QB Brock Purdy Thread

Why can't we simply be content with "He's developing".....and "he hasn't even played a full season yet but look at him".....?

It's important at this point that we have the best TEAM in the league. We don't need to manufacture him as the best QB in the league....only to bash the rest of the team when things don't get done.

Stop forcing the narrative. Enjoy the process you get to watch.

I was watching Around The Horn yesterday, and they said the weakness for the 49ers was Purdy, I don't see it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
There's so much bashing on Brock on social media it makes me sick, man.

Everyone's saying he's not good at all or solid at best because of his supporting cast.

Calling BS here 1000%.

They talk about his cast as if they forget Kurt Warner had a hall of fame RB + two hall of fame caliber WR + top 5-10 defense. He had that offensive cast in Arizona too when he went to the Super Bowl with them.

People bash Purdy for having talent around him as if it doesn't matter that he still has to make good throws to get them the ball in time, accurately and make good decisions under pressure..

You nailed it. Joe and Steve also had talent surrounding them. It's super bowl wins vs the highest competition that will get the narrative turned around. We can see the greatness in Brock, most others can't because of the Bias they have about 7th rounders and guys that aren't 6'4" and blessed with Aaron Rodger's rocket arms.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I was watching Around The Horn yesterday, and they said the weakness for the 49ers was Purdy, I don't see it.

Yeah, don't you see all the mistakes Purdy is doing, all those turn overs. Lol j/k

Lol at these people always expecting a QB to make every throw, play good every down, not make any mistakes, and not have perfect games. It's tiresome around here. Sure he's missed some throws but he made more good plays than bad and handily beat a decent defense. This expectation of perfection every game is just dumb and always has been.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

From purely a statistical analysis standpoint, it would help to know what the standard deviation around average/ QBR 50 is. Is 58 one standard deviation better than average ? Likely somewhat less.

The other thing about QBR is that I believe the successful plays are weighted by how much they changed the teams expected win % (and negative plays such as turnovers by how much they hurt win %). So the Deebo TD, since our expected win % was already high at that point, probably didn't move the needle very much and is thereby weighted less.

Originally posted by swayze:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

From purely a statistical analysis standpoint, it would help to know what the standard deviation around average/ QBR 50 is. Is 58 one standard deviation better than average ? Likely somewhat less.

The other thing about QBR is that I believe the successful plays are weighted by how much they changed the teams expected win % (and negative plays such as turnovers by how much they hurt win %). So the Deebo TD, since our expected win % was already high at that point, probably didn't move the needle very much and is thereby weighted less.

To me QBR is a nice data point, but QBR and a lot of other stats like PFF's stats have a lot of judgment bias (in a sense) in them. I.e. What exactly is air yards, a turnover worthy play, etc... those, to me are, more about judgement vs just being a Scrivner and jotting down facts. Did he make the catch or not. Did he throw a pass, or not. Those are less judgement calls than what the advanced analytical metrics' call for - in my opinion. So they have to be taken with a lot of salt (in a sense).

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I was watching Around The Horn yesterday, and they said the weakness for the 49ers was Purdy, I don't see it.

Actually the weakness for the 49ers is penalties, they always (looking at you Lenoir) commit a boneheaded penalty that results in a scoring drive. The other weakness is Wilks inexperience with his new players but that will/should fix itself in time. IMO

Originally posted by swayze:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

From purely a statistical analysis standpoint, it would help to know what the standard deviation around average/ QBR 50 is. Is 58 one standard deviation better than average ? Likely somewhat less.

The other thing about QBR is that I believe the successful plays are weighted by how much they changed the teams expected win % (and negative plays such as turnovers by how much they hurt win %). So the Deebo TD, since our expected win % was already high at that point, probably didn't move the needle very much and is thereby weighted less.

one of th3e weird things is that analysts are holding it against purdy that he executes plays like that and gets credit for those receiving yards.

can we get real? First of all, for designed bubble plays, wide screens and so on -- where a whole bunch of olineman involved -- Purdy has NO CHOICE but to run that play. There is NO DISCRETION on those plays. It's not like, he's choosing a check down option. It's Shanny's play. And maybe there is a weird option 2 if the whole thing breaks down but probably nothing realistic or has ever been practiced. SO STOP DOWNGRADING PURDY FOR RUNNING PLAYS HE HAS NO CHOICE OVER. And the same goes for any other QB in those situations.

Please keep your eye's on all the interceptions he's not throwing, all the good targets he is choosing. Sometimes he gets lucky, but a lot of times HE MAKES THE RIGHT DECISION to be discrete.

He finds touchdowns in shanny's offense. That's all we need to say. If another QB was playing the giants we would have won 15-12 and had the game come down to the last play. Isn't this more enjoyable? I think so.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol at these people always expecting a QB to make every throw, play good every down, not make any mistakes, and not have perfect games. It's tiresome around here. Sure he's missed some throws but he made more good plays than bad and handily beat a decent defense. This expectation of perfection every game is just dumb and always has been.

Same goes for the defense and the expectation of needing to force offenses to go 3 and out for the entire season

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
one of th3e weird things is that analysts are holding it against purdy that he executes plays like that and gets credit for those receiving yards.

can we get real? First of all, for designed bubble plays, wide screens and so on -- where a whole bunch of olineman involved -- Purdy has NO CHOICE but to run that play. There is NO DISCRETION on those plays. It's not like, he's choosing a check down option. It's Shanny's play. And maybe there is a weird option 2 if the whole thing breaks down but probably nothing realistic or has ever been practiced. SO STOP DOWNGRADING PURDY FOR RUNNING PLAYS HE HAS NO CHOICE OVER. And the same goes for any other QB in those situations.

Please keep your eye's on all the interceptions he's not throwing, all the good targets he is choosing. Sometimes he gets lucky, but a lot of times HE MAKES THE RIGHT DECISION to be discrete.

He finds touchdowns in shanny's offense. That's all we need to say. If another QB was playing the giants we would have won 15-12 and had the game come down to the last play. Isn't this more enjoyable? I think so.

And if a team bltizs every down a good QB should throw hot very often!

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

First of all. I did not attack anything. I am simply asking questions. If people want to get their panties in a bunch over it, that is not my problem. If I ask questions that pertain to the stat that they seem so quick to defend tooth and nail on, shouldn't they be able to answer them?

Originally posted by swayze:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So how much did the Deebo TD pass that was dead on the money weigh into the equation? That was clutch and essentially put the game away. The other TD pass to Bell was clutch also. Just trying to wrap my head around how a QB with zero clutch passes and was simply along for the ride scored higher against the same defense?

What is there to wrap your head around? He didn't look good for much of the 1st half. Is the formula supposed to just scratch that out?

It had him at 8-9% better than average. Live with it. You don't ask numbers to match up with one's own personal feelings. This isin't the point of formulas like QBR.

Attacking QBR isin't going to suddenly make him a better QB than he is right now.

From purely a statistical analysis standpoint, it would help to know what the standard deviation around average/ QBR 50 is. Is 58 one standard deviation better than average ? Likely somewhat less.

The other thing about QBR is that I believe the successful plays are weighted by how much they changed the teams expected win % (and negative plays such as turnovers by how much they hurt win %). So the Deebo TD, since our expected win % was already high at that point, probably didn't move the needle very much and is thereby weighted less.

So a few off throws in the first quarter weighs heavier than anything he did afterward including the 2 TD passes? And a QB against the same defense that was simply along for the ride and had very little to no impact on the outcome of the game is graded higher?

Originally posted by random49er:
Why can't we simply be content with "He's developing".....and "he hasn't even played a full season yet but look at him".....?

It's important at this point that we have the best TEAM in the league. We don't need to manufacture him as the best QB in the league....only to bash the rest of the team when things don't get done.

Stop forcing the narrative. Enjoy the process you get to watch.

He's a lot more than that. Watch the games. He's the best QB since Montana and Young. It's not even close.