QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
If we can play that bad against a great defense, in terrible conditions and still have a chance to win I think it's pretty good actually. Much less bad than people are thinking.

We were playing against an XFL QB though

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I want a hc who never loses

Whatever. 3rd rounder Moody was not a great decision. Time clock management blunder for Moody made it worse. We still had a timeout. Of course we are going to lose games, this one we should have won. I guess it's a faux pas to criticize Kyle much..and it starts to feel like low-key Shanny Stockholm Syndrome lol.

Shanahan certainly deserves a piece of that blame pie and I am a bigtime Kyle fan.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
If we can play that bad against a great defense, in terrible conditions and still have a chance to win I think it's pretty good actually. Much less bad than people are thinking.

We were playing against an XFL QB though

Yeah and look at that XFL QB's stats. He didn't do anything great. We just shot ourselves on the foot along with what has to be the most horrendous reffing ever.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
If we can play that bad against a great defense, in terrible conditions and still have a chance to win I think it's pretty good actually. Much less bad than people are thinking.

We were playing against an XFL QB though

Yeah and look at that XFL QB's stats. He didn't do anything great. We just shot ourselves on the foot along with what has to be the most horrendous reffing ever.

Yeah, PJ Walker played like s**t and was worse than Purdy. Let's not pretend he added anything positive to the Browns yesterday.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think its a bad coaching matchup. Kyle's had a long losing record against Jim Shorts. Just like Kyle owns the Rams.

Kyle would do well to spend some time this week studying what Schwartz does against him. You can bet the Vikings will be studying it. If Kyle doesn't learn from his mistakes, he will keep suffering defeats. Marcus Thompson said Kyle has lost 9 in a row to Schwarz. Time to turn the page.

There is a short list of defenses that have the personnel to play press man coverage against us and are still able to stop the run game.

That's true, however, Schwartz has made it work in multiple stops. That would indicate scheme is having a big part of it.

if it was more scheme than the players, the league would have been using that scheme against us that last 6 years

"This was probably a predictable day for the struggle to arrive considering the 49ers were facing a Browns defense run by Jim Schwartz. Kyle Shanahan's offenses always struggle against Schwartz. Since becoming an offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans in 2008, Shanahan has put his offense against a defense featuring Schwartz 10 times. (Note: In 2021 against the Tennessee Titans, Schwartz was the senior defensive assistant. In every other meeting, he was the defensive coordinator or head coach.) Shanahan's team has lost nine consecutive matchups against Schwartz, the last three as head coach and play caller of the 49ers. Schwartz's defenses have held Shanahan's offenses to 20 points or fewer every time and to an average of 14.8 points in the 10 meetings." Marcus Thompson, The Athletic

Time for some self-scouting.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I want a hc who never loses

Whatever. 3rd rounder Moody was not a great decision. Time clock management blunder for Moody made it worse. We still had a timeout. Of course we are going to lose games, this one we should have won. I guess it's a faux pas to criticize Kyle much..and it starts to feel like low-key Shanny Stockholm Syndrome lol.

I agree with this.

On a positive note. We played like crap and still was In a position to win It at the end.

Let's hope we never see a performance like that again from the offense this season

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I want a hc who never loses

Whatever. 3rd rounder Moody was not a great decision. Time clock management blunder for Moody made it worse. We still had a timeout. Of course we are going to lose games, this one we should have won. I guess it's a faux pas to criticize Kyle much..and it starts to feel like low-key Shanny Stockholm Syndrome lol.

Let me ask you this:

Assuming the Niners weren't going to go undefeated 17-0 or 20-0, when the Niners did inevitably lose, would there be any conceivable way Kyle wouldn't get blamed for it on some level?

Sometimes you just get beat. And against Dallas, just about everything went our way. I doubt we are truly 32 points better than the Cowboys on average, so Kyle either overachieved there or we got lucky, or he underachieved against Cleveland or we weren't so lucky.........or maybe a mixture of both.

I just knew that last kick wasn't gonna be made, it would've been wrong if it did. It felt like this game was lost early to mid 3rd quarter.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think its a bad coaching matchup. Kyle's had a long losing record against Jim Shorts. Just like Kyle owns the Rams.

Kyle would do well to spend some time this week studying what Schwartz does against him. You can bet the Vikings will be studying it. If Kyle doesn't learn from his mistakes, he will keep suffering defeats. Marcus Thompson said Kyle has lost 9 in a row to Schwarz. Time to turn the page.

There is a short list of defenses that have the personnel to play press man coverage against us and are still able to stop the run game.

That's true, however, Schwartz has made it work in multiple stops. That would indicate scheme is having a big part of it.

if it was more scheme than the players, the league would have been using that scheme against us that last 6 years

"This was probably a predictable day for the struggle to arrive considering the 49ers were facing a Browns defense run by Jim Schwartz. Kyle Shanahan's offenses always struggle against Schwartz. Since becoming an offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans in 2008, Shanahan has put his offense against a defense featuring Schwartz 10 times. (Note: In 2021 against the Tennessee Titans, Schwartz was the senior defensive assistant. In every other meeting, he was the defensive coordinator or head coach.) Shanahan's team has lost nine consecutive matchups against Schwartz, the last three as head coach and play caller of the 49ers. Schwartz's defenses have held Shanahan's offenses to 20 points or fewer every time and to an average of 14.8 points in the 10 meetings." Marcus Thompson, The Athletic

Time for some self-scouting.

Didn't Bill Walsh say something along the lines of scheme can't beat man coverage, talent beats man coverage? You have to have the talent on defense to be able to man up and still be able to stop the run. Not saying Shwartz's scheme hasn't been a factor. But has Schwartz ever had mediocre talent on defense when he has faced Kyle?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Didn't Bill Walsh say something along the lines of scheme can't beat man coverage, talent beats man coverage? You have to have the talent on defense to be able to man up and still be able to stop the run. Not saying Shwartz's scheme hasn't been a factor. But has Schwartz ever had mediocre talent on defense when he has faced Kyle?

I would also argue there were plays to made throughout the game that weren't made due to poor execution by the players. To me, yesterday wasn't a scheme loss… it was a mistake riddled game by our offense. Poor execution, lots of penalties.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Kyle, the OL, nor the receivers did him any favours, but there's no excuse to be missing open targets like that. No doubt he'll learn from this and Improve from experience.

It was a bad game all around for everyone. This is why you stay humble and don't go into another teams stadium and try to start a fight. This is why I didn't care for Kittles t shirt stunt as well. Go win a f**king SB and then you can act like your hot s**t. This needed this wakeup call. Hopefully it's back to business going forward.

I agree with this 100% and was thinking the same thing.

12 games wasn't good enough to prove that he was good, but 1 bad game against the # 1 rated defense on the road where he still put the team in a position to win proves he's bad

lmao sports media truly makes me laugh, you have to be brain dead to think it has any substance

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think its a bad coaching matchup. Kyle's had a long losing record against Jim Shorts. Just like Kyle owns the Rams.

Kyle would do well to spend some time this week studying what Schwartz does against him. You can bet the Vikings will be studying it. If Kyle doesn't learn from his mistakes, he will keep suffering defeats. Marcus Thompson said Kyle has lost 9 in a row to Schwarz. Time to turn the page.

Even though going 3 & out multiple times, Didn't Kyle have Purdy dropping back and throwing it constantly?
Maybe it just looked like it.
I was hoping Mason would have been used a lot more.

It's simply a myth that you lose 2 very effective players in a windy raining game and you suddenly play better. Mahomes loses Kelce and Pachecho and is in a windy, rainy game on the road against the #1 defense. I have no idea how the game plays out. But I honestly doubt it's his best game. The argument is a myth. It's simply not true. That media narrative is false.

Purdy may have had a rough game but I like how he was able to pick it up and play better when he absolutely had to on that last drive. Given everything that went wrong for him and the team yesterday, he still was able to come through at the end and get the team in position to win with a very makable FG.

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Gonna have to disagree. First of all, the quick slant is not the defining route of this scheme. The deep in is—which, incidentally, was the same defining route of the GSOT. Second, Brock chooses the intermediate pass over the open short pass almost every single time. He is not a dink and dunker.

I'd say Purdy can fit any system, and given that our offense has as much in common with the Coryell route depths as WCO concepts (if anything, Kyle's offense is a hybrid of all offenses used in professional football), because of our constant deep ins, deep outs and deep overs, I would absolutely not characterize Brock as a "West Coast" guy. And as Kyle has pointed out, "it's not the f-ing West Coast Offense," and I'd say the most WCO thing about his scheme is that lots of the verbiage remains. But I'm sorry, Kyle's offense has never been the WCO. It's a hybrid. He took some bits from Gruden's version of the WCO, added some Martz stuff, took the zone-run, PA, and spread formations out of 21 personnel that his dad used, and combined into a genius system that only lacks one thing from time to time: useful hot routes in the drop back game. But that's not all the time, and it's clear the overall product is superior to anything in the NFL right now. Including the Cowboys offense, which is a lot closer to the true WCO than ours is

This is the evolution of the WCO though right, a balanced O spreading the ball around the skill positions, I've only watched since the 90s but it wasn't all dink n dunk then either. Purdy will never have the strongest arm but that doesn't matter.

It wasn't dink and dunk, no. It was balanced formations, not bunch formations and the stuff we run. It was slants, swings, deep posts and streaks, not deep ins and deep overs all the time. Principles of the WCO are in it because they work. But so are principles of Martz' system, Coryell's, and Gibbs'.