QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

Many if not most who end up being elite QB were not elite after starting just 17 games.

So if Brock isn't elite right now, that doesn't mean he won't be elite in the future.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

Many if not most who end up being elite QB were not elite after starting just 17 games.

So if Brock isn't elite right now, that doesn't mean he won't be elite in the future.

Yes. Its way too early to call him elite.

Everybody has probably seen it but Lombardi's chart of all 32 QBs and their ratings, is really a strange thing to see. We all know Brock is one whale of a QB, but to see him up at the top right corner of that QBR chart …that was impressive. After 3 difficult outings, Brock still is right at or near the top as best QBR QB in the league…Lamar may be a titch to the R of him but still, it was impressive.

the 5 INTs he tossed in previous 3 losses…a word on that. One of the TFLs on Brock had him tackled and then his head bounced off the carpet like a basketball. Then that nite on flite home he got concussion-like symptoms. I don't know if that stayed with him or not, but the fact the sx showed up after he got head bounced…makes one wonder if his last 3 games weren't in some part due to a post concussive situation. Maybe, maybe not, but no question 3 of those INTs were just not "Brock passes". They looked like passes of a guy who had had his bell rung.

Couple yrs ago, we all saw a similar situation from Jimmy G when after getting his head slammed to the turf, he threw a perfect pass to the Raider DB in the EZ and hit him right between the numbers. That's what several of Brock's INTs looked like. Sunday we saw no more of that from Brock, and we'll never know for sure if that was the cause. But it is something to consider.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Everybody has probably seen it but Lombardi's chart of all 32 QBs and their ratings, is really a strange thing to see. We all know Brock is one whale of a QB, but to see him up at the top right corner of that QBR chart …that was impressive. After 3 difficult outings, Brock still is right at or near the top as best QBR QB in the league…Lamar may be a titch to the R of him but still, it was impressive.

the 5 INTs he tossed in previous 3 losses…a word on that. One of the TFLs on Brock had him tackled and then his head bounced off the carpet like a basketball. Then that nite on flite home he got concussion-like symptoms. I don't know if that stayed with him or not, but the fact the sx showed up after he got head bounced…makes one wonder if his last 3 games weren't in some part due to a post concussive situation. Maybe, maybe not, but no question 3 of those INTs were just not "Brock passes". They looked like passes of a guy who had had his bell rung.

Couple yrs ago, we all saw a similar situation from Jimmy G when after getting his head slammed to the turf, he threw a perfect pass to the Raider DB in the EZ and hit him right between the numbers. That's what several of Brock's INTs looked like. Sunday we saw no more of that from Brock, and we'll never know for sure if that was the cause. But it is something to consider.

On the knock, my understanding is he didn't feel symptoms until the plane. He even did his media after the MIN game. Every knock can be different. JG took a knock this year as an example, and played the game, but he didn't do his media, cuz injured players don't do media. It's a matter of when do symptoms kick in. I don't feel he exhibited symptoms, until he reported them, on the plane. Just my take, from the avail evidence. He cleared the protocol in time for Cincy. You mention the 3 game streak, the CLE game was prior to Minny. If there's a true post concussive situation as you mention, he had no business taking the field, until it was resolved. That would be reckless from KS, the team, the NFL, the docs, you name it. Kind of the Tua situation, I am hopeful the league learned a bit and adjusted. Health is priority over, having your QB in the game.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

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elite or not elite, that is the question.

Many if not most who end up being elite QB were not elite after starting just 17 games.

So if Brock isn't elite right now, that doesn't mean he won't be elite in the future.

Yes. Its way too early to call him elite.

what if he wins the superbowl and becomes the SBMVP....elite?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
MVP

If he can collect three game winning drives to finish the season then I think he's in the discussion. If we blow everyone out and win by big numbers then he's out.

if he fails on those game winning drives, he's out.

MVP is kinda silly, a kicker won, but no WR has ever won. Rice had 23 TDs in a 12 game strike year, and didn't win. They gave it to a QB Elway with 17 TD passes. So it's a bit of a joke imo. In today's game, MVP boils down to QB of the Year award. They should split it out and have a legit QB of the year award, and a separate non QB, NFL MVP. I think CMC would be the non QB MVP.

They do, it's just under different names. There's MVP and then offensive/defensive player of the year. The OPOY and DPOY are your non-QB awards, but the reality is it's almost impossible for a player from any other position to match the impact the top QB of the year has on their team.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Matt Ryan? Or are you only talking about KS with the 49ers.

You win this round, I stand corrected

Volume plays a role, so perhaps we can compromise, as while it's possible, it is not tremendously likely
Matt Ryan was a heck of a QB, going back to BC, Julio was something else also
you are correct tho, they didn't throw a lot, and Ryan won the MVP
heck maybe BP can do it

for a comp Ryan had near 5k yds.
3rd in yds, 2nd in TD, and 26th in pass attempts, that's pretty insane
BP would have to do something similar, near 5k pass yds, on minimal pass attempts, good luck

Ryan averaged 33 pass attempts per game. Brock is averaging 26. Ryan averaged 9.3 YPA which is damn near identical to Brock. But Ryan threw 38 TD passes that year and Brock is not on that pace so far this season. Brock would need to average almost 3 TD passes per game the rest of this season to reach that many.

I'm fine with Brock not being MVP. Good luck extending an MVP award winning QB to a contract that allows other parts of the team to remain intact.

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
MVP

If he can collect three game winning drives to finish the season then I think he's in the discussion. If we blow everyone out and win by big numbers then he's out.

if he fails on those game winning drives, he's out.

MVP is kinda silly, a kicker won, but no WR has ever won. Rice had 23 TDs in a 12 game strike year, and didn't win. They gave it to a QB Elway with 17 TD passes. So it's a bit of a joke imo. In today's game, MVP boils down to QB of the Year award. They should split it out and have a legit QB of the year award, and a separate non QB, NFL MVP. I think CMC would be the non QB MVP.

They do, it's just under different names. There's MVP and then offensive/defensive player of the year. The OPOY and DPOY are your non-QB awards, but the reality is it's almost impossible for a player from any other position to match the impact the top QB of the year has on their team.

Not as big a joke as the Heisman. That's almost a kiss of death.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. Its way too early to call him elite.

Doesn't he effectively have zero chance of being elite by your criteria? We don't need to wait.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Brock Purdy.

2329 yards / 9 games = 258.78 yards a game.
15 TD's / 9 games = 1.67.
5 INT's / 9 games = 0.56.
Rating = 109.9.
Rushing = 107 yards / 9 games = 11.89.
Rushing TD's = 2 / 9 games = 0.22

17 game projection. Numbers rounded to the nearest whole number. .49 and below the lower number. .50 and higher the higher number.

4,399 yards.
28 TD's.
10 INT's.
109.9 Rating.
202 yards rushing.
4 rushing TD's.

That's a pro bowl and fringe MVP level, which is what he's playing like. Opinions of him nationally are still slow, but the season is long. More and more performances like Sunday will convince people.

PB yes, MVP, that's not gonna be easy. Those look like Kirk C annual numbers,
I actually like CMC more as a MVP candidate, he's unlocked what we do, run and pass, set or tied a very long NFL record

A RB would have to run for 2,500 yards and score 20+ TD's to win MVP. Even then, unlikely.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
PB yes, MVP, that's not gonna be easy. Those look like Kirk C annual numbers,
I actually like CMC more as a MVP candidate, he's unlocked what we do, run and pass, set or tied a very long NFL record

Brock is more of a gambler than meets the eye, specifically people that don't watch the 49ers consistently. I think he's playing like an MVP in a lot of ways but isn't there yet. Def a top 10 QB IMO, at worst.

he had some ugly plays in that three game stretch but it happens to everyone, specifically in their first season of games. The whole team didn't play well during that stretch (which isn't a bailout excuse for Purdy, he needs to not play like that again).

i personally think he had some sort of hand injury or something, the way he was so off in the Cleveland game was extremely strange and uncharacteristic - I think he's been recovering from an injury. Having the bye helped him heal up and we saw how that looks. Just want him to stay healthy and this damn O line get healthy/gel. Burford has been a huge disappointment.

Some of this is Kyle, just the way we built it, we pass around 515 times per year. Now Brady with Tampa to give an example, over 700 per year. So the MVP, if awarded on counting stats, it's almost impossible, the way we operate, for a KS QB to get it. Heck 4000 yds, which is fairly common in today's game, would be a milestone under KS. We are uber efficient, on a per play basis. But we run a lot, and we are not really uptempo. We just don't get a lot of pass plays, relative to other clubs, or enough to win MVP. Same for our pass catchers, just not the same volume of opportunities here. KS isn't worried about the stats, just winning football games.

Would certainly help his QB's if Kyle ran the reverse plays and quick RB screen plays as forward passes instead of runs. Probably 400-500 yards and 6-8 TD's per year in there. There are already 3 TD's that I can think of (including one last game to Deebo).

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

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Many if not most who end up being elite QB were not elite after starting just 17 games.

So if Brock isn't elite right now, that doesn't mean he won't be elite in the future.

Yes. Its way too early to call him elite.

what if he wins the superbowl and becomes the SBMVP....elite?

Can he do it all again?

Seriously though, he must sustain a high level of play for a stretch of atleast 3 full seasons. But even then he has to continue to sustain it throughout his career or else the label starts to wear off.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Really enjoying all this talk about Purdy in here...

elite or not elite, that is the question.

Many if not most who end up being elite QB were not elite after starting just 17 games.

So if Brock isn't elite right now, that doesn't mean he won't be elite in the future.

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Yes. Its way too early to call him elite.

what if he wins the superbowl and becomes the SBMVP....elite?

Can he do it all again?

Seriously though, he must sustain a high level of play for a stretch of atleast 3 full seasons. But even then he has to continue to sustain it throughout his career or else the label starts to wear off.

Agreed. But we can also agree that he's playing at an elite level, which he is. Just needs to sustain it and be consistent for multiple seasons.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock's rankings through week 10.

QBR- 1st
PR- 1st
YPA- 1st
TD%- 4th
INT%- 13th
BTT%- 6th

So much for that regression towards the mean b******t 😂🤣

If BP did not get that injury against PHL, we win against them.. Niners were the better team. If BP won against Homer in the SB or made the SB appearance?..may have already solidified as elite. BP had some experience with KC before, that may have put him at ease some..plus our top D against injured Homer..meh, what might have been lol. Homer just has had some of the best fking luck man.