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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
He was credited with 2 of them in the PIT game which were his 2 fumbles and 2 in the giants game probably didn't include the 1 Kittle got his hand on.

the one Kittle got his hand on was a INT on a platter, Kittle rescued him, that was the most INT worthy of the year imo

I fully expect everyone on our offense to make that kind of play. Not really a bail-out.

It's not like he threw it to a lone defender who let it bounce of his chest.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Maybe it was included. I mean its not like they break the TWP down by play.

On a positive note. Brock's passing stats from 10 yards plus this season.

22 of 29 (75.9%) for 401 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, 19.8 ADoT, 12.5 YPA with a passer rating of 131.8.

32% of his passes have been beyond 10 yards. Anyone calling our boy a dink and dunk QB should never discuss football ever again.

that aspect means it's utterly worthless imo
i demand advanced stats transparency

They don't do that for any other stat.

if they are gonna take the time to watch each throw and come to conclusions, they can share their work
you learn that in 3rd grade, show your math / proof
that would be a more robust conversation, in terms of which one was and which one shouldn't be, based on their methodology
if they want to say the answer is 4 and go take a hike if you want to know which ones, i find that laughable
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Maybe it was included. I mean its not like they break the TWP down by play.

On a positive note. Brock's passing stats from 10 yards plus this season.

22 of 29 (75.9%) for 401 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, 19.8 ADoT, 12.5 YPA with a passer rating of 131.8.

32% of his passes have been beyond 10 yards. Anyone calling our boy a dink and dunk QB should never discuss football ever again.

that aspect means it's utterly worthless imo
i demand advanced stats transparency

They don't do that for any other stat.

if they are gonna take the time to watch each throw and come to conclusions, they can share their work
you learn that in 3rd grade, show your math / proof
that would be a more robust conversation, in terms of which one was and which one shouldn't be, based on their methodology
if they want to say the answer is 4 and go take a hike if you want to know which ones, i find that laughable

Wait they don't tell you which plays were TWP's?
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
He was credited with 2 of them in the PIT game which were his 2 fumbles and 2 in the giants game probably didn't include the 1 Kittle got his hand on.

the one Kittle got his hand on was a INT on a platter, Kittle rescued him, that was the most INT worthy of the year imo

I fully expect everyone on our offense to make that kind of play. Not really a bail-out.

It's not like he threw it to a lone defender who let it bounce of his chest.

It was an great bailout imo. Some guys have eyes on the ball don't even see the defender, and get beyond the defender.
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
He was credited with 2 of them in the PIT game which were his 2 fumbles and 2 in the giants game probably didn't include the 1 Kittle got his hand on.

the one Kittle got his hand on was a INT on a platter, Kittle rescued him, that was the most INT worthy of the year imo

I fully expect everyone on our offense to make that kind of play. Not really a bail-out.

It's not like he threw it to a lone defender who let it bounce of his chest.

It was an great bailout imo. Some guys have eyes on the ball don't even see the defender, and get beyond the defender.

What I can't understand about that play is why Kittle didn't make an attempt to catch it. Even a one handed catch. It's like he decided before he even got to the ball, "I'm going to bat it down."
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Maybe it was included. I mean its not like they break the TWP down by play.

On a positive note. Brock's passing stats from 10 yards plus this season.

22 of 29 (75.9%) for 401 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, 19.8 ADoT, 12.5 YPA with a passer rating of 131.8.

32% of his passes have been beyond 10 yards. Anyone calling our boy a dink and dunk QB should never discuss football ever again.

that aspect means it's utterly worthless imo
i demand advanced stats transparency

They don't do that for any other stat.

if they are gonna take the time to watch each throw and come to conclusions, they can share their work
you learn that in 3rd grade, show your math / proof
that would be a more robust conversation, in terms of which one was and which one shouldn't be, based on their methodology
if they want to say the answer is 4 and go take a hike if you want to know which ones, i find that laughable

Yes. I wish they would do that with a lot of stats.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
He was credited with 2 of them in the PIT game which were his 2 fumbles and 2 in the giants game probably didn't include the 1 Kittle got his hand on.

the one Kittle got his hand on was a INT on a platter, Kittle rescued him, that was the most INT worthy of the year imo

I fully expect everyone on our offense to make that kind of play. Not really a bail-out.

It's not like he threw it to a lone defender who let it bounce of his chest.

It was an great bailout imo. Some guys have eyes on the ball don't even see the defender, and get beyond the defender.

What I can't understand about that play is why Kittle didn't make an attempt to catch it. Even a one handed catch. It's like he decided before he even got to the ball, "I'm going to bat it down."

Better than popping it up.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Maybe it was included. I mean its not like they break the TWP down by play.

On a positive note. Brock's passing stats from 10 yards plus this season.

22 of 29 (75.9%) for 401 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, 19.8 ADoT, 12.5 YPA with a passer rating of 131.8.

32% of his passes have been beyond 10 yards. Anyone calling our boy a dink and dunk QB should never discuss football ever again.

that aspect means it's utterly worthless imo
i demand advanced stats transparency

They don't do that for any other stat.

if they are gonna take the time to watch each throw and come to conclusions, they can share their work
you learn that in 3rd grade, show your math / proof
that would be a more robust conversation, in terms of which one was and which one shouldn't be, based on their methodology
if they want to say the answer is 4 and go take a hike if you want to know which ones, i find that laughable

Wait they don't tell you which plays were TWP's?

If you watch the game you'd know. Since the eye test is all you need anyway, right?
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Sep 29, 2023 at 1:02 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.


sounds like one of those Trey Lance fabricated stats his stans would throw out there as cover for his sucky azz
Originally posted by Montana:
Good points, BP has high fb iq, not too worried, overall. I mean he will lose games eventually, he will make more mistakes here and there but his accuracy, decisions, just being damn smart with the ball has been impressive. Definitely not reckless but not afraid to make ballsy moves, because his talent allows for those. A lot more exciting to watch than Alex, not to diss Alex, just different playing styles but damn. He learns, adjusts like a mofo and won't be satisfied until he holds the trophy and even then I can see him go, "still some things I can learn and adjust on, gotta keep grinding" lol

I think Brock does a great job with being aggressive, but responsible with the ball. He had a few his rookie year that he just missed the second defender and the pick was dropped. Those are just rookie mistakes and the good news is that he hasn't continued that - like we said, he adapts and learns very quickly. Brock will make mistakes in the future, no doubt, just hope their reasonable. Lol I'm not worried about him at all in that regard.
i loved Alex the man but hated his play style. Super boring and hard to win a chip with, needs to be mistakes free ball and that's hard in the playoffs. Need to be more aggressive and create plays.

brock is a maniac about being a great player, I love it. I love his calm presence with a massive fire underneath. It's awesome.
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Maybe it was included. I mean its not like they break the TWP down by play.

On a positive note. Brock's passing stats from 10 yards plus this season.

22 of 29 (75.9%) for 401 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, 19.8 ADoT, 12.5 YPA with a passer rating of 131.8.

32% of his passes have been beyond 10 yards. Anyone calling our boy a dink and dunk QB should never discuss football ever again.

that aspect means it's utterly worthless imo
i demand advanced stats transparency

They don't do that for any other stat.

if they are gonna take the time to watch each throw and come to conclusions, they can share their work
you learn that in 3rd grade, show your math / proof
that would be a more robust conversation, in terms of which one was and which one shouldn't be, based on their methodology
if they want to say the answer is 4 and go take a hike if you want to know which ones, i find that laughable

Wait they don't tell you which plays were TWP's?

If you watch the game you'd know. Since the eye test is all you need anyway, right?

Lol right.
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Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.


sounds like one of those Trey Lance fabricated stats his stans would throw out there as cover for his sucky azz

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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It tells you nothing. If he didn't actually turn it over it's not a turnover.


I mean BP did get lucky with some that could have been ints but they just weren't, it's reaching lol. Could have been stats make no sense. Could have fumbled here, td here, sneak here, screen here, int there..I mean..lol

I don't put a ton of merit into TWP stats but I also don't think they're useless. Just cause you didn't turn it over doesn't mean you aren't being reckless and putting the ball in danger. In football, it's only a matter of time until luck will not fall your way in those situations (typically the playoffs).

i just look at it as how risky/reckless is someone being. Every qb has TWP unless you play Alex smith style (ultra conservative). I think it speaks volumes in a positive way about a qb when they can play aggressive and keep TWP low - I think that speaks to a qb having really good decision making and accuracy.

it's not an end all be all stat but you do want to see your qb being explosive while keeping that low, protecting the ball and putting their skill guys in position to succeed.

The TWP stat is very useful imo. It accounts for the INTs that hit a WR in both hands (not a TWP), and the dropped INTs that hit a defender in both hands (TWP).
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Silky:
This experience has made me realize that there are a crap ton of good football players out there that are buried on the depth chart, or not on a roster at all. There are probably some in the streets that are better than some starters right now, but will never get the chance. The roster size is limited, the draft process is not perfect at all. We fall in love with the big schools and big names coming out of college, but more times than not they do not transition into the NFL well. That's why more than ever these 3rd-7th round picks are (or will probably be) coveted more moving forward.

For whatever reason, it's downplayed in the nfl how important a quality organization with quality coaching is for a players development and potential. There are SO MANY players who careers are ruined because they went to a disaster of a situation and didn't really have a chance to succeed. Look at Geno smith, he's finally at a quality organization with good coaching and he's showing he belongs in the league - he looked awful with the jets. I think the same story could happen for someone like darnold (although idk about franchise qb but a quality player).

brady was super lucky to go to New England when he did. Montana was really lucky to be paired here with Walsh. Look at Bree's when he got to NO with Payton. Etc etc.

where a player goes and who they play for is so critical to them reaching their potential or being destroyed, it's no different than working a regular job. If you're at a crap company with crappy management - its awful and depressing, sucks the soul out of you. If you're at a good company and respect your manager, they're putting you in positions to succeed, you are happy and very productive.

We are lucky to have landed Brock but he's also just as lucky to have been selected by us. He couldn't ask for a better situation to be developed in. It's partially why I always took issue with Lance, he couldn't ask for a better situation and couldn't capitalize on it (outside of the injuries which aren't his fault). I'd be willing to bet that if darnold played, we would see the best version of him yet. I love Brock, can't wait to continue watching him each week.

Thats true of life. You can be a genius but if you only have been taught up to the 5th grade you are limited as compared to somebody who has a PhD in a certain subject matter. Where you go is going to affect a big part of where you end up. Also injuries and luck play a factor. Greg Cook was a bigger and faster and more accurate Steve Young, so says Bill Walsh, but his injuries shortened his career. Andrew Luck is another example.

I'm sure a lot of players more talented than Purdy have given up on the NFL because of bad coaching, bad parenting, or lack of perseverance on the part of the player themselves. Guys have gone to the CFL to be able to get into the NFL, same with the XFL and other organizations. The NFL isn't the only route to the NFL

As for the 49ers, it helps to have a great coach, because that give the organization a greater chance to land a great player.
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[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Sep 29, 2023 at 1:35 PM ]
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