QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He has 85 turnovers in his first 5.5 seasons and a 4-4 playoff record with zero championships and zero SB rings. I am guessing you all have multiple tiers of eliteness? Elite litterally means best of the best.

Also, you can minus Cousins all you want but his career numbers are comparable to Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Jackson.

read this about what he did in the postseason, let me know if it's elite
or another question, let me know if Allen is the reason they failed to advance

from Wikipedia:

In the Wild Card Game against the Patriots, the Bills scored a touchdown on every offensive possession they had the ball aside from the final kneeldowns as they won 47–17, attaining the first "perfect offensive game" in NFL history. Allen completed 21 of 25 passes for 308 yards and five touchdowns in addition to rushing for 66 yards, passing for more touchdowns than incompletions during the game.[131][132] In the Divisional Round, Buffalo rematched against the Kansas City Chiefs, whom they previously lost to in last year's AFC Championship Game. During the final two minutes of the tightly contested game, Allen threw two go-ahead touchdowns to Gabe Davis as the Bills and Chiefs exchanged leads three times before Kansas City tied the game at 36 apiece and forced overtime. The Chiefs won 42–36 in the extra period after winning the coin toss and scoring on the opening drive as Allen and the Bills offense never touched the ball. Despite the loss, Allen kept pace with Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, completing 27 of 37 passes for 329 yards and four touchdowns, all to Davis.[133] He also rushed for 68 yards.[132] His postseason passer rating of 149.0 is the highest ever in a single postseason, breaking the previous record of 146.4 held by Joe Montana in 1989.[134]

Oh wow, 2 games. Yes. 2021 was his best overall playoff performance.

2019 playoffs he completed 52% of his passes and threw 0 TD's. 2020 CC he completed 58.3% of his passes and threw 2 TD's and 1 INT. 2022 playoffs he completed 59.3% of his passes and threw 3 TD's and 3 INT's. He also has 8 fumbles in 8 playoff games.

Sure, he is capable of having top tier performances. I never said he wasn't capable of it. He is also capable of having some very low level performances. His team is currently sitting at .500, his OC was just fired and he is one of the biggest factors in that.

Brock more franchise type qb. The standard for elite should be higher

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh wow, 2 games. Yes. 2021 was his best overall playoff performance.

2019 playoffs he completed 52% of his passes and threw 0 TD's. 2020 CC he completed 58.3% of his passes and threw 2 TD's and 1 INT. 2022 playoffs he completed 59.3% of his passes and threw 3 TD's and 3 INT's. He also has 8 fumbles in 8 playoff games.

Sure, he is capable of having top tier performances. I never said he wasn't capable of it. He is also capable of having some very low level performances. His team is currently sitting at .500, his OC was just fired and he is one of the biggest factors in that.

...talk about getting thrown under the bus...

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

He's excellent and the best we have had in a very long time. Elite topic can come after he's played a few seasons.
Why not enjoy the ride? I have no problem stating watching a Jimmy G O bored the crap out of me. I watch Brock and I know good things are going to happen. The offense is fun to watch again.

I am glad he takes chances. If it causes an INT on occasion so be it. I can't worry about that tiny handful of INTs the last few weeks. See Josh A to see how it's done.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You all are enamored by a turnover machine who just got his offensive coordinator fired.

Lol this. Absurd.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Well I put Allen up there with Herbert, Burrow, Jackson and Cousins. None of those QB's are quite elite imo. Elite are those QB's that I previously mentioned in the post you quoted. All the QB's I mentioned in this post are a tier below them.

So you have one elite QB in the game today, You're defining elite differently than what's common in NFL discourse. That's fine, but it just becomes a semantical argument. I'd have the same group at the top of the NFL definitely minus Cousins.

That said, Allen can be one of the best QB's of all time and arguably has played like that for the better part of half a decade.

I just don't get this love for Allen. Doesn't he lead the league in TO's since coming in? Way too much Brett Favre in that guy, but I always felt he was overrated also.

Yes he does. And yes Favre was overrated too.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh wow, 2 games. Yes. 2021 was his best overall playoff performance.

2019 playoffs he completed 52% of his passes and threw 0 TD's. 2020 CC he completed 58.3% of his passes and threw 2 TD's and 1 INT. 2022 playoffs he completed 59.3% of his passes and threw 3 TD's and 3 INT's. He also has 8 fumbles in 8 playoff games.

Sure, he is capable of having top tier performances. I never said he wasn't capable of it. He is also capable of having some very low level performances. His team is currently sitting at .500, his OC was just fired and he is one of the biggest factors in that.

...talk about getting thrown under the bus...

Yup. His OC was thrown under the bus.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Well I put Allen up there with Herbert, Burrow, Jackson and Cousins. None of those QB's are quite elite imo. Elite are those QB's that I previously mentioned in the post you quoted. All the QB's I mentioned in this post are a tier below them.

So you have one elite QB in the game today, You're defining elite differently than what's common in NFL discourse. That's fine, but it just becomes a semantical argument. I'd have the same group at the top of the NFL definitely minus Cousins.

That said, Allen can be one of the best QB's of all time and arguably has played like that for the better part of half a decade.

I just don't get this love for Allen. Doesn't he lead the league in TO's since coming in? Way too much Brett Favre in that guy, but I always felt he was overrated also.

Yes he does. And yes Favre was overrated too.

Favre was very, very good. Always on an under powered team. But still made them very competitive. You can't attract the best talent there. He had a rocket arm.

I actually think this conversation should shed some light on the fact that QB play in the NFL is really low currently. I like to put QBs in tiers and try to avoid labels like elite and what not. But to me, tier 1 only has Patrick Mahomes in it. He is so far and away better than any other QB, that putting someone else in his tier is almost an insult to him.

I normally agree that you can throw a group of players in the elite category, and that they dont need to be as good as one another to be considered elite. I just think in today's NFL, there really isnt anyone other than Mahomes that I would consider elite currently. Not Burrow, not Hurts, not Allen, etc.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Well I put Allen up there with Herbert, Burrow, Jackson and Cousins. None of those QB's are quite elite imo. Elite are those QB's that I previously mentioned in the post you quoted. All the QB's I mentioned in this post are a tier below them.

So you have one elite QB in the game today, You're defining elite differently than what's common in NFL discourse. That's fine, but it just becomes a semantical argument. I'd have the same group at the top of the NFL definitely minus Cousins.

That said, Allen can be one of the best QB's of all time and arguably has played like that for the better part of half a decade.

I just don't get this love for Allen. Doesn't he lead the league in TO's since coming in? Way too much Brett Favre in that guy, but I always felt he was overrated also.

Yes he does. And yes Favre was overrated too.

I think Favre is slightly overrated too, but he was still a 3x MVP. He is a Hall of Famer, and rightfully so. He just isnt at the top of the top of QBs in NFL history, where some people rank him.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I actually think this conversation should shed some light on the fact that QB play in the NFL is really low currently. I like to put QBs in tiers and try to avoid labels like elite and what not. But to me, tier 1 only has Patrick Mahomes in it. He is so far and away better than any other QB, that putting someone else in his tier is almost an insult to him.

I normally agree that you can throw a group of players in the elite category, and that they dont need to be as good as one another to be considered elite. I just think in today's NFL, there really isnt anyone other than Mahomes that I would consider elite currently. Not Burrow, not Hurts, not Allen, etc.

My thoughts exactly.

Brock Purdy.

2329 yards / 9 games = 258.78 yards a game.
15 TD's / 9 games = 1.67.
5 INT's / 9 games = 0.56.
Rating = 109.9.
Rushing = 107 yards / 9 games = 11.89.
Rushing TD's = 2 / 9 games = 0.22

17 game projection. Numbers rounded to the nearest whole number. .49 and below the lower number. .50 and higher the higher number.

4,399 yards.
28 TD's.
10 INT's.
109.9 Rating.
202 yards rushing.
4 rushing TD's.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I actually think this conversation should shed some light on the fact that QB play in the NFL is really low currently. I like to put QBs in tiers and try to avoid labels like elite and what not. But to me, tier 1 only has Patrick Mahomes in it. He is so far and away better than any other QB, that putting someone else in his tier is almost an insult to him.

I normally agree that you can throw a group of players in the elite category, and that they dont need to be as good as one another to be considered elite. I just think in today's NFL, there really isnt anyone other than Mahomes that I would consider elite currently. Not Burrow, not Hurts, not Allen, etc.

I'd agree with this assessment. Mahomes and then a big drop off to the group of Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Tua, Jackson. Purdy is now in that group for me; with more time and consistency (and a Super Bowl win) could elevate to elite. Allen is in the tier below that with Prescott, Cousins, Goff, Lawrence. Not sure where I'd put Stroud, but he's forcing himself into this conversation already.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I actually think this conversation should shed some light on the fact that QB play in the NFL is really low currently. I like to put QBs in tiers and try to avoid labels like elite and what not. But to me, tier 1 only has Patrick Mahomes in it. He is so far and away better than any other QB, that putting someone else in his tier is almost an insult to him.

I normally agree that you can throw a group of players in the elite category, and that they dont need to be as good as one another to be considered elite. I just think in today's NFL, there really isnt anyone other than Mahomes that I would consider elite currently. Not Burrow, not Hurts, not Allen, etc.

My thoughts exactly.

To expand, in the late 2000s, the QBs who were described as elite were Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Just because those 4+ QBs were called the "elite" QBs, doesnt mean that one has to believe that every single one of those QBs were just as good as the next. Nor does it mean that different levels of elite need to be established. Those were the 4 elite guys, period. How one ranks the 4 is irrelevant.