QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brady didn't carry crap his first few years in the league. He was in full on game manager mode, making the smart throws but that team was built on the basis of a dominant defense with Belichick scheming his ass off, never giving up more than 17 points in the playoffs. It took Belichick a couple of years but by 2001, that defense was legit as hell and would only get better over the next few years.

Patriots fans wanted Brady to be replaced by Bledsoe in the playoffs that first year and even after winning a SB, there were a lot of them still calling for Bledsoe. It wasn't really until 2005 where Brady started to take over games and began looking like the Tom Brady people would see for the rest of his career. If Purdy continues to progress then its reasonable to expect that at some point he'll be able at least somewhat make up for any drop offs in talent levels on offense with the hope being that Shanalynch and Co continue making sound investments in the OL and defense long term.

Brady in his second full year threw the ball over 600 times and led the NFL in TD passes....to guys who aren't exactly household names. That is basically doing everything he can to do the heavy lifting.

As for Patriot fans wanting Bledsoe....it may not been until 2005 that fans started seeing that keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the correct decision....but it was Belichick who decided that in 2001 when Bledsoe could return to the lineup, and Belly said no. It was Belly who fully trusted him in the last minute of a Super Bowl to throw the ball instead of sitting on it and hoping for OT miracles. Those fans....were wrong.

Purdy? If he continues on his pace and improves with every game/season, then he most definitely will make up for the potential losses largely due to the contract that he may earn. If that is the case, then it is an acceptable trade-off.

Check his overall stats including QB rating, AY/A, and int. He threw a bunch of short passes. Yes he threw a lot of TDs. His AY/A was very bad. His QB rating wasn't good either.

And you know what, the team finished 9-7 and missed the playoff. So perhaps Brady really carried the team, played every single game, but couldn't even make it to the playoffs.

Was it really that impressive? I thought your definition of a generation talent is someone who can carried an average team to Championship. Brady wasn't even close that year.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brady didn't carry crap his first few years in the league. He was in full on game manager mode, making the smart throws but that team was built on the basis of a dominant defense with Belichick scheming his ass off, never giving up more than 17 points in the playoffs. It took Belichick a couple of years but by 2001, that defense was legit as hell and would only get better over the next few years.

Patriots fans wanted Brady to be replaced by Bledsoe in the playoffs that first year and even after winning a SB, there were a lot of them still calling for Bledsoe. It wasn't really until 2005 where Brady started to take over games and began looking like the Tom Brady people would see for the rest of his career. If Purdy continues to progress then its reasonable to expect that at some point he'll be able at least somewhat make up for any drop offs in talent levels on offense with the hope being that Shanalynch and Co continue making sound investments in the OL and defense long term.

Brady in his second full year threw the ball over 600 times and led the NFL in TD passes....to guys who aren't exactly household names. That is basically doing everything he can to do the heavy lifting.

As for Patriot fans wanting Bledsoe....it may not been until 2005 that fans started seeing that keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the correct decision....but it was Belichick who decided that in 2001 when Bledsoe could return to the lineup, and Belly said no. It was Belly who fully trusted him in the last minute of a Super Bowl to throw the ball instead of sitting on it and hoping for OT miracles. Those fans....were wrong.

Purdy? If he continues on his pace and improves with every game/season, then he most definitely will make up for the potential losses largely due to the contract that he may earn. If that is the case, then it is an acceptable trade-off.

Check his overall stats including QB rating, AY/A, and int. He threw a bunch of short passes. Yes he threw a lot of TDs. His AY/A was very bad. His QB rating wasn't good either.

And you know what, the team finished 9-7 and missed the playoff. So perhaps Brady really carried the team, played every single game, but couldn't even make it to the playoffs.

Was it really that impressive? I thought your definition of a generation talent is someone who can carried an average team to Championship.

28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Originally posted by Furlow:
28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Off the top of my head, I think its been 2 times where a pass was actually a run because the ball traveled backwards like 4 inches. Has it been more?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brady didn't carry crap his first few years in the league. He was in full on game manager mode, making the smart throws but that team was built on the basis of a dominant defense with Belichick scheming his ass off, never giving up more than 17 points in the playoffs. It took Belichick a couple of years but by 2001, that defense was legit as hell and would only get better over the next few years.

Patriots fans wanted Brady to be replaced by Bledsoe in the playoffs that first year and even after winning a SB, there were a lot of them still calling for Bledsoe. It wasn't really until 2005 where Brady started to take over games and began looking like the Tom Brady people would see for the rest of his career. If Purdy continues to progress then its reasonable to expect that at some point he'll be able at least somewhat make up for any drop offs in talent levels on offense with the hope being that Shanalynch and Co continue making sound investments in the OL and defense long term.

Brady in his second full year threw the ball over 600 times and led the NFL in TD passes....to guys who aren't exactly household names. That is basically doing everything he can to do the heavy lifting.

As for Patriot fans wanting Bledsoe....it may not been until 2005 that fans started seeing that keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the correct decision....but it was Belichick who decided that in 2001 when Bledsoe could return to the lineup, and Belly said no. It was Belly who fully trusted him in the last minute of a Super Bowl to throw the ball instead of sitting on it and hoping for OT miracles. Those fans....were wrong.

Purdy? If he continues on his pace and improves with every game/season, then he most definitely will make up for the potential losses largely due to the contract that he may earn. If that is the case, then it is an acceptable trade-off.

Check his overall stats including QB rating, AY/A, and int. He threw a bunch of short passes. Yes he threw a lot of TDs. His AY/A was very bad. His QB rating wasn't good either.

And you know what, the team finished 9-7 and missed the playoff. So perhaps Brady really carried the team, played every single game, but couldn't even make it to the playoffs.

Was it really that impressive? I thought your definition of a generation talent is someone who can carried an average team to Championship.

28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Also, if Brock can go 12-0 record in this team (count games he played 3 quarters or more), who say he can't do better than 9-7 in an average team?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Off the top of my head, I think its been 2 times where a pass was actually a run because the ball traveled backwards like 4 inches. Has it been more?

Just those two, that's all I was counting. I think over the course of the season his TD rate will slowly climb closer to that 7.6 than the 4.5 where it is now.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brady didn't carry crap his first few years in the league. He was in full on game manager mode, making the smart throws but that team was built on the basis of a dominant defense with Belichick scheming his ass off, never giving up more than 17 points in the playoffs. It took Belichick a couple of years but by 2001, that defense was legit as hell and would only get better over the next few years.

Patriots fans wanted Brady to be replaced by Bledsoe in the playoffs that first year and even after winning a SB, there were a lot of them still calling for Bledsoe. It wasn't really until 2005 where Brady started to take over games and began looking like the Tom Brady people would see for the rest of his career. If Purdy continues to progress then its reasonable to expect that at some point he'll be able at least somewhat make up for any drop offs in talent levels on offense with the hope being that Shanalynch and Co continue making sound investments in the OL and defense long term.

Brady in his second full year threw the ball over 600 times and led the NFL in TD passes....to guys who aren't exactly household names. That is basically doing everything he can to do the heavy lifting.

As for Patriot fans wanting Bledsoe....it may not been until 2005 that fans started seeing that keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the correct decision....but it was Belichick who decided that in 2001 when Bledsoe could return to the lineup, and Belly said no. It was Belly who fully trusted him in the last minute of a Super Bowl to throw the ball instead of sitting on it and hoping for OT miracles. Those fans....were wrong.

Purdy? If he continues on his pace and improves with every game/season, then he most definitely will make up for the potential losses largely due to the contract that he may earn. If that is the case, then it is an acceptable trade-off.

Check his overall stats including QB rating, AY/A, and int. He threw a bunch of short passes. Yes he threw a lot of TDs. His AY/A was very bad. His QB rating wasn't good either.

And you know what, the team finished 9-7 and missed the playoff. So perhaps Brady really carried the team, played every single game, but couldn't even make it to the playoffs.

Was it really that impressive? I thought your definition of a generation talent is someone who can carried an average team to Championship.

28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Also, if Brock can go 12-0 record in this team (count games he played 3 quarters or more), who say he can't do better than 9-7 in an average team?

Honestly, I don't even care. He is great and 99% of us know he's great. I mean think about it, we're comparing him to the goat and making a good case that he's playing better than Brady did at this state of his career. We have our guy, going to be awesome watching it unfold.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Me trying to get a BP autograph before these spoiled kids...

Classy haha. I had a chance to get Jack Eichel's this year lol, he was right in front of me, had my Sharpie ready but some kids were eager to get his sig yelling, "Mr. Eichel, Mr. Eichel!" Lol..I let them go in front of me and get their stuff signed. I didn't get his sig but I said, "Great job Jack." referencing his Stanley Cup win. He nodded, said "Thanks." That was good enough lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
28 TD's in 601 attempts is a TD rate of 4.7%. Purdy's TD rate was 7.6% last year and is 4.5% this year. It would be 6.3% if Kyle threw short RB passes forward instead of backward.

Off the top of my head, I think its been 2 times where a pass was actually a run because the ball traveled backwards like 4 inches. Has it been more?

Just those two, that's all I was counting. I think over the course of the season his TD rate will slowly climb closer to that 7.6 than the 4.5 where it is now.

It does seem like the CMC show around the goal line....

In training camp, it did sound like Brock's redzone work was closer to what we saw the year before then what we are looking at right now. I think it going up is a safe bet.

The only caveat to that is the pressure. To me it really feels like CMC and Brock are masking a legitimate o-line issue.

Phoenix is right. Brady would win games like 17 - 13 in the early years. Even in the playoffs. Heck their kicker would win it at the end. Sometimes in the Super Bowl even. He was not the later more experienced and mature Brady. More of a game manager with a great defense and coaching backing him up. He got better with more experience and the team around him improved.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Phoenix is right. Brady would win games like 17 - 13 in the early years. Even in the playoffs. Heck their kicker would win it at the end. Sometimes in the Super Bowl even. He was not the later more experienced and mature Brady. More of a game manager with a great defense and coaching backing him up. He got better with more experience and the team around him improved.

THAT'S the reason why I would never put him above JOE.. 3 of 4 Super Bowls when Joe played was pure DOMINATION w/a GREAT PERFORMANCE by him.. .. ONLY the 1st Super Bowl would be given to Ronnie and The D..

While Brady won Super Bowls because of the PK..

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Montana had the number 1 defense in 1981, and pretty much had a top 5 defense for most of his career, and Brady had a pretty good defense and Troy Brown surrounding him in 2001.

Not only that, but every single superbowl year they had one of the top running games in the NFL. This guy sounds like he didn't actually get to see those teams play.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
The only target Montana had early in his career in your list was Clark, and he was hardly an explosive player. He was most certainly made more by Montana than Clark made Montana. Go even look at Montana in KC, when Montana was broken down....JJ Birden? Tim Barnett? Willie Davis? Nothing players. Brady had none of those guys you mentioned in his early days either. Under Belichick, with Drew Bledsoe who was a very good QB, the Pats were 5-13. Bledsoe goes out, Brady comes in and they go on to win the Super Bowl. That's what true, generational talents do. They carry teams.

Montana had the number 1 defense in 1981, and pretty much had a top 5 defense for most of his career, and Brady had a pretty good defense and Troy Brown surrounding him in 2001.

Not only that, but every single superbowl year they had one of the top running games in the NFL. This guy sounds like he didn't actually get to see those teams play.

ACTUALLY, Montana was always provided w/more than an average receivers.. Solo - Dwight - Mike were all better than the average WRs.. The were in-fact better than every SETS of WR Brady had... well, aside MOSS.. but remove him, and NONE of the Patriots receivers would break our starting line up..

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Phoenix is right. Brady would win games like 17 - 13 in the early years. Even in the playoffs. Heck their kicker would win it at the end. Sometimes in the Super Bowl even. He was not the later more experienced and mature Brady. More of a game manager with a great defense and coaching backing him up. He got better with more experience and the team around him improved.

I think in the 2001 seasons playoffs - he had like 1 touchdown in the entire playoffs and won the Super Bowl. Brady was good but def more of a clutch game manager at that stage, which there is nothing wrong with. He was awesome and the game was different back then. This is back when you could have an awful qb and win with great defense only (2000 ravens).

Originally posted by boast:
i can tell RickyRoma didnt watch Montana and the Niners back in the early 80s

Yep, that's what it seems like. Probably not as old as we are, lol. Lucky b*****d...

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Phoenix is right. Brady would win games like 17 - 13 in the early years. Even in the playoffs. Heck their kicker would win it at the end. Sometimes in the Super Bowl even. He was not the later more experienced and mature Brady. More of a game manager with a great defense and coaching backing him up. He got better with more experience and the team around him improved.

I think in the 2001 seasons playoffs - he had like 1 touchdown in the entire playoffs and won the Super Bowl. Brady was good but def more of a clutch game manager at that stage, which there is nothing wrong with. He was awesome and the game was different back then. This is back when you could have an awful qb and win with great defense only (2000 ravens).

Yeah I agree.