during the draft process to his throw speed, so it's conceivable that he could have continued to build on that. He's never going to be a Josh Allen but he doesn't need to in order to throw a deep ball like Brees.

Yeah he missed out on some stuff but at least he got a full training camp in, able to get the mental reps during OTAs, study the playbook and film etc. it's not as bad as we thought it was going to be.

The air in Niner Talk feels so fresh and clean now that it has been cleared of Trey stans.

Originally posted by Koldo:
The air in Niner Talk feels so fresh and clean now that it has been cleared of Trey stans.

Now we're left with ashamed 49er trolls who hate a contender

Originally posted by Koldo:
The air in Niner Talk feels so fresh and clean now that it has been cleared of Trey stans.

Sadly the s**tty trolls like you are still here

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

I think the position and what it asks of you, is the ceiling. If you can do it all, then you don't really have a ceiling, you can do it all. Saying someone has a ceiling no matter what insinuates they're not capable of more, but you don't know that because more isn't asked.

if you can't do it all, then you have a ceiling that is lower than what the position has, so you're a limited QB.

Either way, it's not a big deal. I just don't believe in saying someone is limited when there isn't anything else to do at the position. Saying someone like mahommes has a ceiling is ridiculous to me.

Ceilings aren't absolute, they are relative. Don't have a great arm? Go to a system that doesn't need a great arm. Don't have mobility? Go to a team with a great running back and your mobility isn't a total limiter. I.e. it's a team game, and coaches have various tricks to modify a players - so called - ceilings and limitations.

Don't get me wrong, there are minimum's to play football. You can't be 120 lbs and play nose tackle in the NFL, for example. After the minimums are met, those ceilings are malleable and can be lifted to a certain extent.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Ceilings aren't absolute, they are relative. Don't have a great arm? Go to a system that doesn't need a great arm. Don't have mobility? Go to a team with a great running back and your mobility isn't a total limiter. I.e. it's a team game, and coaches have various tricks to modify a players - so called - ceilings and limitations.

Don't get me wrong, there are minimum's to play football. You can't be 120 lbs and play nose tackle in the NFL, for example. After the minimums are met, those ceilings are malleable and can be lifted to a certain extent.

I always appreciate your responses hahaha. Thanks man.

yeah, it's the ultimate team game and certain skill sets make or break certain systems - the best coaches tailor their systems to their players and make the most. I think Kyle does a great job of that, usually.

yeah, there are definitely minimums to what you need to be able to compete in this league, but I also believe if you're able to do everything (regardless of how you have to do it), you don't have to be limited. Brady couldn't throw like Mahommes or allen, was he limited cause he couldn't bullet a 60 yarder on a rope? Or cause he couldn't run 30 yards if he wants to while juking people? Or runnin to his left and throwing a 40 yard pass off platform on a rope? None of that matters as long as you can execute everything within your system.