QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

5GR, he can't play, realize, I put a list of trade logic, outlining the reasons for the trade, prior to the trade! If it's time to move on, it's time to move on. TL doesn't set the agenda, KS does. You post as if TL sets the agenda, and determines if he's on the roster or not. He doesn't run this show. This is my opinion. I do think it's silly to suggest, players decide for themselves if they are on the club or not, only in junior league maybe, not in the NFL.

We go forward with Brock

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Major storm coming through where I live. I'm all prepared with 1/17 of my goats to sacrifice to the gods during the storm. You can thank me for making sure Brock is healthy later.

Just take it head on.

Whatever I have to do, baby.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

5GR, he can't play, realize, I put a list of trade logic, outlining the reasons for the trade, prior to the trade! If it's time to move on, it's time to move on. TL doesn't set the agenda, KS does. You post as if TL sets the agenda, and determines if he's on the roster or not. He doesn't run this show. This is my opinion. I do think it's silly to suggest, players decide for themselves if they are on the club or not, only in junior league maybe, not in the NFL.

We go forward with Brock

49erFaithful6, Kyle said Trey was given the option and chose a trade, realize. I'm sorry that this is not the reality you wish to be. You say Kyle sets the agenda? Well Kyle said he set the agenda to let Trey choose whether to be the 3 or be traded, and Trey, under Kyle's agenda, chose to be traded.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

If you listen to this and can't understand that it was in their mutual interest, at best (and likely strictly because the team wanted to make the move), then I can't help you.

You also only addressed one thing I said in regards to the evidence... the moves they made (Darnold/Allen). It had been reported for months that we could trade him. And then we did actually trade him. Ate ~ 14 million in the process. Traded him to a playoff rival. Got a 4th round pick only. After paying him 27 million for nothing. A guy with no leverage whatsoever.

All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans. If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Not really. Lol since 2017 he has the 3rd highest EPA in the league behind Mahomes and Bree's. He was annually one of the best 3rd downs QBs. There are a lot of things that he was really good at. There were things He wasn't good at as well, but what he was good at. - he was really good at.

honestly, if you can't see that, then it's your emotions getting in the way.

if you're just purely gojng off of touchdowns, INT, yards - then yeah, he wasn't top 10. But if you're going off of the things that QBs need to do to help a team win weekly. He was at worst 9-12th a week.

last year he was like top 3 efficiency one the redzone. Etc I don't want to debate jimmy. Lol he's gone but it's ridiculous to say he wasn't a good qb.

Agree 💯%, that Jimmy was at least a top 10 QB. I also don't want to debate Jimmy here.

I think Brock's performance in the next BlitzBurg game will be another data point of him being an elite QB in the NFL. We shall see. But I'm excited to see this offense road grade that Tomlin defense into watery puree, now that we have 4 TE's in the house!

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
49erFaithful6, Kyle said Trey was given the option and chose a trade, realize. I'm sorry that this is not the reality you wish to be. You say Kyle sets the agenda? Well Kyle said he set the agenda to let Trey choose whether to be the 3 or be traded, and Trey, under Kyle's agenda, chose to be traded.

So KS allows TL to dictate our cap space? You really think that? A guy who can't play, who won't see the field, gets to decide if he's on our cap or not? I think that's lunacy. Just my opinion. Once he falls to QB3, it's a business decision at that point, we free up what cap we can, we get a guy who was clearly emotional over the decision, out of our QB room, and we go forward with BP and Sam. Now he may have said I want out, okay fine, the org wasn't doing it in response to that request, they were working the phones regardless.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
49erFaithful6, Kyle said Trey was given the option and chose a trade, realize. I'm sorry that this is not the reality you wish to be. You say Kyle sets the agenda? Well Kyle said he set the agenda to let Trey choose whether to be the 3 or be traded, and Trey, under Kyle's agenda, chose to be traded.

He outright says at the beginning of that video that the team had decided on two quarterbacks and may not keep a third, depending on the rest of the 53 man roster. Don't be ridiculous.



Direct question. Indirect answer. A word salad that inadvertently screams the truth at you, if all the other real evidence didn't.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No. Stop it. I will disagree with Smokey who said Jimmy was a bad QB. I disagree. He wasnt bad. But lets chill on calling him a top 10 QB most Sundays. Thats ridiculous, and isnt based on anything other than your feelings.

It was a quote from my friend who was joking around. Jimmy is an average starting qb in the league.

I don't think people realize that saying jimmy was 9-12 best qb in the league is saying he was like average to above average. Lol they hear top 10 and act like that is something great. There are only like 4-6 elite QBs in the league annually. Then there is usually a big drop off where the "above average" guys come in. Lol then around 14-32 are usually pretty bad.

this isn't like most position, there are major drops offs in quality of play with QBs every couple ranking movements. Typically half of the league has crap-mediocre play. Then there are like 7-8 good (Aka above average) quarterbacks. Then sometimes there are a couple damn good QBs. Then a handful of elite QBs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Not really. Lol since 2017 he has the 3rd highest EPA in the league behind Mahomes and Bree's. He was annually one of the best 3rd downs QBs. There are a lot of things that he was really good at. There were things He wasn't good at as well, but what he was good at. - he was really good at.

honestly, if you can't see that, then it's your emotions getting in the way.

if you're just purely gojng off of touchdowns, INT, yards - then yeah, he wasn't top 10. But if you're going off of the things that QBs need to do to help a team win weekly. He was at worst 9-12th a week.

last year he was like top 3 efficiency one the redzone. Etc I don't want to debate jimmy. Lol he's gone but it's ridiculous to say he wasn't a good qb.

Agree 💯%, that Jimmy was at least a top 10 QB. I also don't want to debate Jimmy here.

I think Brock's performance in the next BlitzBurg game will be another data point of him being an elite QB in the NFL. We shall see. But I'm excited to see this offense road grade that Tomlin defense into watery puree, now that we have 4 TE's in the house!

My issue with replacing jimmy was never that I was in love with him or convinced he was great, I just thought Trey was no where near as good as him and either never would be, or at least was years away from it. So it never made sense.

if the team replaced jimmy with Brock, I'd be all for it. Lol wouldn't bother me one bit because that makes sense.. you know? Lol

i think Brock is going to have a really good game. My concern is our defense giving up big plays because of busts from blitzing. Then my major concern is special teams sucking. Lol

I thought this was the Brock Purdy thread.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Not really. Lol since 2017 he has the 3rd highest EPA in the league behind Mahomes and Bree's. He was annually one of the best 3rd downs QBs. There are a lot of things that he was really good at. There were things He wasn't good at as well, but what he was good at. - he was really good at.

honestly, if you can't see that, then it's your emotions getting in the way.

if you're just purely gojng off of touchdowns, INT, yards - then yeah, he wasn't top 10. But if you're going off of the things that QBs need to do to help a team win weekly. He was at worst 9-12th a week.

last year he was like top 3 efficiency one the redzone. Etc I don't want to debate jimmy. Lol he's gone but it's ridiculous to say he wasn't a good qb.

Agree 💯%, that Jimmy was at least a top 10 QB. I also don't want to debate Jimmy here.

I think Brock's performance in the next BlitzBurg game will be another data point of him being an elite QB in the NFL. We shall see. But I'm excited to see this offense road grade that Tomlin defense into watery puree, now that we have 4 TE's in the house!

My issue with replacing jimmy was never that I was in love with him or convinced he was great, I just thought Trey was no where near as good as him and either never would be, or at least was years away from it. So it never made sense.

if the team replaced jimmy with Brock, I'd be all for it. Lol wouldn't bother me one bit because that makes sense.. you know? Lol

i think Brock is going to have a really good game. My concern is our defense giving up big plays because of busts from blitzing. Then my major concern is special teams sucking. Lol

I appreciate all of NY85's opinions, they are all solid and backed by good points. I respect the hell out of him. But his fixation with arm talent ignores the fact that guys like Tom, Joe, Jimmy (no I'm not saying Jimmy is like those others I mention here) have the brains to operate a complex NFL offense. It takes a certain amount of brains to do so for these top level precision offense like Andy's Mahomes offense and the like. Agree that Trey is years away from even a 2022 Rookie Brock Purdy level play. Once Bosa is singed, you will have a top level defense that can stuff most NFL offenses. That's really all you need for the playoffs nowadays - assuming the rest of the defense is just average and there is no glaring weaknesses.

Originally posted by eastie:
I thought this was the Brock Purdy thread.

That's my bad. Apologies people. Moving on anyway.

Originally posted by eastie:
I thought this was the Brock Purdy thread.

Was just gonna say that. The Lance thread is in NFL Talk, folks.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by eastie:
I thought this was the Brock Purdy thread.

Was just gonna say that. The Lance thread is in NFL Talk, folks.

there was an old Webzone adage

every thread turns into an Alex Smith thread, eventually

based on history i will guess this rings true about Trey for the near future

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

If you listen to this and can't understand that it was in their mutual interest, at best (and likely strictly because the team wanted to make the move), then I can't help you.

You also only addressed one thing I said in regards to the evidence... the moves they made (Darnold/Allen). It had been reported for months that we could trade him. And then we did actually trade him. Ate ~ 14 million in the process. Traded him to a playoff rival. Got a 4th round pick only. After paying him 27 million for nothing. A guy with no leverage whatsoever.

All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans. If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.

good summary Smokey, you can only those who want help