QB Brock Purdy Thread

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Originally posted by 49erKing:

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Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

#49ers QB Brock Purdy has (so far) simultaneously improved in time before throw, air yards per attempt and yards per attempt.

2022: 2.93 seconds, 7.0 air yds/att., 8.4 yds/att.

2023: 2.56 seconds, 7.2 air yds/att., 9.1 yds/att.

Ball out quicker but still gaining more yards.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) October 2, 2023

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Arm is definitely stronger than Montana's.

No not really. They both throw extremely catchable balls on all their different types of throws though. Both elite there.

Disagree, I remember Montana's long balls had more arch to them. Early in Montana's career (Before Rice) he had long ball issues. Which are not a big deal during the early years as he had Wendell Tyler. That Aiyuk 40+ yard throw was a flatter trajectory than Montana's usual deep throws, as I recall it.

Having a lower trajectory on deep balls all the time means your arm isn't as strong, because you have to cut out the wasted motion. You think Russell Wilson has a weak arm? His deep balls are more tear drop than anyone's I've ever seen.

The second the ball leaves your hand, the only forces working on it are gravity and friction. A high arching ball travels a further net distance than a flattened one. It takes more arm to throw more distance. QBs who depend on a flat arc for deep balls probably do not have as strong an arm as those who don't.

HOWEVER, it could also merely be a preference. The QB maybe doesn't anticipate as much as the tear drop guy and has to sling it to get it there in time, or perhaps they're paranoid about the ball taking a long time to get there.

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EDIT: before I get tarred and feathered, I'm not talking about Brock. His arm is plenty strong enough to hit every throw you need to wear a gold jacket. I'm just talking theoretically. If you HAVE to have a low trajectory to throw deep, your arm isn't as strong as someone who can easily do either.

Any science behind this? I think if someone wants to throw deep, if they have the time, and it makes sense, they "naturally" conform to throwing with a higher arc/higher trajectory. I mean that's how I feel when I play catch with the guys. If you're trying to laser it while going deep I think that actually means you have a stronger arm than most.

Yeah. Pythagoras (Extended to curves; the same principle applies, you just add up the infinitesimal distances via a line integral, but it's essentially the same thing. In Euclidean geometry, a straight line is the shortest path between two points.). A high arcing ball travels more distance. As the ball is not getting any additional force as it leaves (basic physics), what you put into it upon release is all it has. So throwing with a high arc doesn't give you some boost. That's not how physics work. Draw a free body diagram. Only gravity and friction are of any consequence once it's released.

So, the high arcing ball is thrown further in actual distance traveled than the low arcing one.

Which means, if you MUST throw with a low arc to get it there, your arm is weaker. (By arm strength I mean how far you can throw the ball, but I see no reason why velocity and distance would be different as a measure of arm strength unless the QB has mechanical problems which make one of either his distance or velocity throws more inefficient.)

Yes, but gravity is the main factor here. If a QB threw the ball on the shortest path, a strait line, it would be impossible arm strength to accomplish on a 40 yard throw. Likewise a QB throwing the ball as high as a skyscraper and it traveling 40 yards in distance. The real measure is ball velocity as it leaves his hands a a tight rope tends to have greater velocity than a moon shot.

Humor me. The critical point is 45 degrees, IIRC.

Horizontal distance is 40 meters.

One QB throws the ball with an angle of 45 degrees. The other throws with a height of 75 degrees. Who has the greater velocity?

The formula for horizontal distance is:
R = [v^2 sin(2α)]/(g)
So v = sqrt [Rg/(sin[2α])]

R = 40.

α for the low arc is: 45 degrees (calculated using the same formula)

α for the high arc is: 75 degrees.

So the HORIZONTAL velocities are, respectfully: sqrt [40m *g/(sin[2*45])] = 19.8 m/s, and sqrt [40m*g/(sin[2*75])] = 39.6 m/s.

The interesting thing with sin is that it's a periodic function. That means there are times when a LOWER trajectory would take more initial velocity than a higher one, and there are times when a HIGHER trajectory would take more initial velocity. You brought up the fact that a zero trajectory would take infinite velocity. That's true. So would a 90 degree trajectory.

So, if the QB is throwing with an arc greater than 45 degrees, each additional degree of arc requires more arm strength. If the QB is throwing with an arc less than 45 degrees, each additional degree of arc REDUCTION requires more arm strength. Russell Wilson appears to throw with greater than 45 degree arc, so the higher he throws it, the more arm strength it takes.

I think that the truth of the matter here is that the biggest factor in arc is QB preference, and if there's a weakness or a strength with a QB who chooses one or the other, it has to be related to vision and anticipation, not arm strength.

It totally has a lot to do with arm strength. It takes a lot more arm strength to throw a deep out on a rope than to throw a lofted pass. All it takes is throwing a few passes to understand that. The main reason to arc a throw rather than throw a frozen rope is catchability and layering the pass through coverage. It's all about velocity vs trajectory.

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Again, it depends entirely on if the angle of throw is greater than or less than 45 degrees. I feel like you didn't read or didn't understand my post.

I am just going of the hundreds of throws I have thrown in my life most when I was trying get good enough to beat the coaches kid out for the QB position in high school. For me, it was easier to get distance on a lofted ball without straining my arm. Me and a couple of buddies spent hours in the afternoons after school running routes and working on passing accurately. It was much easier to throw deep with some loft on it, much less arm fatigue than trying to zip it in. Then I got a bass guitar for my 16th birthday and football became something to watch more than something to do. I can still spin it pretty good for an old guy though.
I never made it further than geometry in math, I just wasn't into it. Music, art,literature and history were more my things in school, and even then, school was almost 35 years ago. I'll take your word on the math, I was just speaking from my experience of actually throwing the football.

What was probably happening was that your lofted passes were at 45 to 55 degrees and your ropes were at 25-30 degrees. So ya in that scenario it would be less arm fatigue and require less strength to throw the same distance.

I would venture to say 45 -50 degrees would feel like a large lofted angle. I would be interesting to know what angle Russel Wilson is throwing his at.. I might guess 50 degrees.

It's gotta be high because I've never seen anyone else throw rainbows like that.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

#49ers QB Brock Purdy has (so far) simultaneously improved in time before throw, air yards per attempt and yards per attempt.

2022: 2.93 seconds, 7.0 air yds/att., 8.4 yds/att.

2023: 2.56 seconds, 7.2 air yds/att., 9.1 yds/att.

Ball out quicker but still gaining more yards.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) October 2, 2023

Arm is definitely stronger than Montana's.

No not really. They both throw extremely catchable balls on all their different types of throws though. Both elite there.

Disagree, I remember Montana's long balls had more arch to them. Early in Montana's career (Before Rice) he had long ball issues. Which are not a big deal during the early years as he had Wendell Tyler. That Aiyuk 40+ yard throw was a flatter trajectory than Montana's usual deep throws, as I recall it.

Having a lower trajectory on deep balls all the time means your arm isn't as strong, because you have to cut out the wasted motion. You think Russell Wilson has a weak arm? His deep balls are more tear drop than anyone's I've ever seen.

The second the ball leaves your hand, the only forces working on it are gravity and friction. A high arching ball travels a further net distance than a flattened one. It takes more arm to throw more distance. QBs who depend on a flat arc for deep balls probably do not have as strong an arm as those who don't.

HOWEVER, it could also merely be a preference. The QB maybe doesn't anticipate as much as the tear drop guy and has to sling it to get it there in time, or perhaps they're paranoid about the ball taking a long time to get there.

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EDIT: before I get tarred and feathered, I'm not talking about Brock. His arm is plenty strong enough to hit every throw you need to wear a gold jacket. I'm just talking theoretically. If you HAVE to have a low trajectory to throw deep, your arm isn't as strong as someone who can easily do either.

Any science behind this? I think if someone wants to throw deep, if they have the time, and it makes sense, they "naturally" conform to throwing with a higher arc/higher trajectory. I mean that's how I feel when I play catch with the guys. If you're trying to laser it while going deep I think that actually means you have a stronger arm than most.

Yeah. Pythagoras (Extended to curves; the same principle applies, you just add up the infinitesimal distances via a line integral, but it's essentially the same thing. In Euclidean geometry, a straight line is the shortest path between two points.). A high arcing ball travels more distance. As the ball is not getting any additional force as it leaves (basic physics), what you put into it upon release is all it has. So throwing with a high arc doesn't give you some boost. That's not how physics work. Draw a free body diagram. Only gravity and friction are of any consequence once it's released.

So, the high arcing ball is thrown further in actual distance traveled than the low arcing one.

Which means, if you MUST throw with a low arc to get it there, your arm is weaker. (By arm strength I mean how far you can throw the ball, but I see no reason why velocity and distance would be different as a measure of arm strength unless the QB has mechanical problems which make one of either his distance or velocity throws more inefficient.)

Yes, but gravity is the main factor here. If a QB threw the ball on the shortest path, a strait line, it would be impossible arm strength to accomplish on a 40 yard throw. Likewise a QB throwing the ball as high as a skyscraper and it traveling 40 yards in distance. The real measure is ball velocity as it leaves his hands a a tight rope tends to have greater velocity than a moon shot.

Humor me. The critical point is 45 degrees, IIRC.

Horizontal distance is 40 meters.

One QB throws the ball with an angle of 45 degrees. The other throws with a height of 75 degrees. Who has the greater velocity?

The formula for horizontal distance is:
R = [v^2 sin(2α)]/(g)
So v = sqrt [Rg/(sin[2α])]

R = 40.

α for the low arc is: 45 degrees (calculated using the same formula)

α for the high arc is: 75 degrees.

So the HORIZONTAL velocities are, respectfully: sqrt [40m *g/(sin[2*45])] = 19.8 m/s, and sqrt [40m*g/(sin[2*75])] = 39.6 m/s.

The interesting thing with sin is that it's a periodic function. That means there are times when a LOWER trajectory would take more initial velocity than a higher one, and there are times when a HIGHER trajectory would take more initial velocity. You brought up the fact that a zero trajectory would take infinite velocity. That's true. So would a 90 degree trajectory.

So, if the QB is throwing with an arc greater than 45 degrees, each additional degree of arc requires more arm strength. If the QB is throwing with an arc less than 45 degrees, each additional degree of arc REDUCTION requires more arm strength. Russell Wilson appears to throw with greater than 45 degree arc, so the higher he throws it, the more arm strength it takes.

I think that the truth of the matter here is that the biggest factor in arc is QB preference, and if there's a weakness or a strength with a QB who chooses one or the other, it has to be related to vision and anticipation, not arm strength.

It totally has a lot to do with arm strength. It takes a lot more arm strength to throw a deep out on a rope than to throw a lofted pass. All it takes is throwing a few passes to understand that. The main reason to arc a throw rather than throw a frozen rope is catchability and layering the pass through coverage. It's all about velocity vs trajectory.

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Again, it depends entirely on if the angle of throw is greater than or less than 45 degrees. I feel like you didn't read or didn't understand my post.

I am just going of the hundreds of throws I have thrown in my life most when I was trying get good enough to beat the coaches kid out for the QB position in high school. For me, it was easier to get distance on a lofted ball without straining my arm. Me and a couple of buddies spent hours in the afternoons after school running routes and working on passing accurately. It was much easier to throw deep with some loft on it, much less arm fatigue than trying to zip it in. Then I got a bass guitar for my 16th birthday and football became something to watch more than something to do. I can still spin it pretty good for an old guy though.
I never made it further than geometry in math, I just wasn't into it. Music, art,literature and history were more my things in school, and even then, school was almost 35 years ago. I'll take your word on the math, I was just speaking from my experience of actually throwing the football.

Well, first of all, body mechanics are not being considered here. Only VELOCITY. Consideration of body mechanics may change the calculus here. Second, I'd willing to bet that you're not throwing the ball with greater than 45 degrees of arc on a regular basis.

Here are the physical facts that are beyond dispute:

1. 45 degrees is the optimal angle for a throw that maximizes distance if initial velocity is held constant (aka arm strength).

2. If you're throwing with an arc angle below 45 degrees, each degree lower you throw with, the more initial velocity (aka arm strength) you have to have to get to the same distance you had with a 45 degree arc.

3. If you're throwing with an arc above 45 degrees, each degree HIGHER you throw with, the more initial velocity (aka arm strength) you have to have to get the same distance you had with a 45 degree arc.

Here's the nuance: In real football, usually the speed at which the ball arrives at the target is crucial. Because of this fact, QBs tend to throw almost every pass with an arc below 45 degrees. It's only on (some) fades and the real deep passes that you'll see tear drop throws. But even then, most QBs still throw even deep balls with an arc below 45 degrees. It's only the guys like Russell Wilson who throw deep balls with a true tear drop arc. And for THOSE guys, it takes more arm strength to throw the same distance when they throw with a higher arc.

But again, since most throws need to get there extremely fast, your experience will match reality. It's only when you're throwing with an arc higher than 45 degrees that it takes more arm strength to throw it farther. Otherwise it's reversed and is as your experience shows.

Thanks man for putting it in layman's terms. Like I said, I'm willing yo take your word on the math.

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Overkill:
I'm not directing this at anyone specific in here (more of general media reaction), but I sometimes believe this guy could go undefeated with a SB win and it would only be used to bolster the arguments against him. Only a massively talented team could do that, it's evidence of great coaching, etc.

They've almost got him trapped in the "analyst" version of Chinese finger cuffs.

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Absolutely. And it won't end anytime soon. How many Super Bowls did Brady have to win before people finally started giving him credit? 3? 4?

"Game manager." "Point guard." "System QB."

How many times do I have to listen to this garbage? He's obviously much better than that. Just watch the games.

In my humblest of opinions, only the third is an insult to a QB. The other two, IMHO, don't become insults until you start arguing that's all he is, that he can't make transcendent, game winning plays.

Agreed. Even the third doesn't rule out transcendence, it says he's doing his job.

Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Yeah you got it.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Yeah you got it.

I wouldn't blame anyone for waiting until this Sunday to decide if he's elite or not, but at this point if you're not convinced that he's AT LEAST top 15ish, you don't know what you're seeing. Hell, even top 20. But these guys like Ruiz got him in the mid to late 30s. It's absurd. Like they don't even watch the highlights.

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https://youtu.be/58J5uOc_FWA

Took a look at every Purdy dropback on a special, record setting day.

Good stuff JD. (I'm gonna call you JD from now on because it sounds badass)

On point on Brock not just predetermining where he's going with the ball. That cat has true vision.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Yeah you got it.

I wouldn't blame anyone for waiting until this Sunday to decide if he's elite or not, but at this point if you're not convinced that he's AT LEAST top 15ish, you don't know what you're seeing. Hell, even top 20. But these guys like Ruiz got him in the mid to late 30s. It's absurd. Like they don't even watch the highlights.

LMFAO at least top 15ish. Since he has been playing football last year, he has not lost a f**kING GAME. Please list the 14 QBs better than him and state the reasons why they are better. Also who gives a f**k who rates him 30th. Listen to guys like Baldinger who is saying he's the best QB in the league this year based on actually watching every snap he has played. Why do you quote some random f**kers that post clickbait articles so they can make their minimum wage salaries for some s**t news website no one cares about. Btw two fat white dudes on GMF are raving about Purdy and Eisen talking about him as MVP so not every single media person is doubting him.

As for this one game, he already beat Dak's fat ass last year in the most important game of his life (playoffs more important the RS). He'll win again on Sunday as long as we stay healthy and refs don't f**k us over completely.

Watch film, stop posting articles by f**king nobodies. No one processes the game like him and no one is playing at a higher level this year.

He already has 2 playoff wins where he outplayed Fat Dak (who has 2 playoff wins in 7 f**king years, Herbert is even worse with 0 in like what 4-5 years). Allen and Burrow have the same number of SB wins as Jimmy G so they are failures as far as I am concerned.

Big test against a real good defense. If he can play at the same level he played this past week. OMG the sky is the limit!

Originally posted by jimmy3233:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

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Yeah you got it.

I wouldn't blame anyone for waiting until this Sunday to decide if he's elite or not, but at this point if you're not convinced that he's AT LEAST top 15ish, you don't know what you're seeing. Hell, even top 20. But these guys like Ruiz got him in the mid to late 30s. It's absurd. Like they don't even watch the highlights.

LMFAO at least top 15ish. Since he has been playing football last year, he has not lost a f**kING GAME. Please list the 14 QBs better than him and state the reasons why they are better. Also who gives a f**k who rates him 30th. Listen to guys like Baldinger who is saying he's the best QB in the league this year based on actually watching every snap he has played. Why do you quote some random f**kers that post clickbait articles so they can make their minimum wage salaries for some s**t news website no one cares about. Btw two fat white dudes on GMF are raving about Purdy and Eisen talking about him as MVP so not every single media person is doubting him.

As for this one game, he already beat Dak's fat ass last year in the most important game of his life (playoffs more important the RS). He'll win again on Sunday as long as we stay healthy and refs don't f**k us over completely.

Watch film, stop posting articles by f**king nobodies. No one processes the game like him and no one is playing at a higher level this year.

He already has 2 playoff wins where he outplayed Fat Dak (who has 2 playoff wins in 7 f**king years, Herbert is even worse with 0 in like what 4-5 years). Allen and Burrow have the same number of SB wins as Jimmy G so they are failures as far as I am concerned.

First of all, I wasn't speaking about MY rankings. Do you understand what I wrote, or did you just go full midwife on me? If you remember correctly, I had Jimmy G ranked between 12 and 15 a couple years ago. I have repeatedly said Purdy is better than Jimmy G, and not by just a little, and I've insinuated he has a lot of Mahomes stuff to his game. You think I consider him to be the 15th ranked guy? LOL.

Second, in terms of what OTHER people might think, this is me erring on the extreme side of caution. The very end of reasonable.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

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Yeah you got it.

I wouldn't blame anyone for waiting until this Sunday to decide if he's elite or not, but at this point if you're not convinced that he's AT LEAST top 15ish, you don't know what you're seeing. Hell, even top 20. But these guys like Ruiz got him in the mid to late 30s. It's absurd. Like they don't even watch the highlights.

LMFAO at least top 15ish. Since he has been playing football last year, he has not lost a f**kING GAME. Please list the 14 QBs better than him and state the reasons why they are better. Also who gives a f**k who rates him 30th. Listen to guys like Baldinger who is saying he's the best QB in the league this year based on actually watching every snap he has played. Why do you quote some random f**kers that post clickbait articles so they can make their minimum wage salaries for some s**t news website no one cares about. Btw two fat white dudes on GMF are raving about Purdy and Eisen talking about him as MVP so not every single media person is doubting him.

As for this one game, he already beat Dak's fat ass last year in the most important game of his life (playoffs more important the RS). He'll win again on Sunday as long as we stay healthy and refs don't f**k us over completely.

Watch film, stop posting articles by f**king nobodies. No one processes the game like him and no one is playing at a higher level this year.

He already has 2 playoff wins where he outplayed Fat Dak (who has 2 playoff wins in 7 f**king years, Herbert is even worse with 0 in like what 4-5 years). Allen and Burrow have the same number of SB wins as Jimmy G so they are failures as far as I am concerned.

Lol give 5_Golden_Rings a break. He always has to have a passive aggressive element in his posts and be negative about our QBs. He was one of the ones who wanted to replace Jimmy G with Trey the Traitor who is giving away our plays to the Cowgirls. You will get used to him

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Big test against a real good defense. If he can play at the same level he played this past week. OMG the sky is the limit!

Actually, I hope CMC road grades the Dalles D, so that Purdy can just clean up in the air. Dallas D is weaker against the run versus topnotch against the pass. I actually don't expect Purdy to do much in this game - if the 49er ground attack is in full force.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Yeah you got it.

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I wouldn't blame anyone for waiting until this Sunday to decide if he's elite or not, but at this point if you're not convinced that he's AT LEAST top 15ish, you don't know what you're seeing. Hell, even top 20. But these guys like Ruiz got him in the mid to late 30s. It's absurd. Like they don't even watch the highlights.

LMFAO at least top 15ish. Since he has been playing football last year, he has not lost a f**kING GAME. Please list the 14 QBs better than him and state the reasons why they are better. Also who gives a f**k who rates him 30th. Listen to guys like Baldinger who is saying he's the best QB in the league this year based on actually watching every snap he has played. Why do you quote some random f**kers that post clickbait articles so they can make their minimum wage salaries for some s**t news website no one cares about. Btw two fat white dudes on GMF are raving about Purdy and Eisen talking about him as MVP so not every single media person is doubting him.

As for this one game, he already beat Dak's fat ass last year in the most important game of his life (playoffs more important the RS). He'll win again on Sunday as long as we stay healthy and refs don't f**k us over completely.

Watch film, stop posting articles by f**king nobodies. No one processes the game like him and no one is playing at a higher level this year.

He already has 2 playoff wins where he outplayed Fat Dak (who has 2 playoff wins in 7 f**king years, Herbert is even worse with 0 in like what 4-5 years). Allen and Burrow have the same number of SB wins as Jimmy G so they are failures as far as I am concerned.

Lol give 5_Golden_Rings a break. He always has to have a passive aggressive element in his posts and be negative about our QBs. He was one of the ones who wanted to replace Jimmy G with Trey the Traitor who is giving away our plays to the Cowgirls. You will get used to him

First of all, I'm not "negative," I'm ACCURATE. I don't let my fandom cloud my mind. That's why so many of you Jimmy Club members had egg on your face when Stafford was holding the Lombardi. Because you don't take the same approach. You just couldn't fathom that the TAPE DOESN'T LIE, because Jimmy was your guy and no matter what he was a top 5 guy (lmao). Emotion. And that's okay. That's why you keep rooting when the team is trash. But you're not going to be very accurate, at least all the time anyway.

Second, regarding Trey Lance, the reason was because JIMMY AIN'T IT, and we invested three first round picks in a talented guy. If you read my posts, the argument was that had Trey started that rookie year, he would have developed while the team festered in mediocrity THAT season, with a possible wild card birth, but then in the FUTURE it was what was best for the team. Instead he sat and we LUCKED into Brock Purdy. Otherwise we'd be stuck in QB purgatory. Without Brock Purdy, this team is UTTERLY LOST unless they play Trey, because we had no one else.

The biggest problem here is that you homers MISUNDERSTAND what I write because your emotion clouds your judgement and you jump the gun without carefully reading what I said. Go ahead. Go re-read my post that Jimmy here quoted. If you can tell me where I, ME MYSELF argued that Purdy is only a top 15 guy in that post, I will post a picture of my girlfriend's boobs and get banned and never return.

But you won't. Because you can't. Because you only THOUGHT that was what I said because you were too riled up to read it with even the slightest patience (what I said was that I can understand someone thinking Brock isn't elite just yet, but if anyone thinks he's worse than 15 they're quite blind; in short, I was CRITICIZING the people who said he sucked, and yet somehow I'm "negative" on him ).

EDIT: If you would have said I am a drama queen who loves to argue, then I'd grudgingly admit you're accurate. But I'm not down on our QBs. I'm just unbiased as much as I possibly can be. Jimmy wasn't enough and that was why I wanted an upgrade. Now that the Jimmy Club has seen what a REAL QB looks like in Brock, they finally understand. But egos are egos and many won't—nay, CAN'T—admit they were wrong about Jimmy, even to themselves.

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Lastly, as for Brock, my actual position on him has been said here. I'm the guy who was first to say he plays like Mahomes, remember? His story is still being written, but thus far he looks special.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Purdy is a generational talent. He's a cut above a typical first round first pick kind of QB, in my opinion. ON top that, he's perfect for Kyle's run first offense because of his accuracy and his timing. His arm strength is *more than fine* for what Kyle needs in his offense. His ability to extend plays is a trait that just adds to his eliteness.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Purdy is a generational talent. He's a cut above a typical first round first pick kind of QB, in my opinion. ON top that, he's perfect for Kyle's run first offense because of his accuracy and his timing. His arm strength is *more than fine* for what Kyle needs in his offense. His ability to extend plays is a trait that just adds to his eliteness.

I think one thing that makes him perfect for it is his reaction time and ability to save a play when something goes wrong*, because with these play-action plays, the QB has to able to quickly adapt and compensate for when a tight end or tackle gets beat.

*I don't mean just run around and make a play when stuff breaks down. I mean, for example, dodge a defender and then resume the progression. His improvisation doesn't always require the other players to improvise as well. Sometimes he does just enough to compensate for someone else's mistake, and then continues executing the play as designed. Or throw side armed as soon as he turns around with someone in his face. He knows what's going on even when he can't see it, because he has such a high level of awareness and football IQ, and he has the processing and reflexes that allow him to instantly adapt in situations like that.