QB Brock Purdy Thread

Acho, McCoy and even Joy Taylor are on board now.

They know Brock_Star throws touchdowns and wins games.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
See you're kind of bailing on it still, lol.

Think about what you're saying: if we don't win a SB in his first full season starting then we have an answer on whether we can win a SB with him. It's pretty ridiculous honestly. It's certainly a different level of patience than you had for the big guy who could throw hard. People see this clearly in these conversations, *though maybe you aren't talking just this season*?

Can we win a SB if Brock plays at this level consistently?

See you're twisting my words to make me sound how you want me to sound …I never said this yr, show me where we did.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
See you're twisting my words to make me sound how you want me to sound …I never said this yr, show me where we did.

I don't think I'm out on a limb here for thinking you had patience to develop Trey through the ups and downs of that process, whereas you have less for Brock because he has less talent in your eyes. Something was underpinning the incessant months long and daily arguments that were had here. The whole 'short leash' bit… the comparisons to Heinecke, Minshew, and Foles among other things.

And you still are dodging the bottom line question I posed. Either way, if you weren't just talking about this season, and will have patience with the inevitable ups and downs that will happen with Brock's own development, I'll definitely take your word for it.

When we look back on this quarterback and team in 15 years, over ten Lombardi Trophies, once again leading the league, it's going to be rather embarrassing for those who were So Late to recognize a phenom when they saw him, when it was So Obvious from his first series in relief action with no practice, and instead argued negativity and things that Do Not Matter. This is what fans Live for, and it is So Rare, and enjoyed by the fans of so few teams over a lifetime. Such a shame to miss the joy and the ride. Live, and enjoy the moment. Don't be that guy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
See you're twisting my words to make me sound how you want me to sound …I never said this yr, show me where we did.

I don't think I'm out on a limb here for thinking you had patience to develop Trey through the ups and downs of that process, whereas you have less for Brock because he has less talent in your eyes. Something was underpinning the incessant months long and daily arguments that were had here. The whole 'short leash' bit… the comparisons to Heinecke, Minshew, and Foles among other things.

And you still are dodging the bottom line question I posed. Either way, if you weren't just talking about this season, and will have patience with the inevitable ups and downs that will happen with Brock's own development, I'll definitely take your word for it.

Well in that context Purdy technically, physically has a low ceiling. I mean through conditioning he can add some zip but that's it. Not a bad thing btw just - yeah he was a 7th rounder vs a 1st for those reasons.

Purdy looks awesome. We just need to keep stacking good week after good week with his performance, he's only played like ten games. Crazy.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Well in that context Purdy technically, physically has a low ceiling. I mean through conditioning he can add some zip but that's it. Not a bad thing btw just - yeah he was a 7th rounder vs a 1st for those reasons.

Purdy looks awesome. We just need to keep stacking good week after good week with his performance, he's only played like ten games. Crazy.

Physically as a thrower for sure. But he obviously can get better at all facets of the mental side of the game like recognizing coverages etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well I talked to you a lot in the offseason and that wording harkened back to those conversations and what I think is a philosophical belief you hold: that we can win games with a player like Brock but he's not an 'elite' QB and you need an elite QB to win the SB.

I'm not sure you think we can win the SB with this type of player. That seemed like a major structural piece of your arguments to develop Trey. If I'm mistaken, I'll take your word for it.

If we win a SB with him then that's all that matters. If we don't then we will have our answer. Simple as that.

Yes you are mistaken

So every QB who didn't win a Super Bowl, was because they didn't have enough arm talent? Bro. Such a weird hill to die on.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

Oh I didn't see that. I disagree with that.

I posted it before. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not throwing a rope like mahomes or Allen. He's more like a tad weaker Brees imo. More of a classical arm if that makes sense. I would call it easily average more like above average. But again his accuracy, anticipation etc make up for it.

I said his arm strength is bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Name me 5 starting QBs with weaker arms?

Rodgers

If by arm you mean leg then yeah.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we look back on this quarterback and team in 15 years, over ten Lombardi Trophies, once again leading the league, it's going to be rather embarrassing for those who were So Late to recognize a phenom when they saw him, when it was So Obvious from his first series in relief action with no practice, and instead argued negativity and things that Do Not Matter. This is what fans Live for, and it is So Rare, and enjoyed by the fans of so few teams over a lifetime. Such a shame to miss the joy and the ride. Live, and enjoy the moment. Don't be that guy.

100% this! What is there to gain by being "cautious" and critiquing every little thing? Harping on the definition of "arm talent" and repeating over and over that he doesn't have a cannon for an arm? Several of the best QB's of all time did not have good/great arms (Montana, Brady, Manning, Brees, etc), so it's not even like it gives a QB an advantage as far as becoming an all time great.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Excuse my ignorance, I haven't followed this conversation but is there throws that Brock has missed due to his lack of arm strength? I haven't noticed any.

JTO pointed out one Sunday. On choice routes which end up going outside, you can't rely on anticipation as much as you normally would, because you can't be certain where the WR is going until he makes a move. This means you have to get the ball quickly with pure arm strength rather than anticipation. The particular play JTO pointed out was a choice route which kind of petered out at the end to McCaffrey. But it was still for a first down. All the arm strength would have done is gotten him the ball with the ability to get RAC. But the completion was still made and the chains still moved.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I don't think I'm out on a limb here for thinking you had patience to develop Trey through the ups and downs of that process, whereas you have less for Brock because he has less talent in your eyes. Something was underpinning the incessant months long and daily arguments that were had here. The whole 'short leash' bit… the comparisons to Heinecke, Minshew, and Foles among other things.

And you still are dodging the bottom line question I posed. Either way, if you weren't just talking about this season, and will have patience with the inevitable ups and downs that will happen with Brock's own development, I'll definitely take your word for it.

And here you are trying to bring up Lance in the Brock thread. I haven't talked about him at all. Do I think everything got handled poorly there? Absolutely. That's my opinion, I'm not asking you to agree with me.

quit being passive aggressive about it, you clearly don't believe me and you're constantly trying to twist my words to make it how you want it to sound. That's a you problem…not mine to persuade you.

I hope they do have some patience with him, but why would they? They've shown that they don't do that.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agree with this for the most part.

It's why it was so confusing people would overrate the Dallas Cowboys number 3 QB's arm talent. He could throw it really hard when he was planted and had space.

Brock has enough arm strength… it's definitely not a strength of his game though. I'll take everything else. Very rare to get it all.

Lance could sling it downfield off balance. He could throw it on a rope. He had other issues that only playing could help.

Brock's arm is bottom tier among starters, but again he has other attributes that help him be successful.

I am on the fence with the bottom tier statement...Purdy was listed at 52 MPH at the combine that is below the average that most normal starters achieve that are not named Drew Brees ( 52 mph clocked by the sports science show)

Of course we have the very public statement that Purdy has been coached up to 55 mph...and I think that reflects on the football field....

To tier Bock to the bottom, you have to ignore the 55mph statement or believe it is false....

I think most people would normalize a few MPH in one direction or the other as similar during a game of football. Especially considering most throws doe not max out a QBs arm.

Here are the combine velocity numbers of guys around the Arm Strength of Purdy and then.... Deshaun Watson just for context:

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)
CJ Stroud Ohio State 54 (Left) 56 (Right)
Anthony Richardson Florida 53 (Left) 54 (Right)
Kenny Pickett Pittsburgh 54 (Left) 54 (Right)
Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)
Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)
Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)
Jared Goff, California 58
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Pretty sure this isn't guys being told to throw as hard as you can. Mahomes threw over 60 in some stupid off-season game with a radar.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So every QB who didn't win a Super Bowl, was because they didn't have enough arm talent? Bro. Such a weird hill to die on.

What are you talking about? Quit trying so hard. My god you folks are so thick headed sometimes that you only read parts of comments and are so uptight that you miss everything else. Stop being so defensive for once.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Dude I named half the NFL I could give ya 40 names

Then give me 40 names of the 32 current starters (like I asked) that actually have weaker arms than Brock….

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am on the fence with the bottom tier statement...Purdy was listed at 52 MPH at the combine that is below the average that most normal starters achieve that are not named Drew Brees ( 52 mph clocked by the sports science show)

Of course we have the very public statement that Purdy has been coached up to 55 mph...and I think that reflects on the football field....

To tier Bock to the bottom, you have to ignore the 55mph statement or believe it is false....

I think most people would normalize a few MPH in one direction or the other as similar during a game of football. Especially considering most throws doe not max out a QBs arm.

Here are the combine velocity numbers of guys around the Arm Strength of Purdy and then.... Deshaun Watson just for context:

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)
CJ Stroud Ohio State 54 (Left) 56 (Right)
Anthony Richardson Florida 53 (Left) 54 (Right)
Kenny Pickett Pittsburgh 54 (Left) 54 (Right)
Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)
Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)
Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)
Jared Goff, California 58
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Cam Newton, Auburn 56

So judging by this chart (which is what I used) his arm strength is on par with Mahomes, Richardson, flacco, Herbert etc? Lol this is my point…that MPH stuff is silly and doesn't reflect what's happening on the field. Not a single objective fan believes that.