QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

Not to harp on ball velocity, which obviously would make New York happy (or unhappy) but I looked some things up because I was curious about Colt McCoy in particular since New York mentioned him.

Actually on the first page of results it said Brees had a velocity of I believe 52 mph which is below Brock's. So who knows, maybe Brock has a stronger arm than Brees. Brees was never regarded to have a cannon and in fact, arm strength, size, and Joe Tiller's system were all question marks on him coming out of college. Which, if I recall he still went high second round in the draft.

I'll say this. Ball velocity is obviously not the be all end all. But what I believe it does so is the capability to make the throws necessary to succeed in the NFL. I can't throw a ball 56-57 mph (football) and probably none of you can. Not only because I'm 47 but I wasn't an athlete, was typically smaller, etc when I was younger. And that in and of itself isn't that important. What is a little more important is if Brock is above the median/average there, and he seems to be , than he isn't weak armed.

Jeff Blake, when he played, and he was pretty good, was known to have one of the prettiest and best/most accurate deep balls in the league. I don't think anyone thought he had a stronger arm than say, Dan Marino or Brett Favre. Which obviously both of them can complete a deep ball.

But it's just one of those things. People thought Jimmy had a "noodle arm", or weak arm because he wasn't very accurate with a deep ball. That's not really always the most accurate thing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Yep he has around an average arm. Its not a positive or a negative. Its good enough for what our team needs. Its the other qualities that bring him to the upper tier of QBs.

For sure his other qualities make up for other deficiencies. He's clearly doing just fine. His arm strength however is not good, it's below avg imo…which isn't the end of the world.

I don't think it's below average what about Sam Howell, or D Jones, or Pickett, or Dak? You think those guys have cannons NY? I could name half the league. Only a few truly next level dudes. Heck we took Alex Smith #1 overall, he had no cannon. Was he a better thrower of the football than pick 262? In terms of the arm talent, really? Some ppl can't get over the draft status..

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Dear Lord, not the "plus arm strength" guy again.

I can't lol

He will die on this hill

I didn't bring it up bro. I'm also not wrong. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms? You can't. It's also doesn't mean he's a bad QB. People just get all bent out of shape if anything critical is said about their QB. Next ya'll gonna tell me Brock is 6-4 and 230lbs

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by dj43:
Now, this may sound like blasphemy, but hear me out. I am old enough to have seen nearly every home game Joe Montana played. The way the ball gets to the receiver from Brock Purdy reminds me very much of Montana. It is always a catchable ball that arrives at just the right time.

One contrast that I recall: There was a time in the mid-80s, I don't remember the year, when Montana was hurt and Walsh brought in Jeff Kemp who had a rocket arm compared to Joe. Early in the first game, Kemp tossed one 50 yards down the sideline to a streaking Rice for a long game. We were all jazzed. Some went so far as to say Joe's job might be in danger. However, by the end of the second game, we were all glad to have Joe back. Kemp had proven what we all know - arm strength is not the end all be all. (stating the obvious)

This. And it's not blasphemy, I know those of us who watched Montana probably feel, well I feel, a little guilty-or something- lol by saying Brock reminds me of Montana. Because we reserve that for the highest of standards. It is the highest praise. But he definitely does remind me of Montana. And he did pretty quickly and cannot say that about any other 9ers qb besides Young. Just the facts lol. And those of us who did watch Montana wouldn't really mention the likeness if it wasn't really true. I sure have not said any other 9ers qb was like Montana or Young. Because they simply have not been so. But BP is at another level.

HIM lol

It's not blasphemy at all. He definitely reminds me of Joe, and I'm old enough to have watched all of Joe's games. Purdy has that instinct to simply make the right play, particularly when the play structure breaks down. This is a perfect example (among many others):

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

I said his arm strength is bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms?

Rodgers

Hmmmm

mac Jones

pickett after seeing him. Certainly no better.

Daniel jones

maybe geno?

Tbh I'd say we frame this differently. I'd say there are a good ten guys who have rockets. 2-3 elite? The rest are marginal in comparison to each other.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Dear Lord, not the "plus arm strength" guy again.

I can't lol

He will die on this hill

I didn't bring it up bro. I'm also not wrong. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms? You can't. It's also doesn't mean he's a bad QB. People just get all bent out of shape if anything critical is said about their QB. Next ya'll gonna tell me Brock is 6-4 and 230lbs

Well bro, who the f cares about arm strength? Brady Brees and Peyton Manning (towards the end of his career) all had weak arms. Whoever brought it up, doesn't mean you have to ALWAYS retort with "I'm not wrong" or answer them back. Sounds like a kid arguing with their parents. Let it go

this is part of a QBs draft profile let me know what you think

"Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral."

can anyone name the QB?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Dear Lord, not the "plus arm strength" guy again.

I can't lol

He will die on this hill

I didn't bring it up bro. I'm also not wrong. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms? You can't. It's also doesn't mean he's a bad QB. People just get all bent out of shape if anything critical is said about their QB. Next ya'll gonna tell me Brock is 6-4 and 230lbs

Dude you gotta let this go. This is like having Kate Beckinsale as your wife and complaining that she has small breasts. I mean really lol.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

I said his arm strength is bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms?

Rodgers

Hmmmm

mac Jones

pickett after seeing him. Certainly no better.

Daniel jones

maybe geno?

Tbh I'd say we frame this differently. I'd say there are a good ten guys who have rockets. 2-3 elite? The rest are marginal in comparison to each other.

If you are trying to figure out where Purdy ranks on Arm Strength, I just wouldn't compare him to starters this year. I would compare him to all QBs in the modern game to figure out where he lies on the scale. Maybe most teams this day and age go after big time arm talent and that is why most other starters this year have better arms.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Dear Lord, not the "plus arm strength" guy again.

I can't lol

He will die on this hill

I didn't bring it up bro. I'm also not wrong. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms? You can't. It's also doesn't mean he's a bad QB. People just get all bent out of shape if anything critical is said about their QB. Next ya'll gonna tell me Brock is 6-4 and 230lbs

Dude you gotta let this go. This is like having Kate Beckinsale as your wife and complaining that she has small breasts. I mean really lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Dear Lord, not the "plus arm strength" guy again.

I can't lol

He will die on this hill

I didn't bring it up bro. I'm also not wrong. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms? You can't. It's also doesn't mean he's a bad QB. People just get all bent out of shape if anything critical is said about their QB. Next ya'll gonna tell me Brock is 6-4 and 230lbs

Dude you gotta let this go. This is like having Kate Beckinsale as your wife and complaining that she has small breasts. I mean really lol.

Exactly Furlow. It's funny you mention bc that yesterday I was saying she has got to be one of the most beautiful women ever it's just too bad she doesn't have much tits or ass. Then I smacked myself in the face and said come on she's close to a 10, even if I'm a picky son of a b***h.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

Not to harp on ball velocity, which obviously would make New York happy (or unhappy) but I looked some things up because I was curious about Colt McCoy in particular since New York mentioned him.

Actually on the first page of results it said Brees had a velocity of I believe 52 mph which is below Brock's. So who knows, maybe Brock has a stronger arm than Brees. Brees was never regarded to have a cannon and in fact, arm strength, size, and Joe Tiller's system were all question marks on him coming out of college. Which, if I recall he still went high second round in the draft.

I'll say this. Ball velocity is obviously not the be all end all. But what I believe it does so is the capability to make the throws necessary to succeed in the NFL. I can't throw a ball 56-57 mph (football) and probably none of you can. Not only because I'm 47 but I wasn't an athlete, was typically smaller, etc when I was younger. And that in and of itself isn't that important. What is a little more important is if Brock is above the median/average there, and he seems to be , than he isn't weak armed.

Jeff Blake, when he played, and he was pretty good, was known to have one of the prettiest and best/most accurate deep balls in the league. I don't think anyone thought he had a stronger arm than say, Dan Marino or Brett Favre. Which obviously both of them can complete a deep ball.

But it's just one of those things. People thought Jimmy had a "noodle arm", or weak arm because he wasn't very accurate with a deep ball. That's not really always the most accurate thing.

I agree. We are comparing guys who can throw lasers 40 yards on a rope vs who can't. But the guys who can't can still throw a 60 yard bomb with nice arch.

brees was so accurate it didn't matter. I'm seeing Brock in much the same light right now.

Aka you do not need to zip it when you throw it the next window the receiver didn't even get to yet.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Tell me what QB in the NFL hasn't underthrown passes?

Brock completed 3 of 5 passes of 20+ yards down the sideline last year with all 3 of them going for TD's. Yes. The one to Aiyuk in the TB game was a bit underthrown but he was getting blasted by a 300 lb. D lineman as he released it. The one to CMC in the same game was on a dime. The back shoulder fade to Aiyuk this past Sunday was also on the money. I believe that one was thrown from the opposite hash.

Can he throw it 60 yards off his backfoot while losing his balance? No. But that circus s**t doesn't make a QB elite. It also doesn't mean that Brock's arm is bottom tier either. Because it is not.

Completing a 20 yard pass downfield shouldn't be the proof that he has arm strength. Every single college QB and NFL QB can do that. Mac Jones can float up some "deep balls" that doesn't equal arm strength. Again people have different interpretations of what arm strength is. Clearly you and I do

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

I said his arm strength is bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms?

Rodgers

Rogers has better arm strength with a torn achilles lol. Again people can't name 5 other guys. It's okay it's not the end of the world. There's no reason to pretend it's better than it is because he's our QB. He does a ton of other s**t really well.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

I said his arm strength is bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms?

Rodgers

Hmmmm

mac Jones

pickett after seeing him. Certainly no better.

Daniel jones

maybe geno?

Tbh I'd say we frame this differently. I'd say there are a good ten guys who have rockets. 2-3 elite? The rest are marginal in comparison to each other.

If you are trying to figure out where Purdy ranks on Arm Strength, I just wouldn't compare him to starters this year. I would compare him to all QBs in the modern game to figure out where he lies on the scale. Maybe most teams this day and age go after big time arm talent and that is why most other starters this year have better arms.

Thanks, That's pretty much my original thinking. I'm subliminally comparing his arm to what I've see over a lifetime of watching football. Which is why I say his arm is normal to above average.