Originally posted by mattster03:
Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?
Take your pick.
[ Edited by dj43 on Oct 5, 2023 at 3:37 PM ]
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Originally posted by mattster03:
Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I think you're the one attributing too much of the team's success to the QB position. This team last year could have carried Trey to a .500 record just like they carried Jimmy. We weren't winning anything with either of them, but once the CMC trade went down the team was fully capable of carrying a QB. Now we're seeing what it looks like for the first time in the KS era what it looks like when the QB is an actual contributor to the team's success rather than a hindrance.
Yea, I'm not. As I argued all offseason there was ample evidence to suggest the team couldn't carry Trey and still win and zero evidence that they could. The team was dysfunctional offensively in every appearance he had outside of 1 quarter against a really bad Texans team. His problems were glaring on tape in all of those games.
QB isn't plug and play. Jimmy is an average starter in the league and Trey isn't close to that. There is absolutely zero actual evidence to make an argument that an offense wouldn't be affected negatively by playing a considerably worse player at the most important position. We saw it. Some just aren't capable of recognizing it. Weren't you among those predicting a slow start again this year? Pretty sure you were. Slow starts happen for a reason… it's not simply a matter of our team DNA, lol.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by mattster03:
Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?
Take your pick.
Originally posted by Patton:
Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?
Why? We already have a QB that hasn't lost a regular season game. Is that not good enough to keep? Lol I don't get it.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
Originally posted by Jcool:Health was part of it, not being able to execute the plays was the main issue
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
Jimmy was a good QB for the 49ers. His biggest issue was an inability to stay healthy.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Patton:
Originally posted by scooterp10:
Trade Brock and a 1st for Caleb Williams?
Why? We already have a QB that hasn't lost a regular season game. Is that not good enough to keep? Lol I don't get it.
Some folks enamored with potential vs actual. That's how I see it.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Jcool:Health was part of it, not being able to execute the plays was the main issue
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
Jimmy was a good QB for the 49ers. His biggest issue was an inability to stay healthy.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I think you're the one attributing too much of the team's success to the QB position. This team last year could have carried Trey to a .500 record just like they carried Jimmy. We weren't winning anything with either of them, but once the CMC trade went down the team was fully capable of carrying a QB. Now we're seeing what it looks like for the first time in the KS era what it looks like when the QB is an actual contributor to the team's success rather than a hindrance.
Yea, I'm not. As I argued all offseason there was ample evidence to suggest the team couldn't carry Trey and still win and zero evidence that they could. The team was dysfunctional offensively in every appearance he had outside of 1 quarter against a really bad Texans team. His problems were glaring on tape in all of those games.
QB isn't plug and play. Jimmy is an average starter in the league and Trey isn't close to that. There is absolutely zero actual evidence to make an argument that an offense wouldn't be affected negatively by playing a considerably worse player at the most important position. We saw it. Some just aren't capable of recognizing it. Weren't you among those predicting a slow start again this year? Pretty sure you were. Slow starts happen for a reason… it's not simply a matter of our team DNA, lol.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
Jimmy was a good QB for the 49ers. His biggest issue was an inability to stay healthy.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
We really doing this again? lol
Pretty soon some will be comparing Purdy to Minshew, Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy etc
and Lance to Allen, Hurts, etc
I though posters got this all out of there system in the off-season before Kyle and the rest of the league slapped them with reality.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
We really doing this again? lol
Pretty soon some will be comparing Purdy to Minshew, Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy etc
and Lance to Allen, Hurts, etc
I though posters got this all out of there system in the off-season before Kyle and the rest of the league slapped them with reality.
Admittedly I'm kicking myself for being baited into another dumbass argument. But at the same time I enjoy talking about it on a lot of levels.
We'll always have the fun of the last couple offseasons lol.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't care which of them is a better piece of garbage. The team wasn't going to be above .500 with either of them. This team had to pull so many miracles and all-pros out of their ass to make Jimmy into a semi-functional QB. Thank god we don't have to deal with that s**t anymore.
Why are you even talking about a slow start? If I thought we might start slow, it had more to do with Purdy's rehab from his UCL than anything to do with team DNA.
I'm talking about the slow starts because I remember your previous arguments and it goes hand in hand with how badly you misunderstand what kind of team the 49ers are and have been, and with how you think an average starting QB is effectively interchangeable with a guy who is probably going to be out of the league in the next couple of years. It's utter nonsense on so many levels, lol. You clearly don't recognize why we had the slow starts. And on a side note I'm pretty certain I could dig up your posts and find arguments for slow starts outside of being concerned about Brock's injury.
Again this argument we're having boils down to whether any NFL team would be better with Jimmy at QB than Trey. You may not want either ideally but they are not the same quality of player currently. It's not close.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You got all of that out of one comment pushing back on the idea that we were some massively improved team with Jimmy at the start of last year vs. with Trey, eh? I don't care about Jimmy vs. Trey enough to debate about which loser will still be in the league in a few years. We're 4-0 with Purdy and he's playing well. I'm sorry for interrupting your fetish for reminding us of how much you hate Trey (a player not on the team who has no impact on this team going forward).