QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The ridiculous expectations of QB's conversation is

This. I'm gonna just sit back and enjoy me some Purdy and hopefully one day I can look back and reminisce about the good old days.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Glad to see that others are coming around to the fact that he is the top QB in the NFL this year and honestly since he started last year. Pretty sure I'm the first that called him a top 5 QB after 1-2 games this year (getting this debate started) and the best QB after the 3rd game. He literally almost had a perfect 4th game against a Cards team that had a bunch of confidence and momentum after beating the s**t out of Fat Dak and the cowgirls.

Sorry but a bunch of solid teams have great playmakers around them (Diggs, Kelce, Hill, Jefferson, etc) and much better oline (hell KC oline can false start and hold every f**king play) so you can't keep using that as an excuse that he has all the weapons in the world. Our defense is great but nothing that is generational especially as the league continues to favor offense more and more every year.

What he is doing is not normal for a young QB. Christ look the f**k around the league with vets with multiple years starting throwing picks into triple coverage (Fat Dak) or having 3-4 TO games (Allen 4 TO game to lose against Wilson led Jets) or losing on banner night against joke of franchise (mahomes against lions).

This motherf**ker is the best processor of the game since Joe Montana. Every play has options and he more often than not he makes the right decision. Scrambling ability elite. Arm talent more than enough. Accurate and more precise than any other QB playing the game.

Its up to Shanahan and Lynch to keep him protected. No more leaving the best f**king DE on the other team one on one with Mckivitiz or backup TE on a 5-7 drop.

Purdy is a generational talent. He's a cut above a typical first round first pick kind of QB, in my opinion. ON top that, he's perfect for Kyle's run first offense because of his accuracy and his timing. His arm strength is *more than fine* for what Kyle needs in his offense. His ability to extend plays is a trait that just adds to his eliteness.

I think one thing that makes him perfect for it is his reaction time and ability to save a play when something goes wrong*, because with these play-action plays, the QB has to able to quickly adapt and compensate for when a tight end or tackle gets beat.

*I don't mean just run around and make a play when stuff breaks down. I mean, for example, dodge a defender and then resume the progression. His improvisation doesn't always require the other players to improvise as well. Sometimes he does just enough to compensate for someone else's mistake, and then continues executing the play as designed. Or throw side armed as soon as he turns around with someone in his face. He knows what's going on even when he can't see it, because he has such a high level of awareness and football IQ, and he has the processing and reflexes that allow him to instantly adapt in situations like that.

Well they can practice that, belive it or not. Its called the scramble drill. Montana and Young were great in the scramble drill, and used it often when the play didn't even break down. Example Russ Francis is running a typical out rout, he looks back and sees Joe Running out of the pocket, he's supposed to go vertical on that particular scramble situation, and so he does, and Joe hits him for a huge gain becuase he left the DB defending the flat and went vertical. Joe was never in trouble but he wanted Russ to change his route based on the coverage.

Thats one of the reasons I was so excited about Brock's mobility because his mobility can change the route combinations just like Russel Wilson's can, and teams with bad Defensive Backs will get burned becuase of that.

Its improvisation but more of a designed improvisation.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
It's one thing to say that Purdy is processing quickly, making proper pre and post snap decisions, getting the ball to his playmakers, maneuvering within the pocket, etc. etc - which he is obviously doing at a very high level right now. I'm very happy that he's doing this at this level, at his age, and I can see the improvements from last year to this year which means he's only taking steps in the right direction.

Calling him a generational talent, and that term 'elite?' No way I can say that now.....and maybe I'll never truly say it. My definition regarding to those terms probably differs from most. Those type of guys are the ones who can deliver in the clutch. 1:30 left in the game, down by 4+. Can he deliver against a top tiered opponent? A guy who has no running game, no explosive targets, and is the absolute focal point for every defense he faces....and can still carry his team. A guy whose pocket collapses and he's getting a beating...can he still stand strong in the teeth of that pass rush and not flinch? A guy who raises his game in the bigger games - division games on the line, playoffs, Super Bowls. Elite is Joe Montana. He didn't build that case on trashing the Falcons for 400 yards and 4 TD's in some week 7 game. That made him an excellent QB. He built his legacy against the Cowboys and Bengals in two of the most famous drives in NFL history. He built his legacy against the Eagles in 1989 - probably the best game I've ever seen a QB play.

I'm NOT saying Purdy can't do stuff like this.....I have yet to see it on a consistent basis, because there simply hasn't been the body of work for me to come to that conclusion. I hope he is the guy.

Dude, Montana was in his 3rd year when he won his first. He was also in a revolutionary system with an amazing team pre salary cap.

Your requirements are not something you can put on a 2nd year starter, those kind of things happen over 4 or 5 years.

Look at what I bolded in my original post. Do you NOT see the part where I said he doesn't have the body of work for me to come to the conclusion of whether he is 'elite?'

No running game? No explosive targets? Name a single QB that didn't have o-line play, no running game and no explosive targets? Brady had Moss and Gronk. Joe had Jerry Rice! All of the greats had help. All of the greats had games where the pass rush gets to them and they just can't make anything happen. Literally nobody is elite under this definition.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Those requirements don't even apply to Montana or....anyone.

"No gunning game, no explosive targets" Ok.....So...Montana is out. He had Craig, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Tom Rathman.

Tom? Well, they beat INDY in the playoffs, they ran for over 200 yards. He had Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Randy Moss, Gronkowski and a slew of other players over the years.

Mahomes - Well, he's had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, MVS, Pacheco, so he's out.

Josh Allen - before he got Diggs his #'s were a big bag of meh and still hasn't won a playoff game down 4+

The requirements listed - I cannot think of a single QB ever who would be labeled, "elite" that has had that situation.....

The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Jimmy converted a 1-10 team to a 5-0 team, and Brock is *better* than Jimmy.

Originally posted by Furlow:

This is just amazing 😂 #49ers pic.twitter.com/b9tj3vRjgS

— Keenan Masterson (@Keener765) October 3, 2023

Ok this was funny as hell

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Those requirements don't even apply to Montana or....anyone.

"No gunning game, no explosive targets" Ok.....So...Montana is out. He had Craig, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Tom Rathman.

Tom? Well, they beat INDY in the playoffs, they ran for over 200 yards. He had Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Randy Moss, Gronkowski and a slew of other players over the years.

Mahomes - Well, he's had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, MVS, Pacheco, so he's out.

Josh Allen - before he got Diggs his #'s were a big bag of meh and still hasn't won a playoff game down 4+

The requirements listed - I cannot think of a single QB ever who would be labeled, "elite" that has had that situation.....

The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Are you seriously saying Dwight Clark was made? Dude is in the HOF......I don't even....ok.

Go look at Brady's stats year 1...
189 YPG
18 TD's to 12 INT's
63.9% comp

That's hardly carrying the team. When Brady's #'s took off(first time he threw for over 3800 yards in a season) wasn't til he got some serious playmakers. It's weird, it's almost like if you have better playmakers, QB's play better.

You're metric for "elite" is just absurd. The guy has to do it with no weapons....C'mon. If a guy has no weapons, the opposing teams will be play man-coverage all game and he has no where to throw because his guys suck.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Montana had the number 1 defense in 1981, and pretty much had a top 5 defense for most of his career, and Brady had a pretty good defense and Troy Brown surrounding him in 2001.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Montana had the number 1 defense in 1981, and pretty much had a top 5 defense for most of his career, and Brady had a pretty good defense and Troy Brown surrounding him in 2001.

You're correct. Great defenses can go a long way to making a QB look good. In 2019 the Niners D made JGs job a lot easier because thet always kept the games close. Jimmy wasn't required to come back from 2 or 3 scores down. They rarely fell more than one score down.

I'm just sitting here patiently waiting for Brock Purdy to be considered elite so we can get all those bs DPI calls against the other teams and no longer have to deal with those drive killing offensive holding calls that guys like Brady and Mahomes have benfited from.

This is a side note but as an Iowan, we don't get a lot of stars (shocker) to come out of this place so once Brock blew up it became six degrees of separation to connect X business/school to Brock Purdy. After his first few games, one of the smaller area colleges did a big social media post of 'Here is Brock Purdy's girlfriend who studied for one semester here 3 years ago.' Just great to see how this humble guy who's worked so hard all his years at Iowa State is getting his deserved recognition. How anyone can hate on him is really a reflection of 'people love to see an underdog until he succeeds then they have to tear him down.'

Probably already posted

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Are you seriously saying Dwight Clark was made? Dude is in the HOF......I don't even....ok.

Go look at Brady's stats year 1...
189 YPG
18 TD's to 12 INT's
63.9% comp

That's hardly carrying the team. When Brady's #'s took off(first time he threw for over 3800 yards in a season) wasn't til he got some serious playmakers. It's weird, it's almost like if you have better playmakers, QB's play better.

You're metric for "elite" is just absurd. The guy has to do it with no weapons....C'mon. If a guy has no weapons, the opposing teams will be play man-coverage all game and he has no where to throw because his guys suck.

First off, Dwight Clark is not in the Pro Football HOF.

Secondly, it's not a coincidence that the 5-13 team that Belichick had in his first year and 2 games with Drew Bledsoe, became an 11-3 and Super Bowl team with Tom Brady. One was a legit Pro Bowl QB....the other is one of the greatest to ever do it - a true elite player. Brady had the likes of Reche Caldwell and was going to AFC Title games in the middle of that decade. He carried a lot of those guys.

Third, nowhere did I say a guy has to do this game in, game out, deliver every single time. Elite QB's can turn poor receivers into average ones, and average ones into good ones. You seem to think I believe you can drop an all time great QB, like Steve Young, on a terrible mid-80's Bucs team, and he'd turn that turd around. Of course he couldn't, because he was on that dreadful franchise and did nothing. The point, which was obviously lost on most of you, is that truly elite QB's can shoulder the vast majority of the load if he isn't surrounded by incredible playmakers the 49ers have. The point is, given the recent history of the 49ers, Purdy may be asked to carry more of the load because of injuries to guys like Deebo, CMC and Kittle, who have all had their share of missed games.

The best ever, such as the guys I mentioned in Montana, Brady and Elway did so. Because they put up better stats when surrounded by better players is irrelevant. My metric for elite is sound.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'm just sitting here patiently waiting for Brock Purdy to be considered elite so we can get all those bs DPI calls against the other team and no longer have to deal with those drive killing offensive holding calls that guys like Brady and Mahomes have benfited from.

Yeah, I honestly couldn't even imagine having a darling for a QB.

My brain would explode.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Montana had the number 1 defense in 1981, and pretty much had a top 5 defense for most of his career, and Brady had a pretty good defense and Troy Brown surrounding him in 2001.

Yes, they both did. That doesn't mean they were the #1 defense game in, game out. There were times when defenses could give up points, and they'd simply have to outscore them. The elite guys have a better chance to carry the team with lesser talent around them offensively.