QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Tom Moore is a beast. He is Bill Walsh level genius. You can see some Tom Moore stuff in Shanny's offense even today.

He was also a big time timing guy, the big difference in-between Moore and Walsh was Walsh eventually developed the WCO to be asymmetrically balanced. Yes Walsh used split backs so the run threat could go left or right, but passing wise it was built to be Flanker dominant. The whole Jim Mora era 3-4 was built to shade to the Flanker side to create more traffic around the ball. Moore on the other hand was symmetrically balanced with a single back two TE offense. There was no shade this way or that way it was a double Flanker offense. I am pretty sure he was the first offense to produce 2 1000 yard WRs and a 1000 yard back. A big part of his offense was how flippable it was. With both Flankers 3 yards behind the LOS and the TEs covering the line...plays can be called left or right. It basically cuts the book work in half. The offense had half the plays of a "normal" offense since the defense was not tipped off to intent because the system was symmetrical.

Both offenses had pass patterns that are really just designed to get blockers in the right place at the right time to set up RAC, not really intended targets. So very similar over the middle stuff. Both offenses absolutely needed the QB to be on time and in rhythm.

Moore would have dominated with a Purdy like player during his Lions years. If he had a guy that could look off the Safety the way Brock can, and put the ball on target in rhythm ....dude.... Purdy could have rivaled Dan Marino. Tom Moore is that good, and I think Purdy is too.

Manning was so lucky to have a guy like Tom moore for essentially his entire time in Indy. That consistency is amazing for a QB. Some guys like darnold and Alex smith get shafted by the constant change in systems and coordinators.

Originally posted by tankle104:


I love how juice is saying that this team doesn't have to worry about getting ahead of themselves. Focusing on one game at a time.

Such a cool interview! Sherm built some serious bonds in his time with SF.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I don't have an opinion on Love yet. My comment was related to the idea of investing 6-8 weeks in developing Trey Lance. The 'zone would not be as calm as it is today had we endured those 6 weeks of Love-football instead of Purdy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I think GB pulls the plug on finding Love this season of the NFL

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I don't have an opinion on Love yet. My comment was related to the idea of investing 6-8 weeks in developing Trey Lance. The 'zone would not be as calm as it is today had we endured those 6 weeks of Love-football instead of Purdy.

Love has performed a lot better than Lance and it's why you are not hearing the uproar as Fields, Mac or any other QB is getting

Love had an easy seat sitting behind AR for 3 years, i wouldn't say it's the same as us. But they are giving him a chance, like we did last year with Lance

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I think GB pulls the plug on finding Love this season of the NFL

whats love got to do with it

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I don't have an opinion on Love yet. My comment was related to the idea of investing 6-8 weeks in developing Trey Lance. The 'zone would not be as calm as it is today had we endured those 6 weeks of Love-football instead of Purdy.

It make no sense to see what we have in Trey or another raw prospect when you have Brock Purdy who not only has the potential to be the best QB in the league, but is already playing at a high level.

The one's who wanted to see Trey on the field over Brock were either irrational and biased, or they have a complete misjudgement on Brock's potential.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Tom Moore is a beast. He is Bill Walsh level genius. You can see some Tom Moore stuff in Shanny's offense even today.

He was also a big time timing guy, the big difference in-between Moore and Walsh was Walsh eventually developed the WCO to be asymmetrically balanced. Yes Walsh used split backs so the run threat could go left or right, but passing wise it was built to be Flanker dominant. The whole Jim Mora era 3-4 was built to shade to the Flanker side to create more traffic around the ball. Moore on the other hand was symmetrically balanced with a single back two TE offense. There was no shade this way or that way it was a double Flanker offense. I am pretty sure he was the first offense to produce 2 1000 yard WRs and a 1000 yard back. A big part of his offense was how flippable it was. With both Flankers 3 yards behind the LOS and the TEs covering the line...plays can be called left or right. It basically cuts the book work in half. The offense had half the plays of a "normal" offense since the defense was not tipped off to intent because the system was symmetrical.

Both offenses had pass patterns that are really just designed to get blockers in the right place at the right time to set up RAC, not really intended targets. So very similar over the middle stuff. Both offenses absolutely needed the QB to be on time and in rhythm.

Moore would have dominated with a Purdy like player during his Lions years. If he had a guy that could look off the Safety the way Brock can, and put the ball on target in rhythm ....dude.... Purdy could have rivaled Dan Marino. Tom Moore is that good, and I think Purdy is too.

Manning was so lucky to have a guy like Tom moore for essentially his entire time in Indy. That consistency is amazing for a QB. Some guys like darnold and Alex smith get shafted by the constant change in systems and coordinators.

thanks for this discussion. Didn't know about Moore. figured it was all manning.

Originally posted by Mankster:

Originally posted by tankle104:


I love how juice is saying that this team doesn't have to worry about getting ahead of themselves. Focusing on one game at a time.

Such a cool interview! Sherm built some serious bonds in his time with SF.

Even though he won a chip in seattle, I feel like he enjoyed the relationship with the team (coach and management) more with the 49ers. He obviously has a great bond with several Seahawks he played with but he is such a big niner fan now that I think he really enjoyed his time here and the way the team treated him.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I don't have an opinion on Love yet. My comment was related to the idea of investing 6-8 weeks in developing Trey Lance. The 'zone would not be as calm as it is today had we endured those 6 weeks of Love-football instead of Purdy.

Love has performed a lot better than Lance and it's why you are not hearing the uproar as Fields, Mac or any other QB is getting

Love had an easy seat sitting behind AR for 3 years, i wouldn't say it's the same as us. But they are giving him a chance, like we did last year with Lance

Yes Love has shown far more than Trey thus far. Having said that, Love might still end up being a bust, we don't know yet.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Tom Moore is a beast. He is Bill Walsh level genius. You can see some Tom Moore stuff in Shanny's offense even today.

He was also a big time timing guy, the big difference in-between Moore and Walsh was Walsh eventually developed the WCO to be asymmetrically balanced. Yes Walsh used split backs so the run threat could go left or right, but passing wise it was built to be Flanker dominant. The whole Jim Mora era 3-4 was built to shade to the Flanker side to create more traffic around the ball. Moore on the other hand was symmetrically balanced with a single back two TE offense. There was no shade this way or that way it was a double Flanker offense. I am pretty sure he was the first offense to produce 2 1000 yard WRs and a 1000 yard back. A big part of his offense was how flippable it was. With both Flankers 3 yards behind the LOS and the TEs covering the line...plays can be called left or right. It basically cuts the book work in half. The offense had half the plays of a "normal" offense since the defense was not tipped off to intent because the system was symmetrical.

Both offenses had pass patterns that are really just designed to get blockers in the right place at the right time to set up RAC, not really intended targets. So very similar over the middle stuff. Both offenses absolutely needed the QB to be on time and in rhythm.

Moore would have dominated with a Purdy like player during his Lions years. If he had a guy that could look off the Safety the way Brock can, and put the ball on target in rhythm ....dude.... Purdy could have rivaled Dan Marino. Tom Moore is that good, and I think Purdy is too.

Manning was so lucky to have a guy like Tom moore for essentially his entire time in Indy. That consistency is amazing for a QB. Some guys like darnold and Alex smith get shafted by the constant change in systems and coordinators.

thanks for this discussion. Didn't know about Moore. figured it was all manning.

Manning was a special player in his own right, but moore helped get the best out of him. It was a great pairing. Usually every great player has a great coach alongside them - takes two to tango.

in mannings case, he was able to have the same offensive system and coach for his first 12 or so years in the league, he's very fortunate for that. I'm sure he would of still been an awesome player but I think it helped get the best out of him.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Mankster:

Originally posted by tankle104:


I love how juice is saying that this team doesn't have to worry about getting ahead of themselves. Focusing on one game at a time.

Such a cool interview! Sherm built some serious bonds in his time with SF.

Even though he won a chip in seattle, I feel like he enjoyed the relationship with the team (coach and management) more with the 49ers. He obviously has a great bond with several Seahawks he played with but he is such a big niner fan now that I think he really enjoyed his time here and the way the team treated him.

I think he didn't like how Pete Carroll protected Russell Wilson and made him the hero. He doesn't have any issues at this magnitude with Kyle and this team. He likes Jimmy G much more than Russell. Jimmy G might be mediocre and not return text message, but teammates love Jimmy G.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
No, just investing time in Love.

Love I think will turn out just fine, not everyone is a Brock Purdy, from the jump

I don't have an opinion on Love yet. My comment was related to the idea of investing 6-8 weeks in developing Trey Lance. The 'zone would not be as calm as it is today had we endured those 6 weeks of Love-football instead of Purdy.

Love has performed a lot better than Lance and it's why you are not hearing the uproar as Fields, Mac or any other QB is getting

Love had an easy seat sitting behind AR for 3 years, i wouldn't say it's the same as us. But they are giving him a chance, like we did last year with Lance

Yes Love has shown far more than Trey thus far. Having said that, Love might still end up being a bust, we don't know yet.

Trey had the best situation I've ever seen a young QB, or really any QB, ever get between the coaching, surrounding talent, scheme, and defense. Outside of his injuries. He couldn't put it together in practice, camp, or the few games he played. He couldn't even get the team comfortable with his play to want him on the field. His play was pretty bad, borderline awful.

love has played decent against the bad teams and bad against the good teams. He would most likely be worthless against the best teams. He may get better, but it's unlikely. I haven't seen any flashes of great potential out of him. I think He'll be a bust relative to where he was drafted but I'm sure he will stick around the league for quite a while as a backup/bridge is qb. Who knows though, it's early, but I don't like what I've seen. Even his body language is pretty poor.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Tom Moore is a beast. He is Bill Walsh level genius. You can see some Tom Moore stuff in Shanny's offense even today.

He was also a big time timing guy, the big difference in-between Moore and Walsh was Walsh eventually developed the WCO to be asymmetrically balanced. Yes Walsh used split backs so the run threat could go left or right, but passing wise it was built to be Flanker dominant. The whole Jim Mora era 3-4 was built to shade to the Flanker side to create more traffic around the ball. Moore on the other hand was symmetrically balanced with a single back two TE offense. There was no shade this way or that way it was a double Flanker offense. I am pretty sure he was the first offense to produce 2 1000 yard WRs and a 1000 yard back. A big part of his offense was how flippable it was. With both Flankers 3 yards behind the LOS and the TEs covering the line...plays can be called left or right. It basically cuts the book work in half. The offense had half the plays of a "normal" offense since the defense was not tipped off to intent because the system was symmetrical.

Both offenses had pass patterns that are really just designed to get blockers in the right place at the right time to set up RAC, not really intended targets. So very similar over the middle stuff. Both offenses absolutely needed the QB to be on time and in rhythm.

Moore would have dominated with a Purdy like player during his Lions years. If he had a guy that could look off the Safety the way Brock can, and put the ball on target in rhythm ....dude.... Purdy could have rivaled Dan Marino. Tom Moore is that good, and I think Purdy is too.

Manning was so lucky to have a guy like Tom moore for essentially his entire time in Indy. That consistency is amazing for a QB. Some guys like darnold and Alex smith get shafted by the constant change in systems and coordinators.

Truth!

Indy Moore is different then Lions Moore.... I really preferred the Lion's version of that offense.

Even more impressive Tom Moore took Scott Freaken Mitchell to a 4300 yard season with 32tds and 12 picks...on the lions.... Manning only had that many or more yards, TDs and lack of interceptions ONCE during his career, and Manning did not have to share the ball with Barry Sanders.

Tom Moore is one of my top 3 favorite offensive guys.

Remember when we were talking about Walsh, Levy and Robinson growing up as neighbors.... Moore had his roots in that k-gun offense. So there is some Walsh/WCO offense in Moore's system. Indy Moore is much closer to that k-gun stuff.

It is rumored that lion's Moore only had 20 plays in total with only 14 or so of then just being flipped left and right and 3 redzone plays (6 flipped). VERY friendly playbook, dude would have been an insane college coach. Freshman would hit the field knowing exactly what is going on...lol HS systems have thicker playbooks.

Even the Colt's offense was simply as all get out, it just was not a symmetrical system by then because man to man was dying and you have to overload zones these days...

here is an article that breaks down how simple the Colt's offense was...the whole premise is Manning ran the same stuff over and over and over, people just can't stop it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120524044720/http://smartfootball.com/offense/peyton-manning-and-tom-moores-indianapolis-colts-offense

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Mankster:

Originally posted by tankle104:


I love how juice is saying that this team doesn't have to worry about getting ahead of themselves. Focusing on one game at a time.

Such a cool interview! Sherm built some serious bonds in his time with SF.

Even though he won a chip in seattle, I feel like he enjoyed the relationship with the team (coach and management) more with the 49ers. He obviously has a great bond with several Seahawks he played with but he is such a big niner fan now that I think he really enjoyed his time here and the way the team treated him.

I think he didn't like how Pete Carroll protected Russell Wilson and made him the hero. He doesn't have any issues at this magnitude with Kyle and this team. He likes Jimmy G much more than Russell. Jimmy G might be mediocre and not return text message, but teammates love Jimmy G.

Yeah, Jimmy was more of "one of the guys". And didn't place himself above everyone. Hearing how Russell Wilson was is insane. No wonder the players didn't like him. I can see how that fractured the trust with the coaching staff amongst the defensive players too.

i just love how our teams culture is. It's awesome when a guy is here for a period and looks back on it so fondly, considers themselves a 49er. It's awesome