QB Brock Purdy Thread

Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

Originally posted by kujon11:
Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

It's amazing how they are deliberately ragebaiting people and people keep falling for it. Clicks are clicks, they don't care if you're there because you're happy or pissed off.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Your metric isn't sound. You're making this argument from the perspective of hindsight. You're able to identify QB's who proved to be elite, then back-working to argue they made the players and teams around them.

For example, John Elways was considered pretty good, not elite or great before 1997. He was seen as a guy who lost multiple SB's. He's on the 97 Broncos with Mike Shanahan calling plays and Terrel Davis running for 2k yards and they win a SB and he's great - not saying he's not. But, this idea that they have success without a team is weird.

The 2001 Pats? What were the scores of their playoff wins?
16-13
24-17
20-17.

Yet, you're saying Brady shouldered a lot of the load. Their defense held a record setting offense to 17 points. This is tantamount to us holding KC's 2019 offense to 17 points. If we did that, we win that SB with Jimmy G.

In the regular season they were 1-3 when allowing more than 17 points.

You can check all the stats here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm

Yet, you say Brady was the reason the 2001 Pats were so much better. Brady become elite as he grew and worked and never stopped. But, let's not sit here and say that Brady shouldered a massive load for that 2001 Pats team.

You're acting as if Brock should have a strike against him because he has a great supporting cast. Ok....we've seen very talented QB's with great supporting casts not be elite. We've also seen elite QB's when they don't have a good supporting cast not looking great - Brady circa 2019 when all the chatter was that Brady had lost it but he lost all his weapons.

This...again? Aaaagain...look at my original post where I state:

"I'm NOT saying Purdy can't do stuff like this.....I have yet to see it on a consistent basis, because there simply hasn't been the body of work for me to come to that conclusion. I hope he is the guy."

I don't hold anything against Purdy in which he hasn't had the opportunity to achieve something - in this case because he is surrounded by talent. But I won't assume he'd be able to carry a vast amount of the load if a couple of his playmakers were out. Perhaps he still can - the elite ones do. At some point, Purdy will be faced with scenarios that he hasn't faced - scenarios where I consider QB's to be in that upper tier if they can successfully navigate on multiple occasions. For instance, if the Niners are down 4 points with 1:30 left against the Cowboys defense on Sunday Night, and pulls that out with great throws - I would lean in a positive direction that he can do that. Throw a bad pick on that drive, and I'd lean the other way. That itself, wouldn't mean he'd NEVER be able to do it....but I can only go by the limited times he's been put in said position.

As for Elway - yes...he was considered elite before 1997. He was the NFL MVP in 1987 literally because of the lack of offensive talent around him, and the overall success of those Broncos. His best receiver was Steve Watson and he was on the decline when Elway ascended....by the time of his first SB trip, his receiving corps of Ricky Natiel, Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson were considered very average. The running game was nothing, and the play calling was pretty terrible. Those Broncos that lost 3 Super Bowls don't even sniff the playoffs, let alone the SB, without him.

As for Brady - yes...he shouldered a lot of the load. Again, it's not just raw numbers. It can't be coincidence that the Pats were 5-13 before, then 11-3 with Brady....and it's just defense. It was only in his 3rd or 4th start where the Chargers scored 26 but Brady had a 4th quarter comeback, hung 350 yards and scored 30 points. Even the SB where Johm Madden was calling for the Pats to sit on the ball when the Rams tied it up...Belicheck let Brady throw in the last minute to lead to the winning FG. That should tell you a lot about what BB thought of his QB in that situation. He's not the only one responsible, but when you can replace a guy like Drew Bledsoe, who was a very good QB, and turn around that franchise like that? Yeah....a lot of that has to fall on the presence of Brady.

Originally posted by kujon11:
Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

Hell, they have Jones at 18, which is UP from 19 the week before. After THAT performance. That list is a troll's paradise.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Quarterback Total EPA through Week 4 pic.twitter.com/N26g1gZLWX

— SumerSports (@SumerSports) October 3, 2023

The takeaway here is J Burrow ain't right

Originally posted by kujon11:
Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

He moved up +2

what a joke

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Quarterback Total EPA through Week 4 pic.twitter.com/N26g1gZLWX

— SumerSports (@SumerSports) October 3, 2023

The takeaway here is J Burrow ain't right

Lawrence having a much poorer start to the season than I realized as well.

Derek Carr and kirk Cousins being right at the average mark seems spot on, however.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by kujon11:
Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

He moved up +2

what a joke

Probably really itching to make him 32 once his first Interception happens.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
Young's concussions are one reason I am not fond of "running QBs." I'll take a Brock Purdy with a couple of good running backs and WRs any day.

I remember cringing every time Steve took any hit of any sort, same with Jerry also after the 97 injury
now it's CMC the torch has been passed
let us have this dude for a full season

You guys should compare the concussion rates between QBs that take off and QBs that don't take off. There's no improvement. This is a tried and true discussion.

The careless manner in which Young scrambles vs. the way Russ has scrambled and gotten down over the years is the real issue there. Not "running." Running's simply a part of the game.

You should do this comparison.

I'd love to see your "true" comparison your claiming because it looks like your saying that the 3-5 "running" qb's have a lower concussion rate then the remaining 27-29 "pocket" qb's, unless I'm misunderstanding.
I'm throwing this out, but I'm gonna say that's not a great sample comparison.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Probably really itching to make him 32 once his first Interception happens.

It's some random guy making a list that has no actual validity. They're clearly trying to troll people and its working.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by kujon11:
Lmfao ringer has brock at 25 and dak at 7

He moved up +2

what a joke

Probably really itching to make him 32 once his first Interception happens.

Absolutely

Originally posted by tankle104:

The Bay Area is so expensive that Brock Purdy has to live with a roommate. The #49ers starting quarterback is making $870,000 this year. pic.twitter.com/Uk3orQPpl0

— Cameron Salerno (@cameronsalerno1) October 4, 2023

i like him even more.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Quarterback Total EPA through Week 4 pic.twitter.com/N26g1gZLWX

— SumerSports (@SumerSports) October 3, 2023

The takeaway here is J Burrow ain't right

Lawrence having a much poorer start to the season than I realized as well.

Derek Carr and kirk Cousins being right at the average mark seems spot on, however.

CJ stroud is off to a good start. He was my fav qb in this draft. Love is doing better than I expected as well. Idk why the colts Richardson isn't on there but I thought he was be bad - I think he's been "okay".

Cool to see Goff doing well after the way the rams discarded him. Goff is a great fit for Detroit. Right personality for it too. They're over achieving and dangerous but I'm not worried about them beating us.

Originally posted by picklejuice:

Originally posted by tankle104:

The Bay Area is so expensive that Brock Purdy has to live with a roommate. The #49ers starting quarterback is making $870,000 this year. pic.twitter.com/Uk3orQPpl0

— Cameron Salerno (@cameronsalerno1) October 4, 2023

i like him even more.

This is so dumb, you dont need to make almost a million/yr to rent an apartment in the bay area