QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah I think what more people should be asking is "how did everyone miss him in the evaluation?"

I personally think too many people try to evaluate QBs the same way you evaluate all the other positions - rely way too much on physical measurable and think they're relevant. QB is the one position where physical tools don't determine your potential, like it does for WR/CB/OL/DL etc.

I mean all of this sounds good until you have to give your list of the Top 5 QBs in the 2024 NFL Draft,...and your job may be on the line.

If it were as easy as correcting these cliches,....there wouldn't be very many misses.

This topic has been analyzed and overanalyzed to death. At the end of the day there's always gonna be guys that slip through the cracks due to the amount of CFB teams and players there are.

There's nothing surprising @ all about guys like Brock slipping through the cracks.

Tom Brady was 6th round. Joe Montana was 3rd round. They don't always get it right. At QB in fact they very often get it wrong. QB is 90% shoulder pads on up. Between the ears. That's where Brock_Star has the force. Same way Montana and Brady did.

One of the hardest things to evaluate is whether a College QB is being elevated because of superior players around him, or is it because he's the QB that is the one elevating the players around him? A QB throws a touchdown. Is it because the WR was superior to the DB that *any* QB can throw to him, or was it because the QB was so good that he threw it to where *only* the WR could only get it to score.

Jerry Rice and Tim Brown made Rich Gannon look like the second coming of Dan Marino. I think choosing QB's is always going to be a lottery pick. I doubt it will ever become some sort of science where a S2 test (for example) will - with 95% confidence - spot the next hall of fame QB.

Credit to ShanaLynch to have the balls to call up Bill Belichick to see if they could trade for Tom Brady. But they did - eventually - get the next best thing in Jimmy Garoppolo. Without that call to Bill, I don't know if Jimmy would have wound up with the 49ers. Same with Brock, Kyle's really put a lot of effort to beef up and train the scouting department. He had the front office personnel work with his coaches (Griese and Slowik) to look for guys like Brock Purdy and whalla, Brock's a 3rd string QB and becomes a starting QB in his system.

Point being, getting a QB like Brock is just pure LUCK, but a lot of times, *luck* is spelled W.O.R.K.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Aiyuk's learned his lesson. He's catching everything from Brock now. He wants his *the Catch* highlight reel to be legendary when it happens in the super bowl!

We may be seeing the greatest NFL story in history unfold before our eyes 🥹🥹

Just get to Vegas please!!!

Originally posted by Silky:
I'm still in disbelief that this is who Lance was supposed to be, but it's not Lance. Last pick of the draft. You can't make this stuff up

It's pretty wild yes. The guy in less than 18 months went from last pick of the draft to MVP candidate.
In the same way, Fred Warner was supposed to be a good sidekick for Foster.
And he became from day one of the leaders of the team.
Football is weird isn't it?
It's easy to scout guys like Trent Williams or Nick Bosa. The rest, good luck.^^

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by thl408:
Brock was making tight window anticipation throws Sunday night. I hope the football world saw how he isn't simply dinking his way down the field and relying on the YAC Bros to do the heavy lifting.
After a couple passes got batted down early, I thought that was going to be the gameplan for DAL. Luckily that didn't hold up, but it could be something to watch for as teams come up with ways to try and slow down Brock.

I feel like a lot of the all pro/pro bowl selections are made from prime time games. Those are the ones that all the coaches and players actually watch. So our team stuntin like that on Sunday night football was huge. Fred is almost guaranteed to get all pro now. Brock should get at least a pro bowl. I'm glad our boys showed out.

what's exciting is the browns like to try and throw deep, so we should be able to rack up sacks against them with our pass rush. I think we dominate the brownies

This game set the record for viewers for SNF, 26 million plus NFL fans saw Brock break it off in Dallas, then sit down on the bench for almost all of the fourth quarter and sip water while our backups held Dallas scoreless for a quarter.

A lot of guys on our squad earned themselves pro bowls/all pros on Sunday night. I think greenlaw finally breaks through, he had a great game too.

i listened to the micd up videos of our guys(deebo and Warner)… man the team was so confident and excited to go into this game. Lol cowboys never stood a chance.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Aiyuk's learned his lesson. He's catching everything from Brock now. He wants his *the Catch* highlight reel to be legendary when it happens in the super bowl!

We may be seeing the greatest NFL story in history unfold before our eyes 🥹🥹

Just get to Vegas please!!!

Not just get, but win it! If this team stays healthy, focused, and disciplined - then they can definitely go down in history with some special accomplishments. It's still super early in the season but the talent is all there. Idk if I've ever seen such a stacked team with so many young all pros/pro bowlers. Especially one mainly home grown, not like the Bucs where everyone just signed on outside of a couple players.

Originally posted by pdc20:
It's pretty wild yes. The guy in less than 18 months went from last pick of the draft to MVP candidate.
In the same way, Fred Warner was supposed to be a good sidekick for Foster.
And he became from day one of the leaders of the team.
Football is weird isn't it?
It's easy to scout guys like Trent Williams or Nick Bosa. The rest, good luck.^^

thats why i have a very different philosophy in draft i don't think there is such a thing as a "reach" if you like a player because you think he fits your system and role go draft him

people always complain that they reached on a 4th round guy and really the draft is so luck-based. They are a few blue-chip prospects but outside that its really just a guess . In the end who cares where they are drafted as long as they contribute

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
they put orlovsky on facetime and he was back pedaling like an elite cornerback lolol

yeah...no

I think I have seen all but maybe 3 or 4 Mac Jones's games, and all of Purdy's games....

For a time...Mac Jones would be much better on the 49ers then the Pats....period....full stop.....

Having said that....Mac Jones is cancer...I think he could implode anywhere...but I think he would implode faster on the 49ers...he is not a culture fit. Dude is acting like a jackass on a rebuilding team...he would go full Karen on a team that is expecting to get deep in the playoffs. Jimmy G's "your plays suck" is just scratching the surface of Mac Jones's personality flaws.

Also, I think he is slower than Purdy by quite a bit, and his passes have less zip. Purdy has made throws I have not seen Mac Jones make, he certainly has not made the volume of anticipatory throws that Purdy has made. Many of Purdy's signature plays this early in his career have involved buying time to get a passing lane, Jones has less mobility, and more importantly less pocket awareness.

so yeah....would Jones be better on the 49ers? Absolutely....does that make him Purdy level....hell no.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah I think what more people should be asking is "how did everyone miss him in the evaluation?"

I personally think too many people try to evaluate QBs the same way you evaluate all the other positions - rely way too much on physical measurable and think they're relevant. QB is the one position where physical tools don't determine your potential, like it does for WR/CB/OL/DL etc.

You ain't wrong...that is for sure....

NFL teams has such little access to players even AFTER they draft them. Some things are just really hard to know. On top of that college coaches have a hell of an incentive to flat out mislead the NFL to get their guy drafted. So it is just hard to really know what you are drafting.

These scouts have homes to pay for, cars to pay for, families to raise.... I think we get these paint by numbers scouting reports because scouts have to produce something for the teams. What can they tell their boss with absolutely certainty? They want to produce accurate information as frequently as they can.

It is like any other Fortune 500 company...something can fail but as long as it is not MY fault..it is all good. " I didn't say the dude was Barry Sanders...I said the dude runs a 4.40 and was 220 pounds...." The GM's also have an incentive to say we did this because of that. You get a guy that has a rare talent and fails, and it is much easier to swallow than taking a guy on a gut feeling.

I think that is the crux of the whole problem. The NFL has to measure what they know, but what they don't know is actually so much more important for the QB position. So few QBs can consistently harness their God given talents.

There was a skit in the 80s depicting something like this.... A scout tells a GM...."yeah we got this QB that just put a football through a brick wall....." The GM was like "well...damn lets recruit that guy...." so the scout replies " yeah....might want to hold up on that....the QB... umm missed the field of play and put the ball into the stands and decapitated a hotdog vendor...." to which the GM replied...." so is he going to have an availability concern?"

It was aimed at GMs wanting a certain talent set, regardless of wether or not the QB is actually functional.....anyways...your post reminded me of it.

The NFL hasn't been able to develop a test that reliably evaluates a QB's ability to process what he sees while under pressure. That's one of the biggest parts of playing the position. Arm strength is irrelevant if you can't get the pass off or can't spot the open guy. I think the average time for getting the ball out is somewhere around 3 seconds. Sometimes it's less.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah I think what more people should be asking is "how did everyone miss him in the evaluation?"

I personally think too many people try to evaluate QBs the same way you evaluate all the other positions - rely way too much on physical measurable and think they're relevant. QB is the one position where physical tools don't determine your potential, like it does for WR/CB/OL/DL etc.

You ain't wrong...that is for sure....

NFL teams has such little access to players even AFTER they draft them. Some things are just really hard to know. On top of that college coaches have a hell of an incentive to flat out mislead the NFL to get their guy drafted. So it is just hard to really know what you are drafting.

These scouts have homes to pay for, cars to pay for, families to raise.... I think we get these paint by numbers scouting reports because scouts have to produce something for the teams. What can they tell their boss with absolutely certainty? They want to produce accurate information as frequently as they can.

It is like any other Fortune 500 company...something can fail but as long as it is not MY fault..it is all good. " I didn't say the dude was Barry Sanders...I said the dude runs a 4.40 and was 220 pounds...." The GM's also have an incentive to say we did this because of that. You get a guy that has a rare talent and fails, and it is much easier to swallow than taking a guy on a gut feeling.

I think that is the crux of the whole problem. The NFL has to measure what they know, but what they don't know is actually so much more important for the QB position. So few QBs can consistently harness their God given talents.

There was a skit in the 80s depicting something like this.... A scout tells a GM...."yeah we got this QB that just put a football through a brick wall....." The GM was like "well...damn lets recruit that guy...." so the scout replies " yeah....might want to hold up on that....the QB... umm missed the field of play and put the ball into the stands and decapitated a hotdog vendor...." to which the GM replied...." so is he going to have an availability concern?"

It was aimed at GMs wanting a certain talent set, regardless of wether or not the QB is actually functional.....anyways...your post reminded me of it.

Scouts and GMs know more about players now than they did back then.

trying to know more will not help finding that special player, greatness happens without notice

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL hasn't been able to develop a test that reliably evaluates a QB's ability to process what he sees while under pressure. That's one of the biggest parts of playing the position. Arm strength is irrelevant if you can't get the pass off or can't spot the open guy. I think the average time for getting the ball out is somewhere around 3 seconds. Sometimes it's less.

Through the first 5 weeks of this season, the average has been around 3.3 seconds before a QB is pressured.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL hasn't been able to develop a test that reliably evaluates a QB's ability to process what he sees while under pressure. That's one of the biggest parts of playing the position. Arm strength is irrelevant if you can't get the pass off or can't spot the open guy. I think the average time for getting the ball out is somewhere around 3 seconds. Sometimes it's less.

Through the first 5 weeks of this season, the average has been around 3.3 seconds before a QB is pressured.

I knew it was somewhere around that. Guys like Mahomes and Allen that are often able to extend plays skew the average a little.

Let's enjoy this one more time, even though it went back for holding

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Brock Purdy already earning comparisons to some GOATs 👀 pic.twitter.com/uZ0YdstPPC

— KNBR (@KNBR) October 10, 2023

Brock is playing like Montana in his prime. The sample is still small, but what we're seeing from Brock is historic.