QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey wanted out. Not sure he gets traded if he doesn't ask to be traded.

Lol. I just cannot believe people buy this.

Oh well, meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

+1

Kyle and John both said it and Trey has not denied it. What evidence do you have that that is not the case?

What did KS say himself, he said we get financial savings. No team wants a QB3 at that cap hit. That's the scoop. Rarely will a HC come out and say anything other than 'he's great we stand by him' (aka coachspeak), yet in this case KS did in fact say the quiet part out loud. Also evidence is the guy can't play NFL football. Usually you don't want those guys, on an NFL roster, taking up a roster spot and such. Brock Purdy can really play, and his return plus Darnold means adios Trey.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
His words were literally, "We would rather you were here." (paraphrasing)

EDIT: He was traded because he asked, he was traded to Dallas because they offered the highest comp. So you must now argue that both Kyle and John are lying and Trey is being complicit in the conspiracy by not denying it.

It's not a conspiracy. It's basic football business and it's obvious.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
If Brock doesn't turn into that dude, Kyle should be fired.

the only way Kyle's getting fired is if he has multiple losing seasons.

Kyle has four playoff wins in the past two years alone. dude wins games. that's all that matters. his seat is cold as f**k.

This. He's not getting fired anytime soon. So don't hold your breath.

Agree💯%, and if Brock is who I think he is, Kyle's going to be here for decades.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What did KS say himself, he said we get financial savings. No team wants a QB3 at that cap hit. That's the scoop. Rarely will a HC come out and say anything other than 'he's great we stand by him' (aka coachspeak), yet in this case KS did in fact say the quiet part out loud. Also evidence is the guy can't play NFL football. Usually you don't want those guys, on an NFL roster, taking up a roster spot and such. Brock Purdy can really play, and his return plus Darnold means adios Trey.

And what do people expect Trey, a guy looking for an opportunity, to say?

'No I didn't ask for a trade. They lost confidence in my ability and were open to trading me for months. I didn't prove otherwise in camp and here we are'

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
His words were literally, "We would rather you were here." (paraphrasing)

They don't tell the truth or full truth in public. It's messaging crafted to their benefit, and again I listened to everything Kyle said. It was clear they wanted to move him and prepped all offseason for the opportunity to do so.

Look at the fan reaction my guy. It's convenient that 49ers fans will potentially shift any blame for a trade on Trey, and why would Trey say anything differently? It's face saving as much as possible all the way around.

The evidence is right in front of your face. What leverage does Trey have to force the team to trade him for next to nothing to a rival, and eat a s**t ton of money in the process? They shipped him out to the best offer they could get. Trey's arguably in a worse situation now.

Your evidence is pure speculation. The ACTUAL evidence is what all parties have said (or not said). And Trey has plenty of incentive to deny it if it's not true, because it could be construed he's a quitter.

As for "Trey's leverage," you're thinking of this like Money Ball or Madden. These are humans. The "leverage" Trey has is simply sympathy from John and Kyle and the fact that they'd rather not have a guy on the team who doesn't want to be there. They've SEVERAL times done things for players that maybe was not in the best interest of the team on paper (at least not at first glance; but when you look closer, it's them fostering a reputation for being a very player-friendly organization, which helps them attract free agents).

The very, very best case for your conspiracy theory is that Kyle and John were actually blowing smoke to Trey, and planted the seed of suggestion so he'd "choose" himself that he wanted to leave. Otherwise, there's no evidence for your claims other than your own carefully constructed narrative.

In other words, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Nothing Jimmy said was wrong. It has been a weird situation for a few years now. Hopefully, that's all behind us now and Brock turns into that dude, that eliminates all QB distractions.

A friend simplified it fairly well:

'the 49ers treated their bad quarterbacks poorly. I can accept that.'

lol

Meh. As of now, Lance is a bad QB. But, I wouldn't call Jimmy one too.

Jimmy was probably 9-11th best QB in the league most Sundays. That's hard to find. It's not great but seeing how there is a massive drop off in quality past like the 14 top QBs… Jimmy wasn't bad at all. Jimmy didn't deserve to go through what he did, but it happened, and he handled it with as much class as anyone can ask. (I get why the team wanted to move on, it's just crappy to replace a guy so aggressively and then tell him he's staying and will play another year while they groom his replacement).

Lance is bad right now. We will see what the future holds. I'm not holding my breathe. Lance lost out on QB2 and wanted a "fresh start" immediately.

jimmy will always be better and classier than Lance, IMO. He was in a tough spot and still played well and kept
the team competitive. I have a ton of respect for Jimmy. I think Trey is a good guy and all that but not someone I really want on my team from a capability level, nor when we face adversity.

Yep, couldn't agree more

Major storm coming through where I live. I'm all prepared with 1/17 of my goats to sacrifice to the gods during the storm. You can thank me for making sure Brock is healthy later.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Nothing Jimmy said was wrong. It has been a weird situation for a few years now. Hopefully, that's all behind us now and Brock turns into that dude, that eliminates all QB distractions.

A friend simplified it fairly well:

'the 49ers treated their bad quarterbacks poorly. I can accept that.'

lol

Meh. As of now, Lance is a bad QB. But, I wouldn't call Jimmy one too.

Jimmy was probably 9-11th best QB in the league most Sundays. That's hard to find. It's not great but seeing how there is a massive drop off in quality past like the 14 top QBs… Jimmy wasn't bad at all. Jimmy didn't deserve to go through what he did, but it happened, and he handled it with as much class as anyone can ask. (I get why the team wanted to move on, it's just crappy to replace a guy so aggressively and then tell him he's staying and will play another year while they groom his replacement).

Lance is bad right now. We will see what the future holds. I'm not holding my breathe. Lance lost out on QB2 and wanted a "fresh start" immediately.

jimmy will always be better and classier than Lance, IMO. He was in a tough spot and still played well and kept
the team competitive. I have a ton of respect for Jimmy. I think Trey is a good guy and all that but not someone I really want on my team from a capability level, nor when we face adversity.

No. Stop it. I will disagree with Smokey who said Jimmy was a bad QB. I disagree. He wasnt bad. But lets chill on calling him a top 10 QB most Sundays. Thats ridiculous, and isnt based on anything other than your feelings.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
His words were literally, "We would rather you were here." (paraphrasing)

EDIT: He was traded because he asked, he was traded to Dallas because they offered the highest comp. So you must now argue that both Kyle and John are lying and Trey is being complicit in the conspiracy by not denying it.

It's not a conspiracy. It's basic football business and it's obvious.

I'm still bummed losing Trey, despite what Greg Papa said about Trey's first preseason camp, I can see the talent he has. I so wish he'd have taken a paycut and been our QB3, but that's no longer possible in todays cap strapped teams. Trey asked to be traded to Dallas, who I think is a much more dysfunctional team than the 49ers.

Seriously though, Trey isn't going to beat out Brock for the next (minimum) 3+ years if ever. I would have liked for him to go to a bottom feeder team where he'd actually get QB1/QB2 reps, but he's stuck with QB3 reps with Dallas which is pretty much the same situation he would have had here. Oh well, I do wish him well, and I do hope Jerrah does him right and develops him to what he can be. He'll be a guud 'un if Jerrah can.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Major storm coming through where I live. I'm all prepared with 1/17 of my goats to sacrifice to the gods during the storm. You can thank me for making sure Brock is healthy later.

Just take it head on.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Your evidence is pure speculation. The ACTUAL evidence is what all parties have said (or not said). And Trey has plenty of incentive to deny it if it's not true, because it could be construed he's a quitter.

As for "Trey's leverage," you're thinking of this like Money Ball or Madden. These are humans. The "leverage" Trey has is simply sympathy from John and Kyle and the fact that they'd rather not have a guy on the team who doesn't want to be there. They've SEVERAL times done things for players that maybe was not in the best interest of the team on paper (at least not at first glance; but when you look closer, it's them fostering a reputation for being a very player-friendly organization, which helps them attract free agents).

The very, very best case for your conspiracy theory is that Kyle and John were actually blowing smoke to Trey, and planted the seed of suggestion so he'd "choose" himself that he wanted to leave. Otherwise, there's no evidence for your claims other than your own carefully constructed narrative.

In other words, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

Lmao. The evidence is the moves they made prior, the ample reporting of the possibility for months, and the fact that they actually did it with all the conditions attached to it.

Your evidence is what they said in public to an upset fanbase after the fact. That's it.

You aren't properly evaluating Trey's position and what would be to his benefit in terms of public acknowledgement. And nobody said Kyle and John lied to Trey behind closed doors.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No. Stop it. I will disagree with Smokey who said Jimmy was a bad QB. I disagree. He wasnt bad. But lets chill on calling him a top 10 QB most Sundays. Thats ridiculous, and isnt based on anything other than your feelings.

It was a quote from my friend who was joking around. Jimmy is an average starting qb in the league.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey wanted out. Not sure he gets traded if he doesn't ask to be traded.

Lol. I just cannot believe people buy this.

Oh well, meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

+1

Kyle and John both said it and Trey has not denied it. What evidence do you have that that is not the case?

What did KS say himself, he said we get financial savings. No team wants a QB3 at that cap hit. That's the scoop. Rarely will a HC come out and say anything other than 'he's great we stand by him' (aka coachspeak), yet in this case KS did in fact say the quiet part out loud. Also evidence is the guy can't play NFL football. Usually you don't want those guys, on an NFL roster, taking up a roster spot and such. Brock Purdy can really play, and his return plus Darnold means adios Trey.

You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Your evidence is pure speculation. The ACTUAL evidence is what all parties have said (or not said). And Trey has plenty of incentive to deny it if it's not true, because it could be construed he's a quitter.

As for "Trey's leverage," you're thinking of this like Money Ball or Madden. These are humans. The "leverage" Trey has is simply sympathy from John and Kyle and the fact that they'd rather not have a guy on the team who doesn't want to be there. They've SEVERAL times done things for players that maybe was not in the best interest of the team on paper (at least not at first glance; but when you look closer, it's them fostering a reputation for being a very player-friendly organization, which helps them attract free agents).

The very, very best case for your conspiracy theory is that Kyle and John were actually blowing smoke to Trey, and planted the seed of suggestion so he'd "choose" himself that he wanted to leave. Otherwise, there's no evidence for your claims other than your own carefully constructed narrative.

In other words, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

Lmao. The evidence is the moves they made prior, the ample reporting of the possibility for months, and the fact that they actually did it with all the conditions attached to it.

Your evidence is what they said in public to an upset fanbase after the fact. That's it.

You aren't properly evaluating Trey's position and what would be to his benefit in terms of public acknowledgement. And nobody said Kyle and John lied to Trey behind closed doors.

The moves they made are fully explained by the fact that they went through five QBs last year. And this is what Kyle said he told TREY. So now you're arguing Kyle has lied MULTIPLE times here, lying about what they said and lying about who they said it to and why.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Nothing Jimmy said was wrong. It has been a weird situation for a few years now. Hopefully, that's all behind us now and Brock turns into that dude, that eliminates all QB distractions.

A friend simplified it fairly well:

'the 49ers treated their bad quarterbacks poorly. I can accept that.'

lol

Meh. As of now, Lance is a bad QB. But, I wouldn't call Jimmy one too.

Jimmy was probably 9-11th best QB in the league most Sundays. That's hard to find. It's not great but seeing how there is a massive drop off in quality past like the 14 top QBs… Jimmy wasn't bad at all. Jimmy didn't deserve to go through what he did, but it happened, and he handled it with as much class as anyone can ask. (I get why the team wanted to move on, it's just crappy to replace a guy so aggressively and then tell him he's staying and will play another year while they groom his replacement).

Lance is bad right now. We will see what the future holds. I'm not holding my breathe. Lance lost out on QB2 and wanted a "fresh start" immediately.

jimmy will always be better and classier than Lance, IMO. He was in a tough spot and still played well and kept
the team competitive. I have a ton of respect for Jimmy. I think Trey is a good guy and all that but not someone I really want on my team from a capability level, nor when we face adversity.

No. Stop it. I will disagree with Smokey who said Jimmy was a bad QB. I disagree. He wasnt bad. But lets chill on calling him a top 10 QB most Sundays. Thats ridiculous, and isnt based on anything other than your feelings.

Not really. Lol since 2017 he has the 3rd highest EPA in the league behind Mahomes and Bree's. He was annually one of the best 3rd downs QBs. There are a lot of things that he was really good at. There were things He wasn't good at as well, but what he was good at. - he was really good at.

honestly, if you can't see that, then it's your emotions getting in the way.

if you're just purely gojng off of touchdowns, INT, yards - then yeah, he wasn't top 10. But if you're going off of the things that QBs need to do to help a team win weekly. He was at worst 9-12th a week.

last year he was like top 3 efficiency one the redzone. Etc I don't want to debate jimmy. Lol he's gone but it's ridiculous to say he wasn't a good qb.