QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm gonna take this moment to point out that Joe Burrow went 14-31 for 82 yards against the defense, and they didn't have to deal with the same horrid weather.

Wow. I just looked that up. Didn't know they were that good on defense.

Originally posted by Jcool:
So you consider a light rain on the same level as a leg injury? Interesting.

It's not either in practice or concern going forward.

But the bottom line point is still correct. Struggling against a good defense isn't unusual, and QB's aren't machines.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm gonna take this moment to point out that Joe Burrow went 14-31 for 82 yards against the defense, and they didn't have to deal with the same horrid weather.

Wow. I just looked that up. Didn't know they were that good on defense.

Good find 5_G_R, that makes me feel a lot better about Purdy and the offense!!!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So you consider a light rain on the same level as a leg injury? Interesting.

It's not either in practice or concern going forward.

But the bottom line point is still correct. Struggling against a good defense isn't unusual, and QB's aren't machines.

Yup look at Ben Roethlisbergers numbers in the first Super Bowl he played in. His numbers were horrible but they still won.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm gonna take this moment to point out that Joe Burrow went 14-31 for 82 yards against the defense, and they didn't have to deal with the same horrid weather.

He was also injured and effectively immobile.

Great defense regardless.

And Brock was limited by horrid weather, so I consider that a wash. Point is, neither one will be defined by their games against the Browns this season.

So you consider a light rain on the same level as a leg injury? Interesting.

Yeah. You don't throw with your legs. If you can't grip the ball you're going to be inaccurate.

I believe the 49ers needs to start practicing in the rain. It seems they couldn't perform properly when there is rain. The whole NFL now knows that the only way to beat the 49ers is to have rain. I'm pretty sure other teams are praying to have rain when they face the 49ers

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah. You don't throw with your legs. If you can't grip the ball you're going to be inaccurate.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah. You don't throw with your legs. If you can't grip the ball you're going to be inaccurate.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think its a bad coaching matchup. Kyle's had a long losing record against Jim Shorts. Just like Kyle owns the Rams.

Kyle would do well to spend some time this week studying what Schwartz does against him. You can bet the Vikings will be studying it. If Kyle doesn't learn from his mistakes, he will keep suffering defeats. Marcus Thompson said Kyle has lost 9 in a row to Schwarz. Time to turn the page.

There is a short list of defenses that have the personnel to play press man coverage against us and are still able to stop the run game.

That's true, however, Schwartz has made it work in multiple stops. That would indicate scheme is having a big part of it.

if it was more scheme than the players, the league would have been using that scheme against us that last 6 years

"This was probably a predictable day for the struggle to arrive considering the 49ers were facing a Browns defense run by Jim Schwartz. Kyle Shanahan's offenses always struggle against Schwartz. Since becoming an offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans in 2008, Shanahan has put his offense against a defense featuring Schwartz 10 times. (Note: In 2021 against the Tennessee Titans, Schwartz was the senior defensive assistant. In every other meeting, he was the defensive coordinator or head coach.) Shanahan's team has lost nine consecutive matchups against Schwartz, the last three as head coach and play caller of the 49ers. Schwartz's defenses have held Shanahan's offenses to 20 points or fewer every time and to an average of 14.8 points in the 10 meetings." Marcus Thompson, The Athletic

Time for some self-scouting.

Didn't Bill Walsh say something along the lines of scheme can't beat man coverage, talent beats man coverage? You have to have the talent on defense to be able to man up and still be able to stop the run. Not saying Shwartz's scheme hasn't been a factor. But has Schwartz ever had mediocre talent on defense when he has faced Kyle?

When you have Jerry Rice, the coverage doesn't matter.

To the point, Schwartz has had a bit of both, but more on the talent side than scheme. However, it is worth discussion that Schwartz has had a scheme that has held Kyle's side in check. Having guys like Tomlinson dominating the middle with Garret and Smith outside is going to help a lot.

Perhaps some of our film experts have some insight into what he is doing.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
To me that is going for the win, and is SOP for coaches once they are comfortably in range… which they certainly were with a 41 yarder.

Going forward, based on this game, maybe you consider the risk of running another play or two. But looking backwards, it was completely understandable.

It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

Originally posted by dj43:
It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

To me, if you aren't confident in your kicker in that situation to the point you run additional plays, including all the factors against it in that game, then the solution to me would be looking for another kicker.

I think that's what will happen too if we end up in this situation again in the near* future.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

To me, if you aren't confident in your kicker in that situation to the point you run additional plays, including all the factors against it in that game, then the solution to me would be looking for another kicker.

I think that's what will happen too if we end up in this situation again in the near* future.

I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

I find that hard to believe, but either way he'd rightfully be getting crushed if that happened.

It's a lose lose situation with fans when it doesn't work out. That's why finding examples from similar situations would be more meaningful, to me at least.

And for me, the conditions in that game were far from the point of being concerned about a 41 yard kick. The most concerning thing was that he missed a 50 plus yarder earlier, which is obviously a serious increase in difficulty regardless of the weather. It was a bit wet and windy.

I'll move on regardless. Just count me on the side of hedging the kicker if this is exampled again.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

I find that hard to believe, but either way he'd rightfully be getting crushed if that happened.

It's a lose lose situation with fans when it doesn't work out. That's why finding examples from similar situations would be more meaningful, to me at least.

And for me, the conditions in that game were far from the point of being concerned about a 41 yard kick. The most concerning thing was that he missed a 50 plus yarder earlier, which is obviously a serious increase in difficulty regardless of the weather. It was a bit wet and windy.

I'll move on regardless. Just count me on the side of hedging the kicker if this is exampled again.

I trust in this order BP > Mason > Moody
so you put the ball in BPs hands,
we still have that FG in our back pocket, unless you think we are going backwards, which is possible, but even on a bad day, vast majority of plays are no gain or positive

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

To me, if you aren't confident in your kicker in that situation to the point you run additional plays, including all the factors against it in that game, then the solution to me would be looking for another kicker.

I think that's what will happen too if we end up in this situation again in the near* future.

I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

I don't have any problem with Kyle's decision to run the clock. Plenty of things that didn't go well yesterday, but that decision was not one IMO.