QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
on that play, is it not scheme/play design ?

Its a great scheme being executed at its highest level by great qb play. Two things being true at the same time.

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it's a PA route combo every team has in their playbook, its not some special wicked mojo Kyle dreamed up and unveiled on Sunday.... the team and Brock executed it to perfection... the play is concept is based on what is called a horizontal stretch of the deep coverage, since the field is compressed it's stressing the playside safety to make a choice, cover Deebo and ignore BA behind (which he is not aware of yet) or just sit there and do nothing... you saw the result, Brocky looked at Deebo first (which is how inside breaking routes are progressed, from inside first to outside) and let the safety run with the bobber before setting the hook to turn back and sling it to the wide open BA.... Brocky was compeletely toying with the safety and fully owned him, and held him there until he was ready to turn back and hit BA

Exactly this. People acting like Kyle is some crazy mastermind who is coming up with plays no one has ever seen before. Lol it's ridiculous. He's a great playcaller and good at antipating what the other coach is going to do. He finds mismatches. But he NEEDS a QB who can execute his offense.

There are some pass plays that Kyle dials up that seem unique to me, but for the most part, his pass play designs aren't innovative where no team has ever ran them before. Kyle's talent as a playcaller are the sequencing of his plays (setting up a defense) and the ability to anticipate what the DC is about to call. imo.

Here's that play. On this particular play, Brock looking to Deebo first, then Aiyuk, is the natural progression of the reads. Like stated above it's a horizontal stretch and most horizontal stretch plays are read inside-out (Deebo to Aiyuk).

With that outside to inside release, it sure looks to me like Deebo's route is designed to clear out that safety. But that doesn't mean he isn't the first read. Ideally, you'd use Deebo to get Brandon open, but you look at Deebo anyway, and if it's there, you throw it. If not, you're looking off the safety and linebackers naturally, leaving a gaping hole for Aiyuk.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If Purdy stared at Aiyuk the whole time, and the safety sat in the passing lane, and then picked off the pass, would it still be "great scheme?" How would you even be able to tell?

You wouldn't. You can't have "great scheme" without also having "great QB play." They go hand in hand. The opposite is true as well. It's understandable for other teams' fans to hate on Purdy and/or Kyle and dismiss their success. Why some Niners fans do it is beyond me.

9ers have had a great scheme for 6+ years now. It's finally being consistently paired with great qb play.

Purdy is taking the scheme to another level because so far he's playing the position on a level we haven't seen before. That's what the clips consistently show. Better eyes, better footwork, better pocket presence, better reading of the defense. All of it.

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How was that "great scheme" when the QB was:

Hoyer?
Beathard?
Trey?

Terrible. It was solid with Mullens but his success wasn't sustainable due to lack of physical talent. The scheme worked great under Jimmy, but Jimmy couldn't stay healthy and couldn't make plays outside of the scheme.

Now we have both in Purdy. Why some continue to downplay Purdy's ability to maximize Kyle's scheme and instead dismiss his amazing play as simply being a product of "Kyle's scheme" is weird and proves some still have an agenda.

Who has done that?

Lol stop it.

The guy who ranked Purdy as 23rd (and Tua as 12th; same scheme...).

Originally posted by Montana:
Steve Young didn't have a strong arm. ..lol yeah, his legs weren't much either haha..

https://www.49ers.com/video/steve-young-s-entire-hall-of-fame-career-in-highlights-49ers-quarterback

Ppl gotta always pick on us lefties 😄

One of Jimmy's family members claimed Steve had the weakest arm in NFL history to me in a PM (I'm assuming it was a Jimmy family member or friend)—and the funny thing is, I've repeatedly said that Jimmy does NOT have a weak arm! I still believe he doesn't. He just has weak deep accuracy for whatever reason. Or weak consistency on his deep accuracy. You can't make those body only throws he does without having at least average to above average arm strength.

But Steve didn't have a weak arm. He wasn't Brett Favre either, but he wasn't Chad Pennington. Steve could throw the ball to every location you need in an NFL offense, and he could make off-platform throws in key moments. That's all you need in terms of arm strength to be great.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

#49ers Brock Purdy loving the vibes in Pittsburgh 🫡 pic.twitter.com/6F8rvhu8pE

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) September 14, 2023

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Ahhh...everyone of us on Sunday

Sunday Purdy. Superbowl Purdy

he has done it. he's achieved 100% approval rating, as a 49er QB. WZ history, has been made

I never thought it was possible. Hahaha this tells me that world peace is possible

Y'all crazy. There are still a few low key haters in here. Their nuance is growing though. Not sure if that's them hiding it better or actually warming up to Purdy.

hahaha I think it's more of that they just want to make sure Brock can be better than what they anticipate Lance will be.
Which I obviously disagree with but it's just part of the break up process, time will tell. I think a super bowl will make everyone happy - even if it's just for one day.

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I think the "Purdy hate" is mostly manufactured by other posters in here.

Sure, you have some posters that are biased for Trey being the guy long term, I saw some "racism" comments which were completely ridiculous, but most of that crap is on platforms like Twitter.

For me, Purdy does a lot of the things I criticized Jimmy for not doing. Ultimately, what Purdy shows is exactly what I wanted for this team, because it was never important for Trey to become the guy, it was just important we found OUR guy. I think it's clear we did just that.

I believed in Trey, but never once did I assume he would be the guy just by stepping into the building, he had to earn that and he didn't, mainly due to the combination of his rawness and injuries IMO, while I respect others may disagree.

I defended Trey from definitive comments that I believed were unknowable, or comments that were impossible to prove with such little data, but I never defended Trey when posters merely said they didn't believe in him, because I felt that was very reasonable. But since I defended Trey at all, several times I was perceived to be "team Trey" and hated Brock, when in reality, I'm team 49ers… and the 49ers are moving forward with Brock and I couldn't be happier.

Here's a clue. Defending, highlighting, and amplifying "Kyle's offense" ad nauseum in the Purdy thread.

Here's another clue. 95% of someone's posts being about Purdy's "lack of arm strength" to the point of trying to claim that he is bottom 5 in the NFL.

For whatever reason, "hater" really triggers some of you. We can use whatever word you want. Bottom line some are still negative about their outlook on Purdy and still not confident nor even hopeful that he's a franchise QB.

I watched this entire thing.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

#49ers Brock Purdy loving the vibes in Pittsburgh 🫡 pic.twitter.com/6F8rvhu8pE

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) September 14, 2023

Ahhh...everyone of us on Sunday

Sunday Purdy. Superbowl Purdy

he has done it. he's achieved 100% approval rating, as a 49er QB. WZ history, has been made

I never thought it was possible. Hahaha this tells me that world peace is possible

Y'all crazy. There are still a few low key haters in here. Their nuance is growing though. Not sure if that's them hiding it better or actually warming up to Purdy.

hahaha I think it's more of that they just want to make sure Brock can be better than what they anticipate Lance will be.
Which I obviously disagree with but it's just part of the break up process, time will tell. I think a super bowl will make everyone happy - even if it's just for one day.

I think the "Purdy hate" is mostly manufactured by other posters in here.

Sure, you have some posters that are biased for Trey being the guy long term, I saw some "racism" comments which were completely ridiculous, but most of that crap is on platforms like Twitter.

For me, Purdy does a lot of the things I criticized Jimmy for not doing. Ultimately, what Purdy shows is exactly what I wanted for this team, because it was never important for Trey to become the guy, it was just important we found OUR guy. I think it's clear we did just that.

I believed in Trey, but never once did I assume he would be the guy just by stepping into the building, he had to earn that and he didn't, mainly due to the combination of his rawness and injuries IMO, while I respect others may disagree.

I defended Trey from definitive comments that I believed were unknowable, or comments that were impossible to prove with such little data, but I never defended Trey when posters merely said they didn't believe in him, because I felt that was very reasonable. But since I defended Trey at all, several times I was perceived to be "team Trey" and hated Brock, when in reality, I'm team 49ers… and the 49ers are moving forward with Brock and I couldn't be happier.

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Here's a clue. Defending, highlighting, and amplifying "Kyle's offense" ad nauseum in the Purdy thread.

Here's another clue. 95% of someone's posts being about Purdy's "lack of arm strength" to the point of trying to claim that he is bottom 5 in the NFL.

For whatever reason, "hater" really triggers some of you. We can use whatever word you want. Bottom line some are still negative about their outlook on Purdy and still not confident nor even hopeful that he's a franchise QB.

I watched this entire thing.

You can point out that Purdy doesn't have a really strong arm just like you can say he's not real big. That doesn't mean you hate him. Those are just facts. He has a great feel for the game and finds the oen receiver quickly. Those are also facts. Neither of those statements mean you hate or love Purdy. I can't hate any QB that helps the 49ers win no matter how strong his arm or how big he is.

We are way past the "defensive coordinators will figure him out" stage.

You can't out scheme elite accuracy, anticipation, recognition and touch.

He's not a one trick pony with a small subset of skills you can neutralize. He waits for you to declare your defense of him and he dices you up.

Originally posted by okdkid:
We are way past the "defensive coordinators will figure him out" stage.

You can't out scheme elite accuracy, anticipation, recognition and touch.

He's not a one trick pony with a small subset of skills you can neutralize. He waits for you to declare your defense of him and he dices you up.

It definitely feels like a lazy cope at this point.

At least when people said the same about Kap after 2012, they actually pointed out real concerns like how infrequently he went through his reads. For Jimmy, they pointed out how he often doesn't see linebacker coverage in the middle.

Other than not detecting and responding to pressure very well on the right, there aren't any specific flaws for Purdy people have been able to point to other than "he was drafted low! He has to have so many major flaws! They'll figure him out!"

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Kyle Shanahan explains what makes Brock Purdy the "real deal" 👀

(➡️ @zennioptical) pic.twitter.com/itQymUPNoI

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) September 15, 2023

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can point out that Purdy doesn't have a really strong arm just like you can say he's not real big. That doesn't mean you hate him. Those are just facts. He has a great feel for the game and finds the oen receiver quickly. Those are also facts. Neither of those statements mean you hate or love Purdy. I can't hate any QB that helps the 49ers win no matter how strong his arm or how big he is.

I agree that Brock doesn't have a strong arm and that he isn't very big - but I feel like too many people exaggerate his size.

aaron Rodgers is 0.08 Centimeters taller than Brock. Joe montana was 0.08 centimeters taller than Brock.

for context, 0.08 centimeter is 3% of 1 inch

his arm was much weaker in college, it would if Been "less than average" in the league but with the improvements it's "above average". - so def not strong but it sure isn't weak. If anything, I'd just say Brock doesn't have the ability to make big time throws off platform.

I just feel like anyone says Brock is "small", then they need to say Steve young, Joe montana, Aaron Rodgers etc are all small guys and undersized too.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
With that outside to inside release, it sure looks to me like Deebo's route is designed to clear out that safety. But that doesn't mean he isn't the first read. Ideally, you'd use Deebo to get Brandon open, but you look at Deebo anyway, and if it's there, you throw it. If not, you're looking off the safety and linebackers naturally, leaving a gaping hole for Aiyuk.

exactly

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can point out that Purdy doesn't have a really strong arm just like you can say he's not real big. That doesn't mean you hate him. Those are just facts. He has a great feel for the game and finds the oen receiver quickly. Those are also facts. Neither of those statements mean you hate or love Purdy. I can't hate any QB that helps the 49ers win no matter how strong his arm or how big he is.

I agree that Brock doesn't have a strong arm and that he isn't very big - but I feel like too many people exaggerate his size.

aaron Rodgers is 0.08 Centimeters taller than Brock. Joe montana was 0.08 centimeters taller than Brock.

for context, 0.08 centimeter is 3% of 1 inch

his arm was much weaker in college, it would if Been "less than average" in the league but with the improvements it's "above average". - so def not strong but it sure isn't weak. If anything, I'd just say Brock doesn't have the ability to make big time throws off platform.

I just feel like anyone says Brock is "small", then they need to say Steve young, Joe montana, Aaron Rodgers etc are all small guys and undersized too.

Brock "QuadZilla" Purdy. That's one thing he has that the others mentioned don't -- gigantic and powerful legs.

He said his pupils sometimes can add 1 or maybe even 2 mph to their throws over the course of an offseason. When Purdy properly planted his feet and took full advantage of the considerable torque available in his lower body, his maximum velocity leaped by nearly 5 mph to 55 1/2 mph. To put that in context, Colin Kaepernick, a quarterback known for his big arm, threw a then-record 59 mph pass at the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine.

https://theathletic.com/4864269/2023/09/16/brock-purdy-thighs-49ers/

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Kyle Shanahan explains what makes Brock Purdy the "real deal" 👀

(➡️ @zennioptical) pic.twitter.com/itQymUPNoI

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) September 15, 2023

Who was running the hot route on this play?

It was hard to see where he was supposed to go with the ball when I watched the breakdown.

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Kyle Shanahan explains what makes Brock Purdy the "real deal" 👀

(➡️ @zennioptical) pic.twitter.com/itQymUPNoI

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) September 15, 2023

Who was running the hot route on this play?

It was hard to see where he was supposed to go with the ball when I watched the breakdown.

To Deebo is the only one that makes sense to me. On all 22, Deebo turns to the outside and sits. So if Brock was headsup, he would've hit Deebo as soon as he see Fitzpatrick came