Originally posted by tankle104:
Now that we know what he is, it's kinda obvious watching his college film. If his arm was as strong as it was after his training before his rookie year, I think he would of easily been a higher draft pick. Especially in such a weak draft. He displays so many nfl level traits
It is obvious. I actually don't watch much college football, Purdy might change that for me lol.
I am glad Pitt got Pickett lol, they can have him
I hope they're happy they drafted a Ryan tannehil with their first round pick. Lol
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol
For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.
I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.
Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao
I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.
all this jimmy slander.. lol
I've defended him a lot, and still do depending on the criticism, but the more I watch him with the raiders - the more I realize it was mainly Kyle and the talent around him. I question how well jimmy can even go through 3-4 reads after watching him recently.
More and more of the Jimmy Club will come to see the obvious. Not saying you're a card carrying member or anything.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol
For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.
I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.
Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao
I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.
I like him too. I only took issue with replacing him with Trey cause I didn't care for Trey as a prospect either. I was more than happy to replace Jimmy with Brock essentially after the dolphins game.
Julian Edelman said jimmy was kinda naive and tends to make wtf play but is a good player, which I think is accurate. He belongs in the league but I don't like him as the main player to try and win a Super Bowl. It's clear, based on what Brock's doing, that Jimmy was holding us back
Brock was an eye opener to me. A guy comes out from the 7th round level and outplays Jimmy. That just does not happen every day. Not only outplays him, but every QB rookie/first-time starter we've had since YA Tittle.
Give this guy a strong ground game (Montana/Young had Craig/Watters) and he'll never have a bad game. Give him two elite offensive tackles, and he'll dominate like Kurt did in the 2000's. CMC is Brock's Marshall Faulk. Next draft, I'd love for Kyle to find a young 220 lb Saquon Barkley/CMC in the draft to groom behind CMC. Maybe that guy is already on the team in Mason and Elijah.
Exciting times to be a 49er fan.
Yep. He has some things which really are more related to the person than coaching. Some things you are born with.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, the fact that he was pick 262 and came right in like he's been doing this his whole life, is quite remarkable. It helps that he was drafted into a great situation but it still takes a special player to be able to take advantage of it all. We've had numerous QBs here during kyles stretch that couldn't put it together, the closest was jimmy and he obviously never completely took advantage of all of it cause of his limitations as a QB.
I've been kinda waiting for him to have a rough game but idk if he will have an entire game be rough, he adapts and adjusts so quickly - it's incredible.
It is coming.....
We will get a rough Purdy game.....
It is in Purdy's DNA
The 49ers have a good defense, and Purdy can recover from a bad series....odds are the defense will cover for him.
Purdy tho by nature is a risk taker, and does not really settle all that often on "easy" throws when better throws exist.
Sooner or later Purdy will push the ball and be wrong, it happens to EVERY QB.
Joe Montana had 7 games with 3 or more interceptions, Brady had 9, Drew Brees had 18, Peyton Manning had 22, heck...Dan Marino had 24.
It happens...it is part of playing football
We will be fine, Purdy will be fine...
We are 10,000 times better off with a risk taker like Purdy who will throw that ball with anticipation betting his WR will be where he is suppose to be when he is suppose to be there then anyone of the past QBs we have had that do not throw the ball unless his target is wide ass open if at all.
I mean we went to a Super Bowl with a guy who was such a risk taker he completely ignored disguised coverage and threw to his personal read 80% of the time and to hell with the coverage. He just didn't have great vision.
Purdy has the right amount of aggression IMHO.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Sep 30, 2023 at 5:39 AM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.
It doesnt add any extra analysis imo
say aaron rodgers in his mvp season had a very high turnover worthy play percentage but only had 6 turnovers. What does that tell you? I have no clue.
It tells you nothing. If he didn't actually turn it over it's not a turnover.
It tells you how good the QB is playing—or it would if it wasn't so subjective. To act like a bad throw isn't a bad throw because it falls harmlessly incomplete is asinine.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.
It doesnt add any extra analysis imo
say aaron rodgers in his mvp season had a very high turnover worthy play percentage but only had 6 turnovers. What does that tell you? I have no clue.
I like the more objective stats. It's debatable what's worthy of a TO and what isn't. Ultimately someone has to sit down and judge, and one stat collecting agency will give one number, another agency with different methodology would give a different number. Neither may be correct. I can determine what is turnover worthy or not myself. If I want to see how turnover prone a guy is, I can look at his objective number of turnovers. Over time that stuff evens out for all QBs, the luck element
but let's switch gears how many BTTs does he have
That is my exact problem with TWPs and BTTs. Not only is the judgement subjective, but the definitions are nebulous. While they aren't without value, you can't fully trust them. But then again, on target passing and pressures have some subjectivity as well, but not as much, and they aren't as vaguely defined.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol
For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.
I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.
Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao
I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.
all this jimmy slander.. lol
I've defended him a lot, and still do depending on the criticism, but the more I watch him with the raiders - the more I realize it was mainly Kyle and the talent around him. I question how well jimmy can even go through 3-4 reads after watching him recently.
More and more of the Jimmy Club will come to see the obvious. Not saying you're a card carrying member or anything.
The point of jimmy's time here, is that he shouldn't have been treated the way he was treated. As the scapegoat for everything. By the 49er press, by the front office. We could win with Jimmy, and Jimmy can win elsewhere. Is Brock doing things Jimmy didn't? Yes. And many other qb's too. Not a knock on Jimmy. And lets not make it like shanny got nothing to clean up. he did when coaching for Jimmy, and now with brock as well. I could get into it, but that's for another thread.
Just want to end this post with, thank you Jimmy for how helped us get to the next level, and best wishes where ever you go.
Feels great baby. (4TD's that day)
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Sep 30, 2023 at 6:03 AM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.
It doesnt add any extra analysis imo
say aaron rodgers in his mvp season had a very high turnover worthy play percentage but only had 6 turnovers. What does that tell you? I have no clue.
It tells you nothing. If he didn't actually turn it over it's not a turnover.
It tells you how good the QB is playing—or it would if it wasn't so subjective. To act like a bad throw isn't a bad throw because it falls harmlessly incomplete is asinine.
Ill tell you why it's f**king stupid. Because It doesn't matter. What matters is reality. Montana threw an almost interception in 88 in the end zone in the superbowl. Nobody remembers that. They remember the Jon Taylor game winning throw. Do you know why? Because it mattered. Montana threw 4 interceptions agains rhe cowboys in 81 championship game. Nobody f**king cares. Winners win. Losers lose.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol
For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.
I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.
Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao
I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.
all this jimmy slander.. lol
I've defended him a lot, and still do depending on the criticism, but the more I watch him with the raiders - the more I realize it was mainly Kyle and the talent around him. I question how well jimmy can even go through 3-4 reads after watching him recently.
More and more of the Jimmy Club will come to see the obvious. Not saying you're a card carrying member or anything.
The point of jimmy's time here, is that he shouldn't have been treated the way he was treated. As the scapegoat for everything. By the 49er press, by the front office. We could win with Jimmy, and Jimmy can win elsewhere. Is Brock doing things Jimmy didn't? Yes. And many other qb's too. Not a knock on Jimmy. And lets not make it like shanny got nothing to clean up. he did when coaching for Jimmy, and now with brock as well. I could get into it, but that's for another thread.
Just want to end this post with, thank you Jimmy for how helped us get to the next level, and best wishes where ever you go.
Feels great baby. (4TD's that day)
Jimmy isn't winning right now. Even his star WR wants to get away from him.
If he was a better QB we would've had at least one SB. He held back an extremely talented roster
That just does not happen every day. Not only outplays him, but every QB rookie/first-time starter we've had since YA Tittle. 
CMC is Brock's Marshall Faulk. Next draft, I'd love for Kyle to find a young 220 lb Saquon Barkley/CMC in the draft to groom behind CMC. Maybe that guy is already on the team in Mason and Elijah.
