QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Pls stop

Come on game day wouldn't be the same without 9 Moon lol

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Maybe, maybe not. My pet peeve with Jimmy was his terrible durability. That's the reason ShanaLynch went after Trey Lance. Brock's durability is still a question mark for me. He was injured in the NFCCG, sort of like Jimmy also, with his shoulder and his hand in that other NFCCG/playoff game.

I personally blame Kyle for Pudy's injury. He knew Hassan Riddick doesn't do run defense and just rushes QBs. That's the problem with Kyle's play action system - if the Defense doesn't buy Kyle's eye candy, his QB is toast. I think QB durability - in general - is important in any offense, but in Kyle's fake run and throw from the naked boot pass system, durability is a premium for his QBs. I.e. its Much more important to his offense than other offenses in general, because when Kyle's QBs get hit, they get lit up, and not just hit. Contrast that to the Bellichick offense which is more of a pass first offense. Brady very rarely got injured in that offense .

I gotta agree, first thing I thought was fk Kyle, really? I haven't really forgiven some of his sh-ty decisions over the years. They got damn lucky with Purdy, at least protect the guy. I see BP mess with his hand and arm after plays, just looks like nerve zings. It's frustrating to see because it could have been prevented. Good thing he is a baller and came through. I don't know how that injury will be as he ages though. Who knows.

I think Purdy's arm will be fine. Its not a rotator cuff like Brees. Kyle knows his offense and I've already seen changes in his offense to be a more pass first offense. In the Giants game, no play actions just dump offs and quick pass games. So Kyle definitely can change his offense to protect Purdy better. He just has to get it done. I think as of last year he was still adjusting from Jimmy to Purdy, and this year I've seen offensive signs of a more pass first offense. McKivitz is a stronger pass blocker than was McGlinchey, as an example of those continuing changes to his offense.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Maybe, maybe not. My pet peeve with Jimmy was his terrible durability. That's the reason ShanaLynch went after Trey Lance. Brock's durability is still a question mark for me. He was injured in the NFCCG, sort of like Jimmy also, with his shoulder and his hand in that other NFCCG/playoff game.

I personally blame Kyle for Pudy's injury. He knew Hassan Riddick doesn't do run defense and just rushes QBs. That's the problem with Kyle's play action system - if the Defense doesn't buy Kyle's eye candy, his QB is toast. I think QB durability - in general - is important in any offense, but in Kyle's fake run and throw from the naked boot pass system, durability is a premium for his QBs. I.e. its Much more important to his offense than other offenses in general, because when Kyle's QBs get hit, they get lit up, and not just hit. Contrast that to the Bellichick offense which is more of a pass first offense. Brady very rarely got injured in that offense .

It wasn't Kyle's fault. Brock should've stepped up on that play. See Ringer's breakdown.

Originally posted by random49er:
I'd think you don't trust Tua because you're a 49er fan,...no?

I actually watched him a lot in college and like him. There is just something about him against physical defenses that I don't like, don't trust him to play well against them.

Nearly all QBs do worse than normal against a physical defense but some collapse, Tua strikes me as that type.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol

For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.

I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.

Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao

I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.

all this jimmy slander.. lol

I've defended him a lot, and still do depending on the criticism, but the more I watch him with the raiders - the more I realize it was mainly Kyle and the talent around him. I question how well jimmy can even go through 3-4 reads after watching him recently.

More and more of the Jimmy Club will come to see the obvious. Not saying you're a card carrying member or anything.

The point of jimmy's time here, is that he shouldn't have been treated the way he was treated. As the scapegoat for everything. By the 49er press, by the front office. We could win with Jimmy, and Jimmy can win elsewhere. Is Brock doing things Jimmy didn't? Yes. And many other qb's too. Not a knock on Jimmy. And lets not make it like shanny got nothing to clean up. he did when coaching for Jimmy, and now with brock as well. I could get into it, but that's for another thread.

Just want to end this post with, thank you Jimmy for how helped us get to the next level, and best wishes where ever you go.

Feels great baby. (4TD's that day)

We could win what with Jimmy? The goal is Super Bowls, hence why all those years those of us who knew kept saying he's just good enough to keep you with a high draft pick but not good enough to give you a Lombardi.

And treated badly? The dude got over 100 million for five games worth of work, and then missed all or most of three seasons. Jimmy is a good QB, but he's not a $125 million dollar QB, which is what we paid him as.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A "turnover worthy play" that wasn't actually a turnover.

It doesnt add any extra analysis imo

say aaron rodgers in his mvp season had a very high turnover worthy play percentage but only had 6 turnovers. What does that tell you? I have no clue.

It tells you nothing. If he didn't actually turn it over it's not a turnover.

It tells you how good the QB is playing—or it would if it wasn't so subjective. To act like a bad throw isn't a bad throw because it falls harmlessly incomplete is asinine.

Ill tell you why it's f**king stupid. Because It doesn't matter. What matters is reality. Montana threw an almost interception in 88 in the end zone in the superbowl. Nobody remembers that. They remember the Jon Taylor game winning throw. Do you know why? Because it mattered. Montana threw 4 interceptions agains rhe cowboys in 81 championship game. Nobody f**king cares. Winners win. Losers lose.

Want to know who has more interceptions? The guy who has more "ALMOST interceptions." "Almost interceptions" tell you your QB made a bad throw, period. A QB with a lot of almost interceptions is going to have a lot of real interceptions, because playing badly is playing badly, regardless of whether or not you got lucky.

I'll tell you what's f**king stupid: when your standard of QB play has Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino.

And the difference between Joe and Jimmy is that when Joe nearly threw an interception, he threw a touchdown right after, and in the clutch moment delivered. Meanwhile, Jimmy against the Cowboys in the playoffs, with a two score lead, tried everything in his power to LOSE the game, throwing an inexplicable interception right when the team needed him to be careful with the ball. You want to compare Joe and Jimmy? Then compare this:

460-734, 5772 yards, 45 TD, 21 INT, 95.6 passer rating, 7.8 adjusted yards gained per pass attempt.

80-132, 962 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.1 passer rating, 5.85 adjusted yards gained per attempt.

That's your playoff stats. The guy with a lot more "almost interceptions" inexplicably, MAGICALLY even, managed to actually perform worse in the playoffs. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!!?>!?!?!?! I AM AT A LOSS! SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE GUY WHO IS NEARLY PICKED OFF MORE ACTUALLY PLAYS WORSE THAN THE GUY WHO IS NEARLY PICKED OFF LESS???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? MY GOD WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!!! WHERE IS THE REASON AND SENSE OF THIS??!?!?! PLEASE JOSE HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE GUY WHO THROWS MORE ALMOST PICKS ACTUALLY IS SUCKIER THAN THE GUY WHO THROWS FEWER!!!

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't always agree with decisions made by Kyle and John but I bow to them because they know more about the players and the team than any of us do. They are there 7 days a weeks. Their jobs depend on the decisions they make. Even the Trey Lance fiasco was the right decision at the time. It turned out bd but trying to get a top QB when you have the chance is never a bad idea. For teams like the Niners that chance doesn't come around often. It's unfortunate that the 2 times they had a chance to get a QB early in the draft it wasn't a great year for QBs. When tey drafted Alex Smith he was considered to be better than Rodgers. They were really the only 2 in that class. The class that had Trey in it has faired poorly. Only Lawrence is living up to his expectations. Fields and Wilson are struggling and Jones is just okay.

What?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NFL_Draft

Yeah, their first year when we desperately needed a QB - they missed hard cause kyle was focused on getting cousins in free agency. They actually tried to trade the top 3 pick AND some (per jay gruden) for cousins but Washington wouldn't listen cause they hate the shanahans.

i think I read something that Kyle didn't really bother even looking at the QBs in the 2017 draft cause he knew the plan was to get cousins. Honestly, cousins is the worst thing that ever happened to the niners and he's never been a niner. Lol such a mediocre player who gets a ton of stats when it matters least - he usually don't do well when the game is within reach and then balls out when they're down a lot. One of the worst kind to have. We are lucky we lucked into Brock.

John Lynch alluded to it in an interview

If you want to blame Kyle instead of Jimmy for something, blame Kyle for passing on Mahomes for Cousins. That was BY FAR his biggest error.

Originally posted by Montana:
Football eve
And tonight while I browse,
Are thoughts of Brock Purdy
Taking it to the house

🏈🏈

Football's Day
An laggard I lounge
With sensual thoughts
Of Brock on mein couch.

🏈🐔🏈

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle said 'random stuff', but the Zone know it as Jimmy's WTF plays lol

For sure. Lol any real fan, whether you liked jimmy or not, knows that he had a ton of wtf plays. Plays that you can't even really explain. Lol he's had them in all his raider games too.

I've said it a million times, I like jimmy, but he has limitations. The more I've watched him with the raiders, the more I've realized how great of a job kyle did with him. The way he protected the team, and jimmy, from jimmy. Lol I love Kyle and always have, but now I have even more respect for him after watching jimmy in his first three raiders game.

Just watching Brock, its so clear how much of a better mind he has for the game. He sees the fields and reads the defenses exponentially better. Even when Brock has a bad throw/read - it's explainable. Lol it's usually he was late on the throw or he didn't see a defender. With jimmy it's like "I have absolutely no clue why he attempted or what he was thinking". Lmao

I liked Jimmy, but you can tell he's a bit of a meathead. Brock is much more cerebral and doesn't get panicky like Jimmy.

all this jimmy slander.. lol

I've defended him a lot, and still do depending on the criticism, but the more I watch him with the raiders - the more I realize it was mainly Kyle and the talent around him. I question how well jimmy can even go through 3-4 reads after watching him recently.

More and more of the Jimmy Club will come to see the obvious. Not saying you're a card carrying member or anything.

The point of jimmy's time here, is that he shouldn't have been treated the way he was treated. As the scapegoat for everything. By the 49er press, by the front office. We could win with Jimmy, and Jimmy can win elsewhere. Is Brock doing things Jimmy didn't? Yes. And many other qb's too. Not a knock on Jimmy. And lets not make it like shanny got nothing to clean up. he did when coaching for Jimmy, and now with brock as well. I could get into it, but that's for another thread.

Just want to end this post with, thank you Jimmy for how helped us get to the next level, and best wishes where ever you go.

Feels great baby. (4TD's that day)

Jimmy isn't winning right now. Even his star WR wants to get away from him.

If he was a better QB we would've had at least one SB. He held back an extremely talented roster

OOf course. It's all on jimmy. Exactly. Exactly my point.

Jimmy's Total QBR was 42.6 in the Super Bowl. This wasn't him just missing one pass. He played below average. If he played just at average, we win that game. And since the Club hates QBR when Jimmy doesn't have a good one, and pushes passer rating, his passer rating in that game was 69.2: even worse than below average. Of course it wasn't all on Jimmy. But it was more on Jimmy than anyone else. Sorry that hurts too much to accept.

But fortunately for us, if we get the same breaks, we have a QB who does two things better than Jimmy: (1) he reads defenses better, and (2) he throws fewer dumb interceptions. Oh, and he's also more mobile. I do think Jimmy is more accurate, and he has a faster release and possibly a stronger arm, and he may be better at in rhythm short throws (better at his first read perhaps). But Brock has so many little skills, in addition to the three mentioned, that make him an extremely solid game manager at worst, which is the one thing we needed in that Super Bowl: A solid game manager who converts those easy red zone third downs instead of throwing short of the marker because that's what his presnap read told him would be open.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The weirdos who carry on conversations about ex-49er qbs for years. They had to ban Alex Smith threads.

He just wins. Other than when he doesn't.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:
I'd think you don't trust Tua because you're a 49er fan,...no?

I actually watched him a lot in college and like him. There is just something about him against physical defenses that I don't like, don't trust him to play well against them.

Nearly all QBs do worse than normal against a physical defense but some collapse, Tua strikes me as that type.

What I'm trying to get at is -- just going off your post history -- you trust Brock right now more than you trust Tua. Correct?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:
I'd think you don't trust Tua because you're a 49er fan,...no?

I actually watched him a lot in college and like him. There is just something about him against physical defenses that I don't like, don't trust him to play well against them.

Nearly all QBs do worse than normal against a physical defense but some collapse, Tua strikes me as that type.

What I'm trying to get at is -- just going off your post history -- you trust Brock right now more than you trust Tua. Correct?

I think he's talking about in terms of manning up against tough defenses.

But Tua took some judo lessons in the off-season so maybe he's not as soft anymore. I don't know if that will fix his marshmallow head, but it may make him fall better.

Maybe not like this,...but dude started off hot before the injuries and everything last year as well. Cooled off later.

And I mean,...he was considered a lock for #1 overall his last year @ Alabama for a reason.

It's fine to not trust either guy right now,...but it's a shock to the system if you're gonna suggest you trust Brock right now more than you trust Tua.

Originally posted by random49er:
What I'm trying to get at is -- just going off your post history -- you trust Brock right now more than you trust Tua. Correct?

Yeah, I'd say that. Just because of how Brock held up against the cowboys defense in the playoffs last year. He wasn't incredible but didn't get shook and was solid. I've yet to see tua play like that against a top defense in the pros. He may have and I just missed it.

I like tua and he was really fun to watch in college. I'm not hating on him, just skeptical. He's off to a great start in this Buffalo game. Bills defense hasn't looked all that impressive.

It's so hard to believe team rankings this early in the season cause it's a small sample size.

Originally posted by random49er:
Maybe not like this,...but dude started off hot before the injuries and everything last year as well. Cooled off later.

And I mean,...he was considered a lock for #1 overall his last year @ Alabama for a reason.

It's fine to not trust either guy right now,...but it's a shock to the system if you're gonna suggest you trust Brock right now more than you trust Tua.

I think Brock has remained reliable regardless of the situation or the team we've played. Tua cooling down the way he did once he played us, concerns me. There are always QBs that do well against lesser teams and then blow against good defenses (cousins, Geno smith etc).

i like tua, a lot. I defended him a lot to my friends when he was in college that he would transition to the pros well. Like I said, I'm not hating. I'm just skeptical of what tier qb he is at this point,

tua slowed down when things got tough, maybe it was injuries. Tua was a drastically different qb last year in the second half Brock remained reliable and steady. That's all I'm saying. I'm not even comparing the two but to answer your question, I like/trust Brock more than tua, yes.