QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

Inspite of all your reasons, Tua is still a top MVP candidate. His stats rival that of Brock's as they are neck and neck on damn near every category. Brock does beat him in almost all of the important one's but not by much. Yes. Brock has shown more in tougher situations in tougher games but Tua was a winning QB before Mike McDaniel became the HC. He has a career record of 28-14. Obviously if I had a vote for MVP it would be Brock through these first 5 games. I also believe that Brock has a better chance of winning a SB because we have a top defense and Tua does not.

Originally posted by Jcool:
If Brock was a 1st round pick no one would be questioning him as a QB. It's why Mahomes is an all time talent despide playing on a stacked team with a HOF coach.

And insane play design. Remember watching some plays from the chiefs last year where it would be almost impossible to defend Kelce and it was just a 3-5 yard in and out with a TE that big that runs like a little guy.

Even though he's made great throws and always puts guys in position to make plays after the catch (unlike Jimmy G)... He gets relegated to Chad Pennington status. Having watched both, if Pennington could have Brocks slightly above average arm and pocket presence, he would of been a staple QB for the jets.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I would think the goal of most QBs is to be a successful system QB not to confuse with game manager.

Good take and after a matter of time those "managers" end up being the ones calling the offense. Brady called his own plays and let his OC know what plays he liked so thats all that was called. Peyton in Denver was basically his own OC, he relied on the OC to coach the rest of the offense but Peyton had the freedom to call any play he liked.

Brock is 3-5 years and a superbowl away from that obviously... but if this works out and him and shanny are still friends haha, Brock will be getting input from Shanny about 3 possible plays and brock decides on what he is comfortable with against the defensive front. Again, probably 5 years away with continued success from that point but it could happen.

Brock actually stated in his at the podium presser yesterday he goes into the huddle with two plays from Kyle. He is hitting on the first it seems but he has the smarts to take in two at a time and make the correct decision and move from one to two accordingly. Maybe they all do this but I found it a surprise and it further makes the point this guy has an enormously high football sense. I would imagine he has to go beyond the two sometimes and taking his third read.

Love the guy..

That happened on his "Welcome to the NFL" moment against the Bucs.

But he has ice in his veins, so it didn't face him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

Inspite of all your reasons, Tua is still a top MVP candidate. His stats rival that of Brock's as they are neck and neck on damn near every category. Brock does beat him in almost all of the important one's but not by much. Yes. Brock has shown more in tougher situations in tougher games but Tua was a winning QB before Mike McDaniel became the HC. He has a career record of 28-14. Obviously if I had a vote for MVP it would be Brock through these first 5 games. I also believe that Brock has a better chance of winning a SB because we have a top defense and Tua does not.

The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

The way he talks about fans interrupting his family meals is a lot different than Kap. I don't blame Kap for getting irritated when he's out with his family, but Brock does it right.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
If a qb drafted in the 5th-7th round, people immediately think 'weak arm, career backup'. Brock is neither and because of that, got the biggest chip on his shoulder, playing at the highest level.

Agree 💯%, and I just don't agree with a lot of media observations that Purdy's arm is *weak.* Those throws to Aiyuk, Deebo, and Kittle have - on occasion - been line drives and not using all if Purdy's arm strength. Personally, 90% of the throws he's making is more timing and touch, and has probably used only between 70% to 80% of the velocity of what his arm can generate. In other words, I think he can easily throw it as far as Steve and Joe can throw it. Steve - if I recall the QB games back in the '90's - he heaved it about 60+ air yards. Purdy threw to Kittle in last years Washington game, about 40+ yards without much effort from what I could see.

What Purdy has in spades is his anticipation, timing, touch and *accuracy.* All of which, in my book, are as (or more) important than pure arm strength.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

Inspite of all your reasons, Tua is still a top MVP candidate. His stats rival that of Brock's as they are neck and neck on damn near every category. Brock does beat him in almost all of the important one's but not by much. Yes. Brock has shown more in tougher situations in tougher games but Tua was a winning QB before Mike McDaniel became the HC. He has a career record of 28-14. Obviously if I had a vote for MVP it would be Brock through these first 5 games. I also believe that Brock has a better chance of winning a SB because we have a top defense and Tua does not.

The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

Well obviously that is the ultimate goal.

If you didn't see his presser yesterday. Always a good insight. Really does sound Kyle gives him some freedom and lets him play. Feeding him two plays is cool.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I think it depends on how you define certain things. To me, a system qb is where a qb is playing at a higher level than they're typically capable of because the system is providing opportunities.

a system IS supposed to do that, absolutely, but then the question is - what happens when the play isn't open? Or breaks down? Or requires a tight window throw? Requires you to move off the first read and go to the second or third? Etc.

a truly elite qb can elevate the system just as much as the system elevates the qb. Jimmy is a great example, kyles system elevated him and protected him from himself for the most part. With Brock, he maximizes the systems potential and more because of his processing, accuracy, anticipation, pre/post snap reads.

it needs to be a give and take, IMO. When a QB relies on the system, I consider that a system qb. When a qb can help the system just as much as the system helps it - that's an elite QB and what we are seeing with Brock. Brock doesn't NEED the system to make a play for him, he can help it make a play.

I think Purdy allows the system to operate at full capacity. A rocket arm isn't required, so long as you have the anticipation and timing to get the ball out. I think our previous QB's didn't quite have it at the level that Brock has.

But yeah... There is a problem with defining things. "Elite QBs", in my eyes, are guys that transcend the X's and O's, and they make successful plays regardless of what the defense does. Like, you can have peak-Deion Sanders in perfect coverage, but an elite QB would throw the ball in a perfect spot that Deion couldn't get to. "Perfect throw beats perfect coverage".

It's nice to think about, but I think it's overrated. Josh Allen is a good example. He does a lot of really incredible stuff on the field. But then it ends up turning into Hero Ball and it's eventually detrimental to the offense. A basketball analogy would be Kevin Durant when he was with OKC. Possibly one of the greatest pure scorers ever, but when it came down to it... there were limits on how much he and Russell Westbrook could carry the team that way, Meanwhile, the Warriors were boasting a very harmonious system with Steph Curry at the center of it.

I agree. Something else that Brock does that none of our precious QBs on the last 20 or so years have done is trust the skill players.

brock is throwing with insane anticipation - he's throwing before the receiver even break off the route, that's nearly impossible to stop. Couple that with his pinpoint accuracy, only way to stop that is for the DB to guess where the guy is going before he goes there.

He's also throwing back shoulder and jump balls, giving the guys a chance to make the play.

those are plays we haven't seen our QBs make or do in a long time. To me, that's transcending the system. That's executing the system perfectly and adding to it to make it better. Which to me, is what an elite qb does.

only way to stop what he's doing is disrupting him on the pass rush, which he's done a great job dealing wirh, but is my biggest concern. Our O line has been pretty average in pass pro per the advanced stats.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
If you didn't see his presser yesterday. Always a good insight. Really does sound Kyle gives him some freedom and lets him play. Feeding him two plays is cool.

I've never seen kyle so calm and confident about his qb. Lol it really is beautiful. You can just see it in his face and body language how much better he feels about his offense with Brock At the helm.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:


The way he talks about fans interrupting his family meals is a lot different than Kap. I don't blame Kap for getting irritated when he's out with his family, but Brock does it right.

It would be interesting to see if his brother Chubba makes it into the NFL, and how he does if he does go to an NFL team.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:


The way he talks about fans interrupting his family meals is a lot different than Kap. I don't blame Kap for getting irritated when he's out with his family, but Brock does it right.

It would be interesting to see if his brother Chubba makes it into the NFL, and how he does if he does go to an NFL team.

I doubt it. his brother seems like more of a natural athlete but not as good as a qb. I think Brock is obsessed with being a QB and his brother just does it cause he's good at it. That's my my impression but I could be wrong. Chubba hasn't even really started at any program.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I think it depends on how you define certain things. To me, a system qb is where a qb is playing at a higher level than they're typically capable of because the system is providing opportunities.

a system IS supposed to do that, absolutely, but then the question is - what happens when the play isn't open? Or breaks down? Or requires a tight window throw? Requires you to move off the first read and go to the second or third? Etc.

a truly elite qb can elevate the system just as much as the system elevates the qb. Jimmy is a great example, kyles system elevated him and protected him from himself for the most part. With Brock, he maximizes the systems potential and more because of his processing, accuracy, anticipation, pre/post snap reads.

it needs to be a give and take, IMO. When a QB relies on the system, I consider that a system qb. When a qb can help the system just as much as the system helps it - that's an elite QB and what we are seeing with Brock. Brock doesn't NEED the system to make a play for him, he can help it make a play.

I think Purdy allows the system to operate at full capacity. A rocket arm isn't required, so long as you have the anticipation and timing to get the ball out. I think our previous QB's didn't quite have it at the level that Brock has.

But yeah... There is a problem with defining things. "Elite QBs", in my eyes, are guys that transcend the X's and O's, and they make successful plays regardless of what the defense does. Like, you can have peak-Deion Sanders in perfect coverage, but an elite QB would throw the ball in a perfect spot that Deion couldn't get to. "Perfect throw beats perfect coverage".

It's nice to think about, but I think it's overrated. Josh Allen is a good example. He does a lot of really incredible stuff on the field. But then it ends up turning into Hero Ball and it's eventually detrimental to the offense. A basketball analogy would be Kevin Durant when he was with OKC. Possibly one of the greatest pure scorers ever, but when it came down to it... there were limits on how much he and Russell Westbrook could carry the team that way, Meanwhile, the Warriors were boasting a very harmonious system with Steph Curry at the center of it.

I agree. Something else that Brock does that none of our precious QBs on the last 20 or so years have done is trust the skill players.

brock is throwing with insane anticipation - he's throwing before the receiver even break off the route, that's nearly impossible to stop. Couple that with his pinpoint accuracy, only way to stop that is for the DB to guess where the guy is going before he goes there.

He's also throwing back shoulder and jump balls, giving the guys a chance to make the play.

those are plays we haven't seen our QBs make or do in a long time. To me, that's transcending the system. That's executing the system perfectly and adding to it to make it better. Which to me, is what an elite qb does.

only way to stop what he's doing is disrupting him on the pass rush, which he's done a great job dealing wirh, but is my biggest concern. Our O line has been pretty average in pass pro per the advanced stats.

Agree 💯%, that Brock is impossible to stop unless the defense pins their ears back and disrupts the timing between QB and Receiver. That's why CMC is so valuable as a counter punch to those defensive calls. CMC on a draw or screen (for example) is easily a first down in most cases - and the defense is back to square one and first down and 10 to go. As long as CMC is healthy (and/or Purdy has a good RB like Elijah or Mason) to give the offense a credible run threat. His timing, touch, and anticipation is enough to operate Kyle's play action passing system. Those LB's have to pay attention to the fake handoffs, or they will be on 2nd and short if they don't.

Key to all this is of course the offensive line making it look like a run, when it's really a play action pass. I think Foerster and Kyle are underrated as acting coaches, since the 49er OLine is so good at faking the runs to get the LB's to bite on those play fakes.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

Inspite of all your reasons, Tua is still a top MVP candidate. His stats rival that of Brock's as they are neck and neck on damn near every category. Brock does beat him in almost all of the important one's but not by much. Yes. Brock has shown more in tougher situations in tougher games but Tua was a winning QB before Mike McDaniel became the HC. He has a career record of 28-14. Obviously if I had a vote for MVP it would be Brock through these first 5 games. I also believe that Brock has a better chance of winning a SB because we have a top defense and Tua does not.

The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

Tua wins season MVP, Dolphins and Niners play in SB58, Brock totally outplays him as Niners crush Phins Vegas…


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