QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Jimmy scored mid 90s on it….. 😈

Really??

If so, there are aspects to Jimmy's game that are very good. He's not terribly far off being a franchise QB....

Agree 💯%, he's a good QB. Just a tad below elite, and he'd be elite if he had more mobility and had better mechanics. I think he has lazy mechanics and there's nothing he can do about his mobility, unfortunately.

Tad below elite ? lol wut ?! Jimmy is no where near elite status. He's a middle of the pack quarterback, likely in the 15-20 range and arguably in the 20-25 range. Elite status is top 5, and close to elite is 5-10. We could make an argument that Brock is kind of getting in that range where we can start discussing "excellent" on his way to elite.

But Jimmy ? Lol, not even close…

Disagree, he was a good fit for Kyle's system. You don't go from 1-10 to 5-0 without some elite traits in your QB. Lazy mechanics really hurts his accuracy, and his lack of mobility hurts his ability to extend plays. Those WTF throws are when he's pressured up the middle or rushed, and one reason is he knows he doesn't have the wheels to get away, so again - mobility.

So that's my opinion. Get over it.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree 💯%, he's a good QB. Just a tad below elite, and he'd be elite if he had more mobility and had better mechanics. I think he has lazy mechanics and there's nothing he can do about his mobility, unfortunately.

Well...this explains a lot.

At least I'm honest about my opinions.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Jimmy scored mid 90s on it….. 😈

Really??

If so, there are aspects to Jimmy's game that are very good. He's not terribly far off being a franchise QB....

Hahaha no. I'm just playing - idk if Jimmy has even taken the test.

i like jimmy but he has limitations. He does some things very well but simultaneously does some things awful. Glad we have Brock

Same here. Brock has mobility, accuracy and mechanics as well as a great football mind. He's elite in my book. Just some folks don't realize it yet, but this Sunday, Brock will shut more of those folks up.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Disagree, he was a good fit for Kyle's system. You don't go from 1-10 to 5-0 without some elite traits in your QB. Lazy mechanics really hurts his accuracy, and his lack of mobility hurts his ability to extend plays. Those WTF throws are when he's pressured up the middle or rushed, and one reason is he knows he doesn't have the wheels to get away, so again - mobility.

So that's my opinion. Get over it.

His shortcomings have always been between the ears, beyond the fact that he's injury prone.

Plenty of QB's throughout history have thrived without plus mobility. Jimmy's biggest problems weren't physical.

That said he has at least one elite physical trait and that's his quick release. He's nowhere near an elite QB and never has been. His problems were showing up before he tore his ACL and even could be identified on film in his five game win streak in '17.

Honestly thank god this Jimmy/Trey chapter is over. I view Jimmy's time here as mostly a positive but these crazy arguments will not be missed.

If he has a big game, he'll be on the shortlist for mvp, unless his big game is throwing to CMC, who may end up with the praise

Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
If he has a big game, he'll be on the shortlist for mvp, unless his big game is throwing to CMC, who may end up with the praise

Not going to say the words out loud but let's keep that streak going that Brock has of….not having any of those things that DAK has all the time, lol.

Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?

Can't see either party (us and the potential #1 pick) ever agreeing to such a trade.

We have what seems like a perfect system fit at an absolute bottom barrel price, and Brock's league wide worth probably isn't enough to get up to the 1 spot for another team (in conjunction with 1 likely very low 1st rounder)

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Trey is a nice likable guy is the take away I get from his interviews.....

I also get from his interviews, he is not a very confident guy.....

I could see a team rally around their little brother for a time, and protect him when he makes mistakes....but there is an expiration date on how long that can last at any level, let alone in a pro level league.

"I just want to go out and get better" is an excuse that is already worn out by year 3, and the dude probably has a lot more mistakes in front of him before he is stable and standing on two legs.

My take from last year......was a big weight was lifted off the teams shoulders when Trey went down. I think that was legit response of relief we got from the team when Jimmy G walked on to the field. I suspect the team did not have a whole ton of faith that Trey was "the man".

There is a ton of high level dudes on the team starting with the head coach. I don't know how long Shanny can sit around with his offense in "training wheel mode" to drag along Trey's development. I don't know how long BA, Deebo, and Kittle swallow their pride waiting for opportunities. That is a heck of a lot of EGO on this 49er offense.....I don't know how patient that collection can be. 5? 6? games sure no problem. 1 season? maybe...season and a half? I really doubt it.

I don't think Trey would have last all that long with Purdy running the scout team. The strongest early proponents of Brock seem to be dudes he was going against on the scout team. Brock was not a hidden gem inside the building, they knew they had SOMETHING in Brock. It was only a matter of time before he got an opportunity.

Good post, a lot of interesting insight.

I recall an interview Kittle did last offseason with Brandon Marshall and one other ex NFL player, and I remember they kept trying to rib Kittle on who he preferred playing with...Jimmy or Lance. Kittle just praised both of them highly, and offering the typical commentary you'd expect (i.e. how solid Jimmy was and his release, Trey with the wow plays).

And I genuinely thought that at that time, Kittle probably preferred Lance but had to be coy and make it seem even handed. Now perhaps he was being nice to Lance...

I gotta say.......the entire Lance/Jimmy threads could be NUKED if people got to be a fly on the wall with discussions the offensive players had among themselves, coaches among themselves. Imagine listening to Juice, BA, Kittle, Deebo, talking in groups or even just 1 on 1......

I'd trust whatever they said wholeheartedly.

I still have this glimmer of hope that Lance can still be a good NFL QB. I like to believe this is possible because I like the guy, and think he could be a good fit for a different offense. I just can't get over the fact that Kyle drafted him based on what he saw on tape.......I have so much trust in Kyle, that's why.

Probably the issue here is Kyle couldn't foresee how his complicated offense couldn't be simplified enough, fast enough, to make it work for Lance.

I guess on some level, the idea of Kaepernick 2.0 being unleashed is what many of us were hoping for. Because for 7 or 8 games, that was some exciting (albeit not super smooth) football.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We were on pace to a below .500 season with him at QB until the CMC trade. I don't care if we were technically 3-3 when the trade went down. CMC was only here 2-3 days before the Chiefs game, so I'm really counting it as being one of the CMC games. We weren't going to win s**t with Jimmy at QB until that trade went down. The only reason we had any success in 2021 was defense and Deebo/McDaniel and that formula wasn't going to work for us in 2022.

You're attributing too much of the team's success and/or failure on the QB position. This team is a contender with average QB play and that's been proven 3 separate years now since 2019.

The bottom line is playing Jimmy at the QB position instead of Trey is an improvement, regardless of your feeling about what the team eventually would have done. That's simply because Jimmy is a better player than Trey. Anybody with any reasonable understanding of the position can see this. The idea was that Trey would potentially develop and get better. Whether that would have actually happened is a guess and really didn't look likely at least in my opinion. Not any time soon at least.

I think you're the one attributing too much of the team's success to the QB position. This team last year could have carried Trey to a .500 record just like they carried Jimmy. We weren't winning anything with either of them, but once the CMC trade went down the team was fully capable of carrying a QB. Now we're seeing what it looks like for the first time in the KS era what it looks like when the QB is an actual contributor to the team's success rather than a hindrance.

And again one more time:

Kyle was really, 100% willing to go an entire season with Lance and be fine with Garoppolo being traded. Wasn't gonna take massive comp for Jimmy to be moved either....

So from that perspective, Kyle either genuinely believed in his potential or he's the most confident head coach of all time....

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?

Can't see either party (us and the potential #1 pick) ever agreeing to such a trade.

We have what seems like a perfect system fit at an absolute bottom barrel price, and Brock's league wide worth probably isn't enough to get up to the 1 spot for another team (in conjunction with 1 likely very low 1st rounder)

It's an interesting question though.

To me, I would consider it. As crazy as it sounds, I don't think I've ever seen a prospect as impressive as Caleb Williams and I was very high on Patrick Mahomes coming out.

Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Disagree, he was a good fit for Kyle's system. You don't go from 1-10 to 5-0 without some elite traits in your QB. Lazy mechanics really hurts his accuracy, and his lack of mobility hurts his ability to extend plays. Those WTF throws are when he's pressured up the middle or rushed, and one reason is he knows he doesn't have the wheels to get away, so again - mobility.

So that's my opinion. Get over it.

His shortcomings have always been between the ears, beyond the fact that he's injury prone.

Plenty of QB's throughout history have thrived without plus mobility. Jimmy's biggest problems weren't physical.

That said he has at least one elite physical trait and that's his quick release. He's nowhere near an elite QB and never has been. His problems were showing up before he tore his ACL and even could be identified on film in his five game win streak in '17.

Honestly thank god this Jimmy/Trey chapter is over. I view Jimmy's time here as mostly a positive but these crazy arguments will not be missed.

To me the in-between the ear issues stem a lot from his lack of physical attributes, one of them is mobility. The other is his atrocious mechanics. His feet aren't as quick as Brock's feet, for example. Brock can get in positon far faster to throw than even Trey Lance. Jimmy's other big problem is durability. Same thing with Trey. That hurts both of them in progressing further in Kyles system, and hence you see those mental errors cropping up because of the lack of reps, or continuity with their teammates.

Brock has that all important escapability that the 49er legends of old did. So 🏹🏹🏹 up for Brock as they say.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Trey is a nice likable guy is the take away I get from his interviews.....

I also get from his interviews, he is not a very confident guy.....

I could see a team rally around their little brother for a time, and protect him when he makes mistakes....but there is an expiration date on how long that can last at any level, let alone in a pro level league.

"I just want to go out and get better" is an excuse that is already worn out by year 3, and the dude probably has a lot more mistakes in front of him before he is stable and standing on two legs.

My take from last year......was a big weight was lifted off the teams shoulders when Trey went down. I think that was legit response of relief we got from the team when Jimmy G walked on to the field. I suspect the team did not have a whole ton of faith that Trey was "the man".

There is a ton of high level dudes on the team starting with the head coach. I don't know how long Shanny can sit around with his offense in "training wheel mode" to drag along Trey's development. I don't know how long BA, Deebo, and Kittle swallow their pride waiting for opportunities. That is a heck of a lot of EGO on this 49er offense.....I don't know how patient that collection can be. 5? 6? games sure no problem. 1 season? maybe...season and a half? I really doubt it.

I don't think Trey would have last all that long with Purdy running the scout team. The strongest early proponents of Brock seem to be dudes he was going against on the scout team. Brock was not a hidden gem inside the building, they knew they had SOMETHING in Brock. It was only a matter of time before he got an opportunity.

It's really hard to see this any other way for a variety of reasons. Not only did the team improve in the immediate short term by getting Jimmy in over Trey, but it was the first domino that fell on the path to getting Brock an opportunity he may not have had otherwise. The other positive from Trey's injury is it prevented what seemed like an almost inevitable situation where the team's offense continues to underperform and the players know they have better options on the bench. This team has been very strong in terms of unity and chemistry from an outside perspective, and Kyle and CO. were gambling with this by potentially sacrificing the team's ceiling to develop Trey. It was really bad in my opinion and had the potential for disaster.

That said, the injury itself was a terrible thing for Trey. It doesn't feel good to think it was a positive for the team because Trey is a great kid and was doing everything the right way. He's easy to root for as a person in spite of not being a good enough player for the team in the state it's in.

I Absolutely agree. It's just wild to look back at the things that took place, how awful the result should of been, and how we are in a phenomenal situation somehow. Lmao literally because of the last pick in the draft. Lmao the odds of this working out how it has is insanity.

"hey.. you're going to trade one of the largest fortunes in nfl history for a qb that will barley every play for you, show essentially zero signs of being a good player and trade him away for a fortune round pick. But don't worry, you're going to select a qb with the last pick in the nfl draft the following year and it'll all work out great. Oh, and your head coach and gm will get extensions". Lmaoo I'd tell whoever said that they're smoking rocks.