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Sep 26, 2023 at 7:12 PM
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Actually ya it was accurate, if he threw it more in front of Jennings then the safety picks it off (safety was playing mlb)

That is what I have observed as well. Purdy may seem inaccurate on passes where he is fitting it into tight windows. But with closer examination, you can see that he is keeping it out of harms way and putting it only where his receiver can make a play. He did put the ball in harms way twice though early in the giants game. Other than that, he has been pretty damn accurate.

There are a lot of throws like this. Where it appears when watching it live the ball could have been placed much better but in reality it is thrown their because that is where the lane to throw is. Also some throws that seem behind sometimes is his him leading the receiver away from a defender coming down. Just because a throw isn't on the numbers or leading the receiver forward doesn't mean that it isn't an accurate throw.

Agreed.
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:14 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Actually ya it was accurate, if he threw it more in front of Jennings then the safety picks it off (safety was playing mlb)

AGree 💯%, JTO broke this play down in detail in his Brock Week 3 video. Purdy had to shade it a bit right to avoid the safety playing the Middle backer. Ended up a bit behind Jauan. Looked inaccurate, but actually, it was accurate.



JTO's breakdown of this play starts at about 4:10 into the video and he does not seem to agree that this was actually an accurate pass.
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:21 PM
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's hitting guys fine. The accuracy is great. Not sure what you are seeing. But it's not happening.

I know right??? He's missed a few but he's IMPROVED in the intermediate range 10-19 yards to ONLY 90%!!! He broke the ALL TIME RECORD last year and is much higher this year

It's a really dumb narrative. He's very accurate. We can win the Super Bowl with this.
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:27 PM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's a really dumb narrative. He's very accurate. We can win the Super Bowl with this.

ya ball placement could be better but it isnt inaccurate
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:45 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Lol I'm not arguing with you - I don't mean it come off that way. I just consider someone "inaccurate" like a zach Wilson. Brock def can improve some of his ball placement and accuracy on a handful of throws, and I think he will.

im a huge Brock fan but I believe you can support someone and also constructively talk about what they need/can improve upon. Brock has played very well as a whole, but he has tons of room for improvement, which I think is super exciting.

I'm not one of those people that thinks if you critique someone's play that it means you hate them or don't like their overall play. Lol talking on here about things can easily get taken out of context because some of us have different definitions for some works, which isn't a big deal.
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:49 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
His accuracy and ball placement have been a bit off this year compared to last. I think his decision making and pocket presence has been even better than last year, but even on his short throws he's not hitting guys in stride as much as he was.

I think he's doing a much better job of stepping up in the pocket and not bailing out so fast. I think his accuracy has been off but I think that's teams just making his bread and butter plays a little more difficult, which he's adjusted to nicely. A lot of the plays that I've seen him off on, he seems to be dealing with pressure and he's got his feet too close together - at least from JTOs videos.

Agree, I don't see him as inaccurate. I think it's more on the offensive line, specifically Burford and McKivitz and them giving up some pressure and having a dirty pocket where Brock has to move sideways or up in order to throw. I think teams are also - as others have said - trying to make his job harder in hitting those gimme throws. I think he's as close to 100% recovered if not even better than 100%.

I totally disagree. His inaccuracy early this season has had very little to do with the OL. Thankfully, he has always seemed to figure it out and it hasnt cost us. He is still playing at a very high level, but it would be nice if the accuracy stepped up a notch.

I don't think he's been inaccurate, but he's been off on some throws that he usually hits on. Really that was just early in the giants game and then a few here and there throughout the other two games. For the most part he's been accurate, I mean he's at 67% - that's really good.

he's had a couple that were behind the receiver, and have typically been caught, but those can be better. He hasn't been perfect but he's been damn, IMO.

it's early in the season, so I don't fret it too much. He's done more than enough to where we are winning and I just expect to see him and the team to gradually improve week for week. The team has been playing awesome but there is still so much to clean up and they could play better. Fortunately, they've been doing the important stuff right for the most part.

If you are talking about that throw behind Jennings, you all need to go check out the all-22 footage and see what would have happened if he had led Jennings on that play. That ball would've been picked by the safety coming over from the offensive left. Folks just looking for stuff to criticize when they really do not know what is going on around the actual play.
Sep 26, 2023 at 7:54 PM
It isn't that hard, the throw was behind Jennings and the defender almost got his hand on it. If he led Jennings then it woulda been picked. If that's an inaccurate throw then idk what to tell you.
Sep 26, 2023 at 8:07 PM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Actually ya it was accurate, if he threw it more in front of Jennings then the safety picks it off (safety was playing mlb)

That is what I have observed as well. Purdy may seem inaccurate on passes where he is fitting it into tight windows. But with closer examination, you can see that he is keeping it out of harms way and putting it only where his receiver can make a play. He did put the ball in harms way twice though early in the giants game. Other than that, he has been pretty damn accurate.

There are a lot of throws like this. Where it appears when watching it live the ball could have been placed much better but in reality it is thrown their because that is where the lane to throw is. Also some throws that seem behind sometimes is his him leading the receiver away from a defender coming down. Just because a throw isn't on the numbers or leading the receiver forward doesn't mean that it isn't an accurate throw.

Agreed.

He has done this enough now..... I am not sure if he is turning his WR to absorb or lessen a big hit, or if it is because he is seeing interception risk if the ball is bobbled. One of those throws there was a lurking safety that had an angle on the ball if the WR wiffed the catch and it appeared Purdy turned the WR to change the angle the safety could have had on a bobbled pass... That almost pick to Kittle at the start of the NYG game would be a very similar situation that you would expect some nuance on the ball...NOT high and NOT inline with the defender...and yet it changed Kittle into defender to save a turnover.

So it could be any number of things...could just be a few bad passes, or could be a tactical choice by Brock on how that ball arrives at the Target.

Early in Steve Young's SF career he was getting Jerry Rice killed....he was throwing him right into contact regularly. There was sideline shots of the two going at it and of Steve apologizing, it appears that at least some of these throws by Brock are trying to avoid that.

Either way, every QB has misreads and bad passes especially young QBs in their first 20 or so starts....at least we are seeing some pretty advance nuance in Purdy very early in his career.
Sep 26, 2023 at 8:23 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's hitting guys fine. The accuracy is great. Not sure what you are seeing. But it's not happening.

I know right??? He's missed a few but he's IMPROVED in the intermediate range 10-19 yards to ONLY 90%!!! He broke the ALL TIME RECORD last year and is much higher this year

It's a really dumb narrative. He's very accurate. We can win the Super Bowl with this.

No one is saying he's inaccurate. And yes we can win the Super Bowl with this. But he's just a bit off from where he was last year. Y'all need to relax lol. We have high standards for Purdy, that means he's GREAT.
Sep 26, 2023 at 8:28 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
No one is saying he's inaccurate. And yes we can win the Super Bowl with this. But he's just a bit off from where he was last year. Y'all need to relax lol. We have high standards for Purdy, that means he's GREAT.

He's basically still a rookie till he hits 17 games. Was Trevor this good less than a year in? Any other QB with less than half a season under his belt dating back to Mahomes?

He looks pretty awesome to me. Revisit in two years.
[ Edited by 9erson3 on Sep 26, 2023 at 8:30 PM ]
Sep 26, 2023 at 8:41 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
His accuracy and ball placement have been a bit off this year compared to last. I think his decision making and pocket presence has been even better than last year, but even on his short throws he's not hitting guys in stride as much as he was.

I think he's doing a much better job of stepping up in the pocket and not bailing out so fast. I think his accuracy has been off but I think that's teams just making his bread and butter plays a little more difficult, which he's adjusted to nicely. A lot of the plays that I've seen him off on, he seems to be dealing with pressure and he's got his feet too close together - at least from JTOs videos.

Agree, I don't see him as inaccurate. I think it's more on the offensive line, specifically Burford and McKivitz and them giving up some pressure and having a dirty pocket where Brock has to move sideways or up in order to throw. I think teams are also - as others have said - trying to make his job harder in hitting those gimme throws. I think he's as close to 100% recovered if not even better than 100%.

I totally disagree. His inaccuracy early this season has had very little to do with the OL. Thankfully, he has always seemed to figure it out and it hasnt cost us. He is still playing at a very high level, but it would be nice if the accuracy stepped up a notch.

I don't think he's been inaccurate, but he's been off on some throws that he usually hits on. Really that was just early in the giants game and then a few here and there throughout the other two games. For the most part he's been accurate, I mean he's at 67% - that's really good.

he's had a couple that were behind the receiver, and have typically been caught, but those can be better. He hasn't been perfect but he's been damn, IMO.

it's early in the season, so I don't fret it too much. He's done more than enough to where we are winning and I just expect to see him and the team to gradually improve week for week. The team has been playing awesome but there is still so much to clean up and they could play better. Fortunately, they've been doing the important stuff right for the most part.

If you are talking about that throw behind Jennings, you all need to go check out the all-22 footage and see what would have happened if he had led Jennings on that play. That ball would've been picked by the safety coming over from the offensive left. Folks just looking for stuff to criticize when they really do not know what is going on around the actual play.

I know, I've seen that. As a whole, I think brock has been accurate. That doesn't mean he hasn't been off on some passes. That's why I said I wouldn't say he's been in accurate, I just think he has room for improvement - which is normal. I love Brock and am one of his biggest fans. Lol I'm excited to watch him keep growing every week, he's done an excellent job of adjusting
Sep 26, 2023 at 11:37 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
His accuracy and ball placement have been a bit off this year compared to last. I think his decision making and pocket presence has been even better than last year, but even on his short throws he's not hitting guys in stride as much as he was.

I think he's doing a much better job of stepping up in the pocket and not bailing out so fast. I think his accuracy has been off but I think that's teams just making his bread and butter plays a little more difficult, which he's adjusted to nicely. A lot of the plays that I've seen him off on, he seems to be dealing with pressure and he's got his feet too close together - at least from JTOs videos.

Agree, I don't see him as inaccurate. I think it's more on the offensive line, specifically Burford and McKivitz and them giving up some pressure and having a dirty pocket where Brock has to move sideways or up in order to throw. I think teams are also - as others have said - trying to make his job harder in hitting those gimme throws. I think he's as close to 100% recovered if not even better than 100%.

I totally disagree. His inaccuracy early this season has had very little to do with the OL. Thankfully, he has always seemed to figure it out and it hasnt cost us. He is still playing at a very high level, but it would be nice if the accuracy stepped up a notch.

I don't think he's been inaccurate, but he's been off on some throws that he usually hits on. Really that was just early in the giants game and then a few here and there throughout the other two games. For the most part he's been accurate, I mean he's at 67% - that's really good.

he's had a couple that were behind the receiver, and have typically been caught, but those can be better. He hasn't been perfect but he's been damn, IMO.

it's early in the season, so I don't fret it too much. He's done more than enough to where we are winning and I just expect to see him and the team to gradually improve week for week. The team has been playing awesome but there is still so much to clean up and they could play better. Fortunately, they've been doing the important stuff right for the most part.

If you are talking about that throw behind Jennings, you all need to go check out the all-22 footage and see what would have happened if he had led Jennings on that play. That ball would've been picked by the safety coming over from the offensive left. Folks just looking for stuff to criticize when they really do not know what is going on around the actual play.

I know, I've seen that. As a whole, I think brock has been accurate. That doesn't mean he hasn't been off on some passes. That's why I said I wouldn't say he's been in accurate, I just think he has room for improvement - which is normal. I love Brock and am one of his biggest fans. Lol I'm excited to watch him keep growing every week, he's done an excellent job of adjusting

Meh, people are picking nits, in my opinion. Brock is pretty accurate a huge majority of the time. On occasion he's not accurate (three overthrows in the rams game). But like you said, for a rookie/2nd year player that's not had much starting experience, he's great.
Sep 26, 2023 at 11:39 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Actually ya it was accurate, if he threw it more in front of Jennings then the safety picks it off (safety was playing mlb)

AGree 💯%, JTO broke this play down in detail in his Brock Week 3 video. Purdy had to shade it a bit right to avoid the safety playing the Middle backer. Ended up a bit behind Jauan. Looked inaccurate, but actually, it was accurate.



JTO's breakdown of this play starts at about 4:10 into the video and he does not seem to agree that this was actually an accurate pass.

Well I think it was perfectly placed.

Just my opinion of course. I think if he would have led Jennings, as others have said, it would have been a pick by the safety. I'll take the win, and any inaccuracy any time, vs accuracy and a loss.
Sep 27, 2023 at 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You are just arguing semantics then. You dont think he has been inaccurate, just off. Thats the same thing dude.

And when are we going to stop using completion percentage as a means of judging accuracy. Would you describe the following play to be an accurate throw?


I wouldnt, in spite of it being a completion.

And I am not accusing you of this, but just to reiterate, I have been very happy with Brock this year and so far in general. I think he has IT, and he could be a good one for a very long time. Criticism =/= hate.

Actually ya it was accurate, if he threw it more in front of Jennings then the safety picks it off (safety was playing mlb)

AGree 💯%, JTO broke this play down in detail in his Brock Week 3 video. Purdy had to shade it a bit right to avoid the safety playing the Middle backer. Ended up a bit behind Jauan. Looked inaccurate, but actually, it was accurate.



JTO's breakdown of this play starts at about 4:10 into the video and he does not seem to agree that this was actually an accurate pass.

Well I think it was perfectly placed.

Just my opinion of course. I think if he would have led Jennings, as others have said, it would have been a pick by the safety. I'll take the win, and any inaccuracy any time, vs accuracy and a loss.

I agree with JTO here, if he lead that pass and hit him in stride it goes for another 15 yards or even td with the way Jenning runs. There was no way that safety was going to make a play on that ball lol.....
[ Edited by DRCHOWDER on Sep 27, 2023 at 12:19 AM ]
Sep 27, 2023 at 2:02 AM
Originally posted by Furlow:
After 3 weeks, here is where Purdy ranks among NFL QB's:

Passer rating (106.3) - 4th
QBR (78.8) - 2nd
Yards/game (245.3) - 10th
Yards/attempt (8.1) - 2nd
Completion % (67.0) - 12th
TD % (4.4) - 10th
INT % (0.0) - 1st

Advanced stats are promising:

EPA - 2nd
CPOE - 17th
Success % - 6th
Air yards - 5th
YAC - 3rd
aDOT (depth of target) - 24th
Win probability - 4th
PFF - 20th
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