QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

I find that hard to believe, but either way he'd rightfully be getting crushed if that happened.

It's a lose lose situation with fans when it doesn't work out. That's why finding examples from similar situations would be more meaningful, to me at least.

And for me, the conditions in that game were far from the point of being concerned about a 41 yard kick. The most concerning thing was that he missed a 50 plus yarder earlier, which is obviously a serious increase in difficulty regardless of the weather. It was a bit wet and windy.

I'll move on regardless. Just count me on the side of hedging the kicker if this is exampled again.

Well I'm talking about me, not the fanbase as a whole, because just like QB play, the result is only a portion of how I judge coaching.

I gave Jimmy props for his game vs Atlanta, even though the results were poor.

I think Kyle could have coached better at the end of the game, a fumble by the RB would not have been a coaching issue. That's where I stand.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I trust in this order BP > Mason > Moody
so you put the ball in BPs hands,
we still have that FG in our back pocket, unless you think we are going backwards, which is possible, but even on a bad day, vast majority of plays are no gain or positive

I respect your opinions for sure, but I can't stress enough how off base I think this opinion is. That's whether it's Purdy in a bad game* or peak Brady back there. There is no chance we pass there. No chance any team passes there, lol. Run another play or two in the run game… ok. That's at least conceivable. Just make a standard kick even moreso.

If we can't trust our kicker to make a 41 yarder, we need a new kicker. We should not be taking reckless risks around mistrust of the kicker. We should also not be committed to him simply because of draft pick investment. That's exactly why you shouldn't use that kind of pick on a kicker.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well I'm talking about me, not the fanbase as a whole, because just like QB play, the result is only a portion of how I judge coaching.

I gave Jimmy props for his game vs Atlanta, even though the results were poor.

I think Kyle could have coached better at the end of the game, a fumble by the RB would not have been a coaching issue. That's where I stand.

I knew what you meant I'm just saying it's complaints and hindsight either way.

You obviously can't blame a coach for a fumble, but play selection is the coach's wheelhouse. That's what would be judged in that scenario IMO.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

To me, if you aren't confident in your kicker in that situation to the point you run additional plays, including all the factors against it in that game, then the solution to me would be looking for another kicker.

I think that's what will happen too if we end up in this situation again in the near* future.

I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

What exacerbates the issue yesterday is not about Moody per se. Rather, it is about reducing the odds against failure. The fact the winds were up and down all day should direct the decision to move closer so the winds would have the least impact.

I recognize I am probably talking out of both sides of my mouth since I already said it would all be moot if Moody had made the kick. Still, the same strategy should apply. You can't coach fearing failure. Would it be any worse if your most trusted RB fumbles or the kicker misses the kick?

To me, the greater fear is the wind.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I trust in this order BP > Mason > Moody
so you put the ball in BPs hands,
we still have that FG in our back pocket, unless you think we are going backwards, which is possible, but even on a bad day, vast majority of plays are no gain or positive

I respect your opinions for sure, but I can't stress enough how off base I think this opinion is. That's whether it's Purdy in a bad game* or peak Brady back there. There is no chance we pass there. No chance any team passes there, lol. Run another play or two in the run game… ok. That's at least conceivable. Just make a standard kick even moreso.

If we can't trust our kicker to make a 41 yarder, we need a new kicker. We should not be taking reckless risks around mistrust of the kicker. We should also not be committed to him simply because of draft pick investment. That's exactly why you shouldn't use that kind of pick on a kicker.

I think you are right in terms of what most squads do there. I would be interested the analytics. Any analytics on this type of situation, in terms of which move generates the most win probability?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is fair to criticize the decision to run the clock rather than run another play, however, that would never have been an issue if Moody had made the kick. Had he made it, Shanahan would have been considered wise not to let the Browns DL have a chance at forcing a fumble.

To me, if you aren't confident in your kicker in that situation to the point you run additional plays, including all the factors against it in that game, then the solution to me would be looking for another kicker.

I think that's what will happen too if we end up in this situation again in the near* future.

I just think the field conditions change that line of thinking. Whether you're confident in your kicker or not, they had plenty of time to run another play, and the winds were swirling. You have to know that.

I'd feel much better if we accidentally fumbled running the ball than running down the clock with so much time. Because at that point it's just football, not coaching…now Kyle coaching was a problem yesterday.

What exacerbates the issue yesterday is not about Moody per se. Rather, it is about reducing the odds against failure. The fact the winds were up and down all day should direct the decision to move closer so the winds would have the least impact.

I recognize I am probably talking out of both sides of my mouth since I already said it would all be moot if Moody had made the kick. Still, the same strategy should apply. You can't coach fearing failure. Would it be any worse if your most trusted RB fumbles or the kicker misses the kick?

To me, the greater fear is the wind.

Both things can be true for the average fan, it would have been moot for most fans if he made it and the better call would be to run another play, and I feel like we can dive deeper into these things since this (the webzone) is the place for that.

Yes, fans would criticize Kyle for a fumble or missed kick, but there's a better option IMO and its to run another play.

I posted a similar situation in the KS thread since we're going a little off topic.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think you are right in terms of what most squads do there. I would be interested the analytics. Any analytics on this type of situation, in terms of which move generates the most win probability?

I think you'll find that there is a minimal percentage increase in a kick from 40 yards vs 35 yards out. Like 5 percent or less.

Now obviously there's a chance to break a bigger gain and get closer, and data like the suggested above is likely going to not include any weather conditions, good or bad.

I have no problem with how Brock played just a bad game for him which he did amend by getting the team into position for a game winner. Can't ask for more than that.

Originally posted by dj43:
What exacerbates the issue yesterday is not about Moody per se. Rather, it is about reducing the odds against failure. The fact the winds were up and down all day should direct the decision to move closer so the winds would have the least impact.

I recognize I am probably talking out of both sides of my mouth since I already said it would all be moot if Moody had made the kick. Still, the same strategy should apply. You can't coach fearing failure. Would it be any worse if your most trusted RB fumbles or the kicker misses the kick?

To me, the greater fear is the wind.

He pushed the kick though. It wasn't wind related.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He pushed the kick though. It wasn't wind related.

There's a tweet floating around that analyzes the kick and said it was pushed 2-3 yards to the right or so by the wind.

It's not a very good excuse either way from that distance in those conditions. It was not a 'hard' kick.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah. You don't throw with your legs. If you can't grip the ball you're going to be inaccurate.

I'm aware using your legs helps your throw. I'm the guy who criticized Jimmy for not using them on deep passes and the resultant inaccuracy. But Burrow, Jimmy, Brock, any NFL QB ought to be able to complete passes in that 15 yard window using just the torque from their upper body. I promise you wind and rain hurt Brock more than Burrow's legs hurt him. Brock couldn't even grip the ball at times. You saw on the aborted WR screen pass.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He pushed the kick though. It wasn't wind related.

There's a tweet floating around that analyzes the kick and said it was pushed 2-3 yards to the right or so by the wind.

It's not a very good excuse either way from that distance in those conditions. It was not a 'hard' kick.

Sometimes the wind comes down on you directly from above.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah. You don't throw with your legs. If you can't grip the ball you're going to be inaccurate.

Smh. Again, I'm aware of the importance of your legs to throwing. But that is more important for deeper passes. In that 0 to 15 yard window, if you can't throw the ball with just the torque from your upper body, what are you doing in the NFL? Brock couldn't even grip the ball at times due to the rain, as seen on the failed WR screen where the ball just squirted into the air. He was hurt by the rain more than Burrow was hurt by his legs.

And frankly, since you're here, elite arm strength would have helped him here. Because in weather like this, with a super strong arm, you can kind of push the ball like a shot put. A super strong arm allows you to grip the ball differently in weather like this and still be able to get the ball to the target.

Fortunately for Brock, and for guys like Peyton Manning, and everyone who doesn't have a 65 mph fast ball, most NFL games are not played in horrid weather.

Kyle just overthought on the time out with the fg..if he didn't, might have a win. Frustrating but what can ya do. Time clock blunders

If Robbie is available we need him now. Can you imagine losing a playoff game or SB because of 41 yrd kick.