QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Missing the occasional deep shot is going to happen, even though they were pretty wide open by NFL standards. The problem with the misses is that it lead to us going just 2-9 on third down, which is not good.

Ya but also putting up 30 points a game is good

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome

They have a good starter and a seemingly good backup as well. Taylor is a good player obviously but I don't think that trade would move the needle considerably.

They aren't going to overpay for a rb just after getting out of Zeke's contract. Plus they gotta pay Parsons.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

For a long time it was 27%, it must have drifted upwards.

The problem with that stat... that is a haves and have not stat...

Some guys have the weapons to make that work and others don't .

Somebody posted bombs being thrown to Jerry Rice earlier....lol...like duh.....Jerry fn rice...

That is like bagging on the rest of the league for not getting RAC yards from their TE....yeah...not everyone is kittle. QB is only half of that equation.

BA and Deebo are great, but seldom do you see them alone and deep

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome

They have a good starter and a seemingly good backup as well. Taylor is a good player obviously but I don't think that trade would move the needle considerably.

I think their starter is solid but not their backup. It would give them a ground and pound guy that they lack, at least at Taylor's level. Would be huge against us. Idk if they can afford it but would be scary.

I still think that at the end of the day, we have the more reliable qb. Not that Brock can easily drop 400 yards and 4 TDs if he wants, but it's the lack of putting the ball in danger that gives me confidence - where as dak tends to do that.

i can't even think of any plays Brock has had this year that are TWP, does anyone know what his TWPs are this year?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Shorter passes are easier to complete than longer passes, and you can have a greater margin of error and *still complete* those shorter passes. Longer passes don't have that same margin of error.

Those quick timing routes need to be on the money. He seems much more confident there and you can see it in his footwork.

Those deeper passes don't have to be perfect to be completions. Like JTO said they're all long foul balls that come out flat, the footwork isn't as good. He needs to develop in that area to take the next step.

And that's not a bad thing considering he is like 10 games in. I think we are all harping on it because we all know if he gets accurate deep the dude is simply serious trouble to contend with. I would assume they will be working on this.

According to GMFB he's an AI bot 🤣

they called him Bot Purdy

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20 ) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

That is most likely an average. Matt Ryan, Tua and Darnold were all 50 % last season.

It was. Across the league.

So Brock was actually above average last season at 38.5%.

He did hit Jennings on a 30 yarder back shoulder… I'm going to put him at 25%

I would say that his missed it stood out because they were open and not throw ups

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Shorter passes are easier to complete than longer passes, and you can have a greater margin of error and *still complete* those shorter passes. Longer passes don't have that same margin of error.

Those quick timing routes need to be on the money. He seems much more confident there and you can see it in his footwork.

Those deeper passes don't have to be perfect to be completions. Like JTO said they're all long foul balls that come out flat, the footwork isn't as good. He needs to develop in that area to take the next step.

Short passes are *easier* to complete than long passes. The accuracy for the short passing game is important for the YAC, but not so much for the completion itself. As for the long passes, *usually* there is a defender contesting those long balls. They are definitely not equivalent to foul balls in baseball where there is no defender preventing the catch. So accuracy is very important for those long passes.

Tell that to Trey Lance

I'm a big huge Trey Lance fan!

But once Trey gets those short passes down, he'll be deadly. He has the long ball down, because of that rocket arm. Having said that, even John Elway started winning super bowls when he started to throw shorter.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

Thats why you need an elite running attack to operate those air Coryell type offenses.

Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome

Meh, McCarthy - in my opinion - has never really had mastered the run game, or I should say doesn't really have a good feeling about the run game. Even when he won the super bowl, his run game was just above average. Kyle, on the other hand, is has a kind of Genius with the run game and all the exotic blocking that the 49er OLine does in this offense. I'm not saying the Dallas run game is bad, I'm just saying McCarthy - to me - McCarty would rather pass than run. Whereas Kyle would rather run than pass.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
This is from NFL.com… lol

"These metrics and passing score (a metric that takes into account controllable factors and performance relative to league-average expectation; see an explainer here if you'd like) are the basis of my rankings. We were able to use passing score for the first time a year ago, and now that we have two seasons' worth of data at our disposal, we can gain an even better understanding of how well the league's top quarterbacks performed when throwing passes of 20-plus air yards.

Using these numbers (and minimum requirements of 15 deep attempts and a passer rating of 90 or better), let's sort out the best deep passers of 2022, presented below in reverse order:"

The issue here is that, while those throws are necessary to complete a few times a game, they are rare. You can complete bombs, but you're likely going to lose if you're not completing slants, deep ins, deep outs and curls. The intermediate and "long" short passes are so much more important.

Yea we're getting a little carried away probably with how many are completed instead of the true purpose of the usage of deep passes over the top,...which is making teams respect a team's capability of them enough to not cheat while playing all of those slants, deep ins, outs, and curls.

True but if you stop completing them teams stop respecting them and they become wasted downs.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
The main point is that us 49er fans fully expect a Superbowl win this year. And in order to accomplish that, Brock Purdy must prove that he can throw deep ACCURATELY. All Superbowl winning QBs had make these throws at some point in order to take the cake.

Just think about all the prior Superbowl winning QBs, they could ALL throw deep, accurately.

Please show us Brock Purdy. May this not be the thing that holds this team back, in the end.

Lulz

Mods ban this guy for reminding us of this.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

We all wish he would have hit that pass, but it was wasn't necessarily a game deciding play anymore than a variety of other factors including:

- The missed plays Jimmy left on the field throughout the 4th quarter that were not deep passes.
- Going away from the run game, which was our bread and butter
- Our defense allowing a 3rd and 15 conversion and effectively collapsing overall in the 4th quarter.

Even if Jimmy converts that play the Chiefs still have the time to drive down the field and tie or win the game. It wasn't a magic bullet, lol.

Completing that ball wins the game.

But you're right. Jimmy's TRUE contribution to that loss was the two missed red zone opportunities in which he had guys open beyond the sticks AND CHOSE OF HIS OWN VOLITION, NOT KYLE'S, to throw short of the sticks to covered guys. Those two red zone opportunities are why I don't forgive him, not this ball.

Originally posted by NeKro:
trey starting today or nah?

Trey is not a 49er anymore. The continued hatred for this guy that started the moment he was drafted is unreal.

Originally posted by clara543:
I agree with many that missing these deep throws is no big deal but our standards and Shanahan's standards are not the same. According to Shannon Sharpe, he and his dad are very impatient men. They'll move onto the next QB quickly if a QB doesn't meet their standards.

They didn't move on from Trey, Trey moved on from the 49ers. ShanaLynch wanted Trey to stay with the 49ers and have Kyle continue to work with him. I would have liked Trey to have stayed with the 49ers. But Trey decided to move on and decided to go to Dallas. Good luck to Trey, and he's in a decent situation with McCarthy having developed Aaron, so I foresee good things from Trey if he can stay with MCarthy and continue to grow and develop under his coaching. As long as he gets good coaching, all the rest should be taken cared of with more reps. Trey just needs the experience to process as fast as Brock, in my opinion.

As for Brock, man o man, have we got a jewel of a player! This guy is a generational talent! A part of him is already in the Hall of Fame. I'm just hoping his career will last 20+ years!

Purdy ranked 19 on another no name qb ranking. Noodle arm game manager. Lol. Its amazing how many professional qb analysts don't get it. But then, this is the same cadre who willingly backed shanny to throw 3 1sts in the trash for 1aa ex linebacker with a decent long ball.
Ima gonna be a rock star qb analyst

Originally posted by Giedi:
They didn't move on from Trey, Trey moved on from the 49ers. ShanaLynch wanted Trey to stay with the 49ers and have Kyle continue to work with him. I would have liked Trey to have stayed with the 49ers. But Trey decided to move on and decided to go to Dallas. Good luck to Trey, and he's in a decent situation with McCarthy having developed Aaron, so I foresee good things from Trey if he can stay with MCarthy and continue to grow and develop under his coaching. As long as he gets good coaching, all the rest should be taken cared of with more reps. Trey just needs the experience to process as fast as Brock, in my opinion.

As for Brock, man o man, have we got a jewel of a player! This guy is a generational talent! A part of him is already in the Hall of Fame. I'm just hoping his career will last 20+ years!

I don't mean just Trey but their QB1s in general.

Mike Shanahan went through Brian Griese, Jake Pummer, Jay Cutler, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Colt McCoy, Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins

Kyle Shanahan has gone through C.J. Beathard, Brian Hoyer, Nick Mullens, Jimmy Garoppolo, Trey Lance and now he's on Brock Purdy

Shanon Sharpe says the father-son duo is impatient when it comes to QBs because of their extremely high standards.