QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Ceilings aren't absolute, they are relative. Don't have a great arm? Go to a system that doesn't need a great arm. Don't have mobility? Go to a team with a great running back and your mobility isn't a total limiter. I.e. it's a team game, and coaches have various tricks to modify a players - so called - ceilings and limitations.

Don't get me wrong, there are minimum's to play football. You can't be 120 lbs and play nose tackle in the NFL, for example. After the minimums are met, those ceilings are malleable and can be lifted to a certain extent.

I always appreciate your responses hahaha. Thanks man.

yeah, it's the ultimate team game and certain skill sets make or break certain systems - the best coaches tailor their systems to their players and make the most. I think Kyle does a great job of that, usually.

yeah, there are definitely minimums to what you need to be able to compete in this league, but I also believe if you're able to do everything (regardless of how you have to do it), you don't have to be limited. Brady couldn't throw like Mahommes or allen, was he limited cause he couldn't bullet a 60 yarder on a rope? Or cause he couldn't run 30 yards if he wants to while juking people? Or runnin to his left and throwing a 40 yard pass off platform on a rope? None of that matters as long as you can execute everything within your system.

There are so many different systems nowadays. Run and Shoot, Air raid, West coast, ground and pound, one back, 46 defense, cover 2, 4-3 under, etc... There is so much strategy and tactics in football, it's one of the most intellectually complicated games in society. You have the matchups - Jerry Rice vs Deion Sanders, you have the gamesmanship - Icing Moody. YOu have the meta game - Kyle goes fullback while everybody goes 11 personnel. You have the moneyball cap guys. You have the NFLPA changing the rules of football to protect players. You have the players getting bigger because of steroids. It's a lot stuff to know and absorb at every level. Guys who are football smart can do as well as those who are just physically bigger and stronger in this crazy game. Tom Brady was the Wayne Gretzy of the Football World, both used their brains more than their brawn to win games. Still, both worked hard on their bodies. Tom is the classic example of a guy working on his body 24/7/365.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by tankle104:

So many morons saying Brock has a ceiling. Lmao how do they know? Why don't they let the season play out and let's find out what Brock can do. Right?

it's the same guys who were claiming that we don't know what Lance is cause he only played a couple of games, too small of a sample size. So, doesn't the same thing go for Brock? You can't say he has a ceiling when he's only played 7 games. lol so much hypocrisy that it's comical.

we only really know one thing about Lance, he has a very low floor. No one really knows if he has a high ceiling.

we only really know one thing about Brock, he has only played at a really high level. Top 5 qb stats in numerous catagories, rookie records and NFL records.

so why don't we just let the season play out and see if he can live up to expectations, or exceed them. Lol

Every player has a ceiling. This is a dumb f**king post.

Brocks ceiling is somewhere around the same level as Brady's as far as anyone can tell.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Koldo:
The air in Niner Talk feels so fresh and clean now that it has been cleared of Trey stans.

Now we're left with ashamed 49er trolls who hate a contender

on the mark Koldo they were different breed of cat

but they will all be back once Brocky starts us on a roll again

i think we can all be frens now

Skillset wise, Brock's mobility is better than Bradys ever was. Not sure about arm strength but it's not like its weak. Ceilings are more about the mental game than the physical. Whether Brock is the next Marc Bulger or the next Brady all depends on what happens between the ears.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

The full answer from Willie Snead saying there are similarities between Brock Purdy and Drew Brees.

"I told him last year, it's just something I see in him...I been around that guy, I know what that guy does and Brock has very similar elements."#FTTB | @KPIXtv | #49ers https://t.co/5i4tiWOXuf pic.twitter.com/l3I8PxhmtP

— Matt Lively (@mattblively) August 26, 2023

Glock Purdy

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

The full answer from Willie Snead saying there are similarities between Brock Purdy and Drew Brees.

"I told him last year, it's just something I see in him...I been around that guy, I know what that guy does and Brock has very similar elements."#FTTB | @KPIXtv | #49ers https://t.co/5i4tiWOXuf pic.twitter.com/l3I8PxhmtP

— Matt Lively (@mattblively) August 26, 2023

I would say he's more like Brees than Brady. Brady is much bigger and only had one injury in his entire career. When he was younger he could throw a deep ball really well. Brees was also a good deep ball thrower. We haven't seen much of that from Purdy because that's not a big part of the Niners offense. From the little I've seen, his passes tend to lose velocity past 20-25 yards and start to hang a little. I just haven't seen enough to have a strong opinion.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

The full answer from Willie Snead saying there are similarities between Brock Purdy and Drew Brees.

"I told him last year, it's just something I see in him...I been around that guy, I know what that guy does and Brock has very similar elements."#FTTB | @KPIXtv | #49ers https://t.co/5i4tiWOXuf pic.twitter.com/l3I8PxhmtP

— Matt Lively (@mattblively) August 26, 2023

Brock might have Brees' off the field approach, but to me, Brock's current on the field ability is similar to Jeff Garcia. A Garcia comp includes the mobility aspect that a Brees comp does not include. In no way is that an insult to Brock, I think Garcia is a damn good QB. The Garcia comp also includes the underdog element. Anyway, I see Brees' name come up a lot, maybe because they are both shortish QBs, but Brock is so much more nimble than Brees ever was.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol everyone has a ceiling but not at 23.

Did Joe montana have a ceiling? Brady? Mahommes? Manning? Bree's? Etc. To me, it's either you're elite or you're not. If you're not, there are limitations to your game.

if you can hit all the throws, good pocket presence, calm demeanor, good leadership, etc - there really isn't anything you can't do, so how do you have a ceiling?

i feel like it's QBs where there are things they just can't do, where they have limitations.

so far, there isn't any aspect of playing QB that Brock has shown he can't do. Now he just needs to do it consistently and efficiently.

Hitting the ceiling is just a another way of saying reaching ones pinnacle or in the opposite direction, hitting rock bottom. Nobody has an infinite ceiling, there will always be a limit, even with Montana.

I think the position and what it asks of you, is the ceiling. If you can do it all, then you don't really have a ceiling, you can do it all. Saying someone has a ceiling no matter what insinuates they're not capable of more, but you don't know that because more isn't asked.

if you can't do it all, then you have a ceiling that is lower than what the position has, so you're a limited QB.

Either way, it's not a big deal. I just don't believe in saying someone is limited when there isn't anything else to do at the position. Saying someone like mahommes has a ceiling is ridiculous to me.

Ceilings aren't absolute, they are relative. Don't have a great arm? Go to a system that doesn't need a great arm. Don't have mobility? Go to a team with a great running back and your mobility isn't a total limiter. I.e. it's a team game, and coaches have various tricks to modify a players - so called - ceilings and limitations.

Don't get me wrong, there are minimum's to play football. You can't be 120 lbs and play nose tackle in the NFL, for example. After the minimums are met, those ceilings are malleable and can be lifted to a certain extent.

Agree that a ceiling can be lifted. Michael Jordan once said that, 'the ceiling is the roof' and since a person can 'raise the roof', that means a person can raise the ceiling. This is simple math, not rocket surgery.

Originally posted by thl408:
Agree that a ceiling can be lifted. Michael Jordan once said that, 'the ceiling is the roof' and since a person can 'raise the roof', that means a person can raise the ceiling. This is simple math, not rocket surgery.

Good morning David.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by thl408:
Agree that a ceiling can be lifted. Michael Jordan once said that, 'the ceiling is the roof' and since a person can 'raise the roof', that means a person can raise the ceiling. This is simple math, not rocket surgery.

Good morning David.

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by thl408:
Agree that a ceiling can be lifted. Michael Jordan once said that, 'the ceiling is the roof' and since a person can 'raise the roof', that means a person can raise the ceiling. This is simple math, not rocket surgery.

Good morning David.

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Damn, my warning level is going to go back up. :/

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by thl408:
Agree that a ceiling can be lifted. Michael Jordan once said that, 'the ceiling is the roof' and since a person can 'raise the roof', that means a person can raise the ceiling. This is simple math, not rocket surgery.

Good morning David.

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Good points. Brees was less nimble than Brock & threw quite a few deep balls. I can see the Garcia comparsion. I think Brock throws a bit cleaner spirals than Garcia. All these comparisons, Favre, Brees, Brady..one day ppl will be saying, "This qb could be the next Purdy" lol. He is sharp as a tack, a beast..get those rings!!!

Originally posted by Montana:
Good points. Brees was less nimble than Brock & threw quite a few deep balls. I can see the Garcia comparsion. I think Brock throws a bit cleaner spirals than Garcia. All these comparisons, Favre, Brees, Brady..one day ppl will be saying, "This qb could be the next Purdy" lol. He is sharp as a tack, a beast..get those rings!!!

That's my hope! That Purdy carves out his own status and prestige. That's when you know they're a legitimate stud.

he has similarities to other greats but he is his own man and player, hopefully he is able to grow and add to that to where he becomes a guy others are comparing young players to (in a positive way).