QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Ruixx:
I don't understand why it's only Brock Purdy that having weapons and a good coach is somehow a dig and takes away from his accomplishments. All the anti-Purdy media just skates over that. Because you know, Tua and Mahomes do it all themselves completely with no receivers, tight ends, offensive lines, and coaches.

Everyone on Tua's team runs a 4.2. He has the Olympic track team out there. That doesn't help him somehow? Yes it does obviously. Mahomes has outstanding talent for all his career and a great coach. Very fast guys at WR, RB and an all time TE. It's not like he has nothing around him. Give me a break. All good QB's have good stuff around them. That's sports. Welcome to life.

Shannon Sharpe mentioning Tua is hilarious. He's in the same exact system with (arguably) better receivers.

Tua's played some good ball overall. Why do we have to downgrade one guy to hoist another? That's always been so corny to me.

I feel the same way. I honestly believe that MVP will ultimately come down to him and Brock and may the better QB win.

Tua has played some good ball but if anyone is being carried - it's tua. I think he's shown that when the team needs him most, he caves. Brock has had many opportunities to show it but when he has, he's showed out.

raiders game, Dallas playoff game he came through, first half ending drive against the rams was incredible. Stuff like that shows that the QB can be relied upon.

dolphins are soft to me. They crumble when the defense is too physical. That's the biggest difference between their WR/TE and ours, IMO. Ours love to be physical and violent - theirs are more finesse and used to just beating everyone with speed.

Inspite of all your reasons, Tua is still a top MVP candidate. His stats rival that of Brock's as they are neck and neck on damn near every category. Brock does beat him in almost all of the important one's but not by much. Yes. Brock has shown more in tougher situations in tougher games but Tua was a winning QB before Mike McDaniel became the HC. He has a career record of 28-14. Obviously if I had a vote for MVP it would be Brock through these first 5 games. I also believe that Brock has a better chance of winning a SB because we have a top defense and Tua does not.

The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

Tua wins season MVP, Dolphins and Niners play in SB58, Brock totally outplays him as Niners crush Phins Vegas…


…Finkle misses a FG.
🤔

🤣 That's so great.

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the media 'analysts' that aren't impressed with what Brock is doing are watching the throw itself and not what it takes to make that throw. Meaning, they see a 15 yard throw over the middle and think, "anyone can make that throw, it's not hard". What they don't recognize is the mental work that has to take place to pull the trigger on that throw. They are looking at his throws in a vacuum.

They seem more impressed when a QB misses the window to throw on rhythm, which then forces the QB to escape the rush, throw on the run from an unorthodox arm slot, and think, "wow that was so elite!". Meanwhile, had Brock executed that same playcall, the throw is out on time once he completes his dropback. It looks easy because Brock makes it look easy, not because it is easy. You'd think that after recently watching JFields/ZWilson struggle to read defenses that they would understand that Brock does not struggle to read defenses.

This is spot on

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the media 'analysts' that aren't impressed with what Brock is doing are watching the throw itself and not what it takes to make that throw. Meaning, they see a 15 yard throw over the middle and think, "anyone can make that throw, it's not hard". What they don't recognize is the mental work that has to take place to pull the trigger on that throw. They are looking at his throws in a vacuum.

They seem more impressed when a QB misses the window to throw on rhythm, which then forces the QB to escape the rush, throw on the run from an unorthodox arm slot, and think, "wow that was so elite!". Meanwhile, had Brock executed that same playcall, the throw is out on time once he completes his dropback. It looks easy because Brock makes it look easy, not because it is easy. You'd think that after recently watching JFields/ZWilson struggle to read defenses that they would understand that Brock does not struggle to read defenses.

This is spot on

Agree 💯%, and I'll just add Jonny Dell does a fantastic job illustrating the point THL makes.

Now one trick the defense can do to stop Purdy is the zone blitz, which can screw up a QB read, but one thing the Zone blitz is unable to really contain is a strong run game. Teams with a strong run game force the defenses to play straight up man/zone coverage and base run defense, otherwise they risk a run play blowing the defense up. That helps Purdy diagnose and read defenses easier because the coverages aren't complicated when playing base defense. That's why CMC, I think, is able to unlock Kyle's offense. One stat that folks don't always cite, is the fact that since CMC's been with the team, 49ers have only lost against Philly in the playoffs.

The SB MVP would be the ticket for me

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They actually had a good take on the radio last night on system QB. Why is it a bad thing? Aren't all QBs supposed to be system and follow the offensive coordinators plan? Brock is doing a hell of a job executing to the plan presented. Kyle must be peeing his pants to have this guy.

They also stated do not confuse system with game manager. Game manager is more the evil with a less competent QB who tries to execute with a good to very good not great success rate but at the same time isn't necessarily turning the ball over.

Tom Brady was a system QB and maybe one of the best ever. He was a pro implementing the plan presented to him.

I think it depends on how you define certain things. To me, a system qb is where a qb is playing at a higher level than they're typically capable of because the system is providing opportunities.

a system IS supposed to do that, absolutely, but then the question is - what happens when the play isn't open? Or breaks down? Or requires a tight window throw? Requires you to move off the first read and go to the second or third? Etc.

a truly elite qb can elevate the system just as much as the system elevates the qb. Jimmy is a great example, kyles system elevated him and protected him from himself for the most part. With Brock, he maximizes the systems potential and more because of his processing, accuracy, anticipation, pre/post snap reads.

it needs to be a give and take, IMO. When a QB relies on the system, I consider that a system qb. When a qb can help the system just as much as the system helps it - that's an elite QB and what we are seeing with Brock. Brock doesn't NEED the system to make a play for him, he can help it make a play.

I think Purdy allows the system to operate at full capacity. A rocket arm isn't required, so long as you have the anticipation and timing to get the ball out. I think our previous QB's didn't quite have it at the level that Brock has.

But yeah... There is a problem with defining things. "Elite QBs", in my eyes, are guys that transcend the X's and O's, and they make successful plays regardless of what the defense does. Like, you can have peak-Deion Sanders in perfect coverage, but an elite QB would throw the ball in a perfect spot that Deion couldn't get to. "Perfect throw beats perfect coverage".

It's nice to think about, but I think it's overrated. Josh Allen is a good example. He does a lot of really incredible stuff on the field. But then it ends up turning into Hero Ball and it's eventually detrimental to the offense. A basketball analogy would be Kevin Durant when he was with OKC. Possibly one of the greatest pure scorers ever, but when it came down to it... there were limits on how much he and Russell Westbrook could carry the team that way, Meanwhile, the Warriors were boasting a very harmonious system with Steph Curry at the center of it.

I agree. Something else that Brock does that none of our precious QBs on the last 20 or so years have done is trust the skill players.

brock is throwing with insane anticipation - he's throwing before the receiver even break off the route, that's nearly impossible to stop. Couple that with his pinpoint accuracy, only way to stop that is for the DB to guess where the guy is going before he goes there.

He's also throwing back shoulder and jump balls, giving the guys a chance to make the play.

those are plays we haven't seen our QBs make or do in a long time. To me, that's transcending the system. That's executing the system perfectly and adding to it to make it better. Which to me, is what an elite qb does.

only way to stop what he's doing is disrupting him on the pass rush, which he's done a great job dealing wirh, but is my biggest concern. Our O line has been pretty average in pass pro per the advanced stats.

Agree 💯%, that Brock is impossible to stop unless the defense pins their ears back and disrupts the timing between QB and Receiver. That's why CMC is so valuable as a counter punch to those defensive calls. CMC on a draw or screen (for example) is easily a first down in most cases - and the defense is back to square one and first down and 10 to go. As long as CMC is healthy (and/or Purdy has a good RB like Elijah or Mason) to give the offense a credible run threat. His timing, touch, and anticipation is enough to operate Kyle's play action passing system. Those LB's have to pay attention to the fake handoffs, or they will be on 2nd and short if they don't.

Key to all this is of course the offensive line making it look like a run, when it's really a play action pass. I think Foerster and Kyle are underrated as acting coaches, since the 49er OLine is so good at faking the runs to get the LB's to bite on those play fakes.

Yeah, I would think a defense who can play strong press coverage and rush the passer with 4 would be difficult to deal with. But at this point in Purdy's tenure, no team has been able to beat us like that.

There's also a huge danger in trying to play heavy man defense. If one of the YAC Bros DOES get the ball against man coverage, all it takes is one broken tackle and he's going to go rip the defense a new one. There's a reason why teams play so much zone, because they are trying to tackle everything in front of them. Gonna be fascinating to see what defenses do to try to counter this offense. I don't think there's any easy answers.

Originally posted by golfish:
The SB MVP would be the ticket for me

Search Chuck Howley

Last nite, KC vs DEN, we saw a clinic put on by Kelce and how he makes Mahomes so successful. Whether on a route or not, what he does is hang around or move to an open area if #15 gets in trouble. If anyone didn't recognize it, you have seen it often enough, because that is exactly what CMC does for Brock. Isolate on him any play he isn't the ball carrier, and you see him hanging around , looking, waiting, for an opening which bales Brock out.

Kelce is a master of it and so is CMC. And Brock knows that if he's in trouble , all he has to do is find any open space in the field and CMC will be there. Huge credit to CMC, but same goes for Brock who KNOWS his man will get him out of trouble. When #85 isn't blocking, he also will find an open slot , but on a play by play basis, CMC is Brock's get-out-of-jail card.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Last nite, KC vs DEN, we saw a clinic put on by Kelce and how he makes Mahomes so successful. Whether on a route or not, what he does is hang around or move to an open area if #15 gets in trouble. If anyone didn't recognize it, you have seen it often enough, because that is exactly what CMC does for Brock. Isolate on him any play he isn't the ball carrier, and you see him hanging around , looking, waiting, for an opening which bales Brock out.

Kelce is a master of it and so is CMC. And Brock knows that if he's in trouble , all he has to do is find any open space in the field and CMC will be there. Huge credit to CMC, but same goes for Brock who KNOWS his man will get him out of trouble. When #85 isn't blocking, he also will find an open slot , but on a play by play basis, CMC is Brock's get-out-of-jail card.

Yessir, it's called being QB friendly somehow Puka already mastered the art, would like to see Deebo work on this

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

Co-signed. If he wins league MVP his next contract will be that much more expensive.

Remember before the Cowboys game, people we're saying the vaunted Cowboys defense gonna be the measure we judge Brock Purdy? Well after 4 TDs, 144.4 qb rating, me think the goal post been moved on Brock. It's now the Cowboys defense might be overrated and Brock Purdy just managed to get the ball to his many offensive weapons without turning the ball over.

It's the same understated argument against Montana when he was dealing all through the 80's. Well, he has Walsh's offense and all these weapons. All he's doing is throwing them the ball.

What we saw with Montana, we thought he has this calm cool qb under all types of game pressure, just getting it done. We marveled at that. But what's really happening is, he has the ability to consistently find the answer on every play, and make good decisions most of the time. So that, even under tremendous pressure, all he's doing is finding the answer on each play, string them together, and suddenly he's giving you a game winning drive. He doesn't make it into anything more than that. Brock mentioned this about his play also. He's just trying to find the open guy, and throw it to the open guy.

So if people wonder and want to see if Brock has the comeback DNA. Sound like he does.

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Tua wins season MVP, Dolphins and Niners play in SB58, Brock totally outplays him as Niners crush Phins Vegas…


…Finkle misses a FG.
🤔

I would love a Phins 49ers SB in Vegas!! And Vegas sends another FL team home as the losers..just like VGK did with the Panthers. LFG

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Last nite, KC vs DEN, we saw a clinic put on by Kelce and how he makes Mahomes so successful. Whether on a route or not, what he does is hang around or move to an open area if #15 gets in trouble. If anyone didn't recognize it, you have seen it often enough, because that is exactly what CMC does for Brock. Isolate on him any play he isn't the ball carrier, and you see him hanging around , looking, waiting, for an opening which bales Brock out.

Kelce is a master of it and so is CMC. And Brock knows that if he's in trouble , all he has to do is find any open space in the field and CMC will be there. Huge credit to CMC, but same goes for Brock who KNOWS his man will get him out of trouble. When #85 isn't blocking, he also will find an open slot , but on a play by play basis, CMC is Brock's get-out-of-jail card.

They are both top notch in their respective rolls.....if anything....we saw what 'elite' truly means when it comes to the QB position (AFAIC). Mahomes has a lot of nothing players around him skillwise after Kelce, and he still carries them. Offensively, the Chiefs are a far cry from what SF can put on the field - and it's a testament to Mahomes' greatness really.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Remember before the Cowboys game, people we're saying the vaunted Cowboys defense gonna be the measure we judge Brock Purdy? Well after 4 TDs, 144.4 qb rating, me think the goal post been moved on Brock. It's now the Cowboys defense might be overrated and Brock Purdy just managed to get the ball to his many offensive weapons without turning the ball over.

It's the same understated argument against Montana when he was dealing all through the 80's. Well, he has Walsh's offense and all these weapons. All he's doing is throwing them the ball.

What we saw with Montana, we thought he has this calm cool qb under all types of game pressure, just getting it done. We marveled at that. But what's really happening is, he has the ability to consistently find the answer on every play, and make good decisions most of the time. So that, even under tremendous pressure, all he's doing is finding the answer on each play, string them together, and suddenly he's giving you a game winning drive. He doesn't make it into anything more than that. Brock mentioned this about his play also. He's just trying to find the open guy, and throw it to the open guy.

So if people wonder and want to see if Brock has the comeback DNA. Sound like he does.

Yep..Comeback Kid part 2

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The only MVP I want him to win is Super Bowl MVP.

Co-signed. If he wins league MVP his next contract will be that much more expensive.

He still hasn't start a full season. At this point, any additional data point suggesting he is great is important and relevant. If he plays so well that he wins the league MVP, that is a relevant data point. I know Super Bowl is the only important thing, but if you have a MVP caliber QB, it would increase our championship chances not just this season, but the next 10, 15 seasons. I won't be worried about his next contract.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Remember before the Cowboys game, people we're saying the vaunted Cowboys defense gonna be the measure we judge Brock Purdy? Well after 4 TDs, 144.4 qb rating, me think the goal post been moved on Brock. It's now the Cowboys defense might be overrated and Brock Purdy just managed to get the ball to his many offensive weapons without turning the ball over.

It's the same understated argument against Montana when he was dealing all through the 80's. Well, he has Walsh's offense and all these weapons. All he's doing is throwing them the ball.

What we saw with Montana, we thought he has this calm cool qb under all types of game pressure, just getting it done. We marveled at that. But what's really happening is, he has the ability to consistently find the answer on every play, and make good decisions most of the time. So that, even under tremendous pressure, all he's doing is finding the answer on each play, string them together, and suddenly he's giving you a game winning drive. He doesn't make it into anything more than that. Brock mentioned this about his play also. He's just trying to find the open guy, and throw it to the open guy.

So if people wonder and want to see if Brock has the comeback DNA. Sound like he does.

Brock doesn't need comeback DNA because he has blowout DNA.