QB Brock Purdy Thread

#teamAlex

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

I"m still on the Kaepernick train. Yep, that same train that was derailed and dropped into a canyon in 2014.

Brock is the new future of the 49ers. It sucks those injuries derailed a promising QB's career here, but it's happened with Alex, and it's happened with Trey. It can happen with Brock (God forbid and knock on wood).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
49erFaithful6, Kyle said Trey was given the option and chose a trade, realize. I'm sorry that this is not the reality you wish to be. You say Kyle sets the agenda? Well Kyle said he set the agenda to let Trey choose whether to be the 3 or be traded, and Trey, under Kyle's agenda, chose to be traded.

So KS allows TL to dictate our cap space? You really think that? A guy who can't play, who won't see the field, gets to decide if he's on our cap or not? I think that's lunacy. Just my opinion. Once he falls to QB3, it's a business decision at that point, we free up what cap we can, we get a guy who was clearly emotional over the decision, out of our QB room, and we go forward with BP and Sam. Now he may have said I want out, okay fine, the org wasn't doing it in response to that request, they were working the phones regardless.

Kyle is being diplomatic about Trey's request to be traded. It is as simple as that. Kyle broke it down and basically said Trey returned to his offie as requested to be traded.

The blunt fact of the matter is Trey is not worth the drama.

Take Papa's report of the constant turnovers running the scout team, the dude was not really for the NFL, and Kyle STILL built an offense to give him a chance to get reps as a starter in the NFL. That absolutely would not have happened if Trey was a 6th round pick. The 49ers did right by Trey.

You are either loosing games you can't dominate on the ground with Trey until he gets it as a QB1, or set him to QB 3 because he can't run the scout team. If trey is going to start leaking to the press, and he says he wants out....yeah...you get him off the team.

My feelings on Trey have turned 180 degrees, I am glad he is no longer our problem.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

Sam is only here for one year. I doubt if he'll be here longer than that - if they can get Zack Wilson level talent from Saleh or somebody else for dirt cheap.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Kyle is being diplomatic about Trey's request to be traded. It is as simple as that. Kyle broke it down and basically said Trey returned to his offie as requested to be traded.

The blunt fact of the matter is Trey is not worth the drama.

Take Papa's report of the constant turnovers running the scout team, the dude was not really for the NFL, and Kyle STILL built an offense to give him a chance to get reps as a starter in the NFL. That absolutely would not have happened if Trey was a 6th round pick. The 49ers did right by Trey.

You are either loosing games you can't dominate on the ground with Trey until he gets it as a QB1, or set him to QB 3 because he can't run the scout team. If trey is going to start leaking to the press, and he says he wants out....yeah...you get him off the team.

My feelings on Trey have turned 180 degrees, I am glad he is no longer our problem.

Any other fan the FO can get to feel this way with their messaging in this current environment is a win. Don't be a sucker, lol. Trey is a great kid and a useless, overly expensive, asset to us.

Ok now I'm really done. Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

You really just write that? like that has anything to do with football?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

If you listen to this and can't understand that it was in their mutual interest, at best (and likely strictly because the team wanted to make the move), then I can't help you.

You also only addressed one thing I said in regards to the evidence... the moves they made (Darnold/Allen). It had been reported for months that we could trade him. And then we did actually trade him. Ate ~ 14 million in the process. Traded him to a playoff rival. Got a 4th round pick only. After paying him 27 million for nothing. A guy with no leverage whatsoever.

You have moved the goal posts. At first you argued Shanahan traded Trey without Trey's consent, and now you are saying it was "in their mutual interest."

Now, that still doesn't change the fact that Kyle said he told Trey they wanted him here. As it regards to this:

"It had been reported for months that we could trade him."

John Lynch said they weren't trying to do so. "Could" was mere speculation. That decision wasn't made until last week, by Trey, according to Kyle.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans.

The comments weren't even remotely vague. You are still arguing that Kyle was lying about what he said to Trey, and that Trey has no problem with Kyle lying about that situation. And you still have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to base that on OTHER than your narrative, which you ASSUME to be true, and thus it is your evidence. You're like a young earth creationist here. It's circular reasoning.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.

We would if we didn't think much of his chances of hurting us. He's got two years left. He's not going to be a Cowboy beyond that. They traded for him most likely to re-trade him for higher value later. Moreover, again, Kyle has stated the preference was to keep him as QB3, but that they offered him the choice. For QUARTERBACK THREE! That's the part you're not factoring in. Why would Kyle be afraid of QUARTERBACK THREE? That is a big reason why the choice was given to Trey in the first place. It hardly hurt the team to give him away, other than depth. They sacrificed depth for a 4th round pick. Given that a 4th round pick can get second string QBs, it's not a terrible sacrifice. But on the other hand, Trey has some physical talent, which is also why they would have kept him had he wanted to stick around (per what they said).

The evidence for your narrative IS your narrative, and a whole lot of speculation which requires everyone involved to be lying either direction or by omission (Trey), all because you think the 49ers should value a THIRD STRING QB so much that the possibility that they could be happy either with him here or with a draft pick, which allowed them to give the player some agency, seems impossible to you. As I said previously, they've done more for players in the past simply because of good will built up. There is absolutely ZERO reason for either their claims to be false OR for them to lie about. None. They told the truth because they have zero incentive to lie. It's not even an unreasonable situation. There's nothing unreasonable about a team deciding that the relationship with the THIRD STRING QB is worth enough to give him the choice of whether he wants to remain as QB3 or be traded for a third day pick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

You really just write that? like that has anything to do with football?

i didn't know sam darnold the grey evolved yet

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're cherry picking.

"He told us that he would like another opportunity to go somewhere where he had the chance to be the (No. 2 QB). There were a number of teams involved. To end up getting the (fourth-round pick) was a little better than we anticipated. It clears up a lot of money and it allows a better situation for him, too"

"I said we'd like to keep him here as the (No.) 3. We also wanted to do what was good for him, too, and we'll see how this plays out."

"I told him he was going to be the 3, if he could find another opportunity that was good, we'd allow him to do that. And we did."

"We talked about all the situations. I told him how much I wanted him here to be the 3. I also told him what I think is best: Trey needs an opportunity to play. When he's had those two opportunities here, he's gotten hurt in both of them and missed that window a little bit. It gave an opportunity for someone else to do it. Trey needs that again. He didn't get that here. I told him that's what I think is best, if he can find an opportunity. If he doesn't and he wants to be here, we want him here. Trey took a little bit of time to think about it, came back and said he'd like to find another spot if he can. That's when we started to look into it, his agent and us."

They. Literally. Gave. Trey. The. Choice.

The evidence contradicts your narrative. Your argument is that the evidence is a collection of falsehoods. Which means, as I told SmokeyJoe, the evidence for your narrative IS your narrative.

If you listen to this and can't understand that it was in their mutual interest, at best (and likely strictly because the team wanted to make the move), then I can't help you.

You also only addressed one thing I said in regards to the evidence... the moves they made (Darnold/Allen). It had been reported for months that we could trade him. And then we did actually trade him. Ate ~ 14 million in the process. Traded him to a playoff rival. Got a 4th round pick only. After paying him 27 million for nothing. A guy with no leverage whatsoever.

All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans. If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.

good summary Smokey, you can only those who want help

Blind speculation because your intuition tells you something is not evidence. The only evidence that isn't tainted by speculation is what has been said.

That video literally says, "We'd like to keep him here as a 3, but we'd like to do what's good for him too."

You're right. You can only help those who want help. I live in reality. That's the difference here.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Blind speculation because your intuition tells you something is not evidence. The only evidence that isn't tainted by speculation is what has been said.

That video literally says, "We'd like to keep him here as a 3, but we'd like to do what's good for him too."

You're right. You can only help those who want help. I live in reality. That's the difference here.

Go to the Trey thread in NFL general. I responded to you there.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

Lmao what's wrong with Slingin sammy being white?!

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
#teamAlex

#team49ers
which means #teamBCB

back in the day I was off the Alex wagon in 07, back on again in 11, back off again in 12, it was a bumpy ride lol

Lol I've liked all of them personally outside of guys like Hoyer, Sudfield, and career bust but white Sam Darnold .

Lmao what's wrong with Slingin sammy being white?!

Kyle's a racist remember?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Blind speculation because your intuition tells you something is not evidence. The only evidence that isn't tainted by speculation is what has been said.

That video literally says, "We'd like to keep him here as a 3, but we'd like to do what's good for him too."

You're right. You can only help those who want help. I live in reality. That's the difference here.

Logically, we wouldn't send a player that we like and believes has upside to a conference rival. Especially not for a fourth round pick. No one in the nfl likes someone that much to where they'll send a guy they really believe will become a good player to one of the teams in their way of a championship, especially at quarterback.

I've said it many times, it's not what Kyle and John say - the truth is in what they don't say and what they do. Their actions tell you exactly what they're planning on doing and what they believe. That's why some of us were able to see what the team was planning on doing all off season.

But at the end of the day, there is no way in hell we would send Trey to the cowboy (conference rival and historical rival) if they believed he was going to be a good player. No team would do that, idc how much they like a player. Where they sent Trey tells us all we need to know about how they actually feel about him as a football player and what they believe his upside is.