QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Shannon Sharpe had too many hits to the head if he can't see that Brock is elite. if it was all Shanahan every loser before Brock would've been top tier too and they weren't

That's strange, he's been heavy on the praise for weeks. Must need clicks. Also, someone on the team mentioned that Purdy's arm is still only about %90 and will get better as he heals up fully.

Who said his arm isn't 100%

Don't remember, it might have been someone from the team on the local sports talk station, but they were quoting Purdy. I'll try and find it on my YouTube history, I think it was on 95.7 YouTube channel.

IF his arm isn't 100% full strength, then that's incredible. Means he will add more zip and velocity to his ball as the season goes on 0.0

his arm looks great to me. More than enough strength and zip, couple that with his touch, accuracy, and anticipation - it's honestly unstoppable. Not even good defense can stop this defense if that's true. Like that throw to Aiyuk that was called back - that was unstoppable. It was good defense with a sliver of an opening and it was put in the bread basket perfectly.

it feels so good to have a qb who's CONSISTENTLY playing at an elite level.

it always bothered me that Jimmy played like he did in that saints game and then never did it again, like wtf?! With Brock, he just is always ready and always wants to be great out there. It's a beautiful thing.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I would think the goal of most QBs is to be a successful system QB not to confuse with game manager.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I think it depends on how you define certain things. To me, a system qb is where a qb is playing at a higher level than they're typically capable of because the system is providing opportunities.

a system IS supposed to do that, absolutely, but then the question is - what happens when the play isn't open? Or breaks down? Or requires a tight window throw? Requires you to move off the first read and go to the second or third? Etc.

a truly elite qb can elevate the system just as much as the system elevates the qb. Jimmy is a great example, kyles system elevated him and protected him from himself for the most part. With Brock, he maximizes the systems potential and more because of his processing, accuracy, anticipation, pre/post snap reads.

it needs to be a give and take, IMO. When a QB relies on the system, I consider that a system qb. When a qb can help the system just as much as the system helps it - that's an elite QB and what we are seeing with Brock. Brock doesn't NEED the system to make a play for him, he can help it make a play.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
I think a lot of the discourse is all over the place because everyone has broad definitions of what makes someone an elite QB. That's a whole discussion in it of itself.

But I want to say that Brock does have one elite trait that makes him perhaps the best QB in the league for our system--- his Anticipation. People aren't recognizing it, but if you look at the film, it's why he and the offense are flourishing. Brock's able to get the ball to the receivers perfectly on time. Defenders aren't able to react to it fast enough, and our receivers can make big plays because of it.

From the shoulder pads up is what makes Brock elite. Between the ears. Everything he does there. Fans don't always see that or understand. But I think a lot of coaches, players and ex players do. Processing pre and post snap. Going through reads and progressions at lightning speed. Elite anticipation and timing. Making the right decision. Getting the ball out quick. Having great mechanics and throwing an accurate ball that can easily be caught usually in stride.

I think the media 'analysts' that aren't impressed with what Brock is doing are watching the throw itself and not what it takes to make that throw. Meaning, they see a 15 yard throw over the middle and think, "anyone can make that throw, it's not hard". What they don't recognize is the mental work that has to take place to pull the trigger on that throw. They are looking at his throws in a vacuum.

They seem more impressed when a QB misses the window to throw on rhythm, which then forces the QB to escape the rush, throw on the run from an unorthodox arm slot, and think, "wow that was so elite!". Meanwhile, had Brock executed that same playcall, the throw is out on time once he completes his dropback. It looks easy because Brock makes it look easy, not because it is easy. You'd think that after recently watching JFields/ZWilson struggle to read defenses that they would understand that Brock does not struggle to read defenses.

Yeah that's a lot of it. I agree. They want to see 75 yard rockets like Justin Herbert. But they don't understand processing and reading a defense, anticipation, timing, mechanics and accuracy are hugely important at QB. Probably more important really.

I don't watch a lot of other QB's, but I'm not sure how well they would do in our system and playmakers. Shanahan could definitely do awesome things with, say, Josh Allen in the run game and with his mobility... but I'm unsure that he could throw it with near Purdy's timing / accuracy so that guys can catch and run to the level that they do. Would still be a top offense, but Shanahan would cater it, and I'm not sure if we get as much YAC.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I would think the goal of most QBs is to be a successful system QB not to confuse with game manager.

Good take and after a matter of time those "managers" end up being the ones calling the offense. Brady called his own plays and let his OC know what plays he liked so thats all that was called. Peyton in Denver was basically his own OC, he relied on the OC to coach the rest of the offense but Peyton had the freedom to call any play he liked.

Brock is 3-5 years and a superbowl away from that obviously... but if this works out and him and shanny are still friends haha, Brock will be getting input from Shanny about 3 possible plays and brock decides on what he is comfortable with against the defensive front. Again, probably 5 years away with continued success from that point but it could happen.

Edit: What I mean by QBs calling their own plays is that no Manning or Brady has an OC they dont get along with. And in the QB rooms they will let that OC know the plays they like. And if in a game they hear a play call they disagree with they will overide it in the huddle. Manning, Brady, Rodgers all did that because they have the experience and typically have an older coach that understands. Mahomes has even started to do this in some circumstances with his safety net Kelce. They run a play and tell Kelce just find a soft spot in the zone and Ill find you.

Im actually happy that most media is refusing to give him credit because in 2019 they were going crazy for that 4-0 Carolina Panthers QB. Kyle Allen I think. Lol.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I would think the goal of most QBs is to be a successful system QB not to confuse with game manager.

Good take and after a matter of time those "managers" end up being the ones calling the offense. Brady called his own plays and let his OC know what plays he liked so thats all that was called. Peyton in Denver was basically his own OC, he relied on the OC to coach the rest of the offense but Peyton had the freedom to call any play he liked.

Brock is 3-5 years and a superbowl away from that obviously... but if this works out and him and shanny are still friends haha, Brock will be getting input from Shanny about 3 possible plays and brock decides on what he is comfortable with against the defensive front. Again, probably 5 years away with continued success from that point but it could happen.

He does not need to call all the plays imo. Just veto and audible the dumb ones when Kyle makes a mistake.

I'd like to see him get to the point where if the plays not coming in clearly enough and on time he audibles to his own call and avoids us burning timeouts like we have seen for delay of game.
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Once he's working in tandem vetoing stuff he does not like then I would say our chance to win goes up dramatically.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I think it depends on how you define certain things. To me, a system qb is where a qb is playing at a higher level than they're typically capable of because the system is providing opportunities.

a system IS supposed to do that, absolutely, but then the question is - what happens when the play isn't open? Or breaks down? Or requires a tight window throw? Requires you to move off the first read and go to the second or third? Etc.

a truly elite qb can elevate the system just as much as the system elevates the qb. Jimmy is a great example, kyles system elevated him and protected him from himself for the most part. With Brock, he maximizes the systems potential and more because of his processing, accuracy, anticipation, pre/post snap reads.

it needs to be a give and take, IMO. When a QB relies on the system, I consider that a system qb. When a qb can help the system just as much as the system helps it - that's an elite QB and what we are seeing with Brock. Brock doesn't NEED the system to make a play for him, he can help it make a play.

I think Purdy allows the system to operate at full capacity. A rocket arm isn't required, so long as you have the anticipation and timing to get the ball out. I think our previous QB's didn't quite have it at the level that Brock has.

But yeah... There is a problem with defining things. "Elite QBs", in my eyes, are guys that transcend the X's and O's, and they make successful plays regardless of what the defense does. Like, you can have peak-Deion Sanders in perfect coverage, but an elite QB would throw the ball in a perfect spot that Deion couldn't get to. "Perfect throw beats perfect coverage".

It's nice to think about, but I think it's overrated. Josh Allen is a good example. He does a lot of really incredible stuff on the field. But then it ends up turning into Hero Ball and it's eventually detrimental to the offense. A basketball analogy would be Kevin Durant when he was with OKC. Possibly one of the greatest pure scorers ever, but when it came down to it... there were limits on how much he and Russell Westbrook could carry the team that way, Meanwhile, the Warriors were boasting a very harmonious system with Steph Curry at the center of it.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I would think the goal of most QBs is to be a successful system QB not to confuse with game manager.

Good take and after a matter of time those "managers" end up being the ones calling the offense. Brady called his own plays and let his OC know what plays he liked so thats all that was called. Peyton in Denver was basically his own OC, he relied on the OC to coach the rest of the offense but Peyton had the freedom to call any play he liked.

Brock is 3-5 years and a superbowl away from that obviously... but if this works out and him and shanny are still friends haha, Brock will be getting input from Shanny about 3 possible plays and brock decides on what he is comfortable with against the defensive front. Again, probably 5 years away with continued success from that point but it could happen.

Brock actually stated in his at the podium presser yesterday he goes into the huddle with two plays from Kyle. He is hitting on the first it seems but he has the smarts to take in two at a time and make the correct decision and move from one to two accordingly. Maybe they all do this but I found it a surprise and it further makes the point this guy has an enormously high football sense. I would imagine he has to go beyond the two sometimes and taking his third read.

Love the guy..

If Brock was a 1st round pick no one would be questioning him as a QB. It's why Mahomes is an all time talent despide playing on a stacked team with a HOF coach.

If a qb drafted in the 5th-7th round, people immediately think 'weak arm, career backup'. Brock is neither and because of that, got the biggest chip on his shoulder, playing at the highest level.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Shannon Sharpe had too many hits to the head if he can't see that Brock is elite. if it was all Shanahan every loser before Brock would've been top tier too and they weren't

That's strange, he's been heavy on the praise for weeks. Must need clicks. Also, someone on the team mentioned that Purdy's arm is still only about %90 and will get better as he heals up fully.

Who said his arm isn't 100%

Every question Brock had with his arm is answered with - it's fine, and in other words, it's 100%. I doubt he'd be playing so well if the arm is only 90% or if the arm is still subject to injury, no matter how small. He'd still have that mental issue of being afraid to throw, in my opinion, if his arm wasn't 100%.

Just keep playing at a High level and not worry about the unnecessary noise from the media. They just need content, so they will say anything that will spark a conversation and interest.