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Quarterback efficiency vs heavy & light boxes this season. Only looking at dropbacks (inlcuding scrambles and excluding designed runs) for QBs here pic.twitter.com/fTc6BUXEQc
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Here's how often QBs are facing heavy boxes, basically what the dot size in the previous tweet is showinghttps://t.co/qSWzw34m3g pic.twitter.com/cCV3TYLrqW
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Quarterback efficiency vs heavy & light boxes this season. Only looking at dropbacks (inlcuding scrambles and excluding designed runs) for QBs here pic.twitter.com/fTc6BUXEQc
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Here's how often QBs are facing heavy boxes, basically what the dot size in the previous tweet is showinghttps://t.co/qSWzw34m3g pic.twitter.com/cCV3TYLrqW
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Quarterback efficiency vs heavy & light boxes this season. Only looking at dropbacks (inlcuding scrambles and excluding designed runs) for QBs here pic.twitter.com/fTc6BUXEQc
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Here's how often QBs are facing heavy boxes, basically what the dot size in the previous tweet is showinghttps://t.co/qSWzw34m3g pic.twitter.com/cCV3TYLrqW
— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) November 16, 2023
Originally posted by Montana:
Ice in the veins
Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Snf8WPqqjZo?si=bZUsWekHI-UPYUT4
brocks is a small sample size but so is burrows. Still impressive that he's right there with be best completion percentage of all time for a "career"
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Snf8WPqqjZo?si=bZUsWekHI-UPYUT4
brocks is a small sample size but so is burrows. Still impressive that he's right there with be best completion percentage of all time for a "career"
Unfortunately nobody wants to wait 2 or 3 years before they start proclaiming that this guy or that guy is an all time great. Performances can go up or down based on injuries and the overall makeup of the team. Even schedules. After 3 seasons or so most QBs will have faced nearly every team in the league. There will be enough info to really get a true evaluation.
Three seasons ago it looked like Josh Allen had turned the corner and was about to be an elite QB. Her was completing almost 70% of his passes and his INT % was 1.7. Since then his INT % has gone up every season to 3.1 % this season. His completion % dropped to 63% in 2021 and 2002. Now it's at 70% again. So who is he?
I like what I see with Brock but he still has less than one full season in the books. A lot can change in the next couple of years. I can wait before I start calling him our franchise QB.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I feel like fans outside the 49ers can't seem to fathom how a QB without great size and a rocket arm can be this successful. So their immediate conclusion is -- he can't, it has to be everyone else around him. Purdy also still moved the ball without Deebo and Trent, we just were in bad spots playing from behind and unfortunately he forced a few things as a 2nd year guy.
None of it makes any sense though. Not the size size, the arm stuff, or the weapons stuff.
Every QB needs at least one weapon. We saw how Mahomes was without Kelce. Hurts has Jason Kelce, Lane Johnson, and weapons all over the field on offense. Dak has weapons everywhere. Tua has weapons everywhere. So does Lamar and Burrow. I mean shoot, the Bengals probably have best WR trio in the NFL. I don't think there's a single QB in the top 15 that are out there playing with scrubs across the board at WR/TE/RB.
However, Brock is playing with average OL outside of Trent. Dude is special. On another note, I do think Stroud looks like a real special talent too, over there in Houston.
Originally posted by tankle104:
People are just uninformed, tbh. Anyone that claims you need special gifts at the QB position to be great, just flat out doesn't understand how the QB position works. It also isn't like Brock is 5'9 with a Shaun hill type arm - he is 6'2 with a ridiculously powerful and quick lower body and an above average arm with some really nice zip, great accuracy, and great anticipation.
when we see guys like Brady, Bree's etc - it's their mind, character, work ethic etc that makes them special.
Qb position is essentially the only position in football where having special physical gifts doesn't necessarily translate to being elite. Sure it's nice to have a qb who has great physical gifts, but it's really not the most important thing.
leadership, work ethic, spacial awareness, character etc etc - essentially all things that are hard/impossible to accurately measure right now, aka the way someone thinks and processes… is the most important aspect of playing qb (assuming their physical skills are where they need to be).
there is a minimum as to what a guy needs to have in order to play the position, but once those are met - the upside of the QB is more within his mind, work ethic, progressions, character etc.
we've been over this a million times but it just comes down to the fact that most "fans" don't really understand the game on a granular level and see guys like Mahommes or allen and think that's the only way to do it. Which is just ridiculous. Lol I'll take Bree, Brady, montana etc over 99.9% of QBs in nfl history.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I feel like fans outside the 49ers can't seem to fathom how a QB without great size and a rocket arm can be this successful. So their immediate conclusion is -- he can't, it has to be everyone else around him. Purdy also still moved the ball without Deebo and Trent, we just were in bad spots playing from behind and unfortunately he forced a few things as a 2nd year guy.
None of it makes any sense though. Not the size size, the arm stuff, or the weapons stuff.
Every QB needs at least one weapon. We saw how Mahomes was without Kelce. Hurts has Jason Kelce, Lane Johnson, and weapons all over the field on offense. Dak has weapons everywhere. Tua has weapons everywhere. So does Lamar and Burrow. I mean shoot, the Bengals probably have best WR trio in the NFL. I don't think there's a single QB in the top 15 that are out there playing with scrubs across the board at WR/TE/RB.
However, Brock is playing with average OL outside of Trent. Dude is special. On another note, I do think Stroud looks like a real special talent too, over there in Houston.
People are just uninformed, tbh. Anyone that claims you need special gifts at the QB position to be great, just flat out doesn't understand how the QB position works. It also isn't like Brock is 5'9 with a Shaun hill type arm - he is 6'2 with a ridiculously powerful and quick lower body and an above average arm with some really nice zip, great accuracy, and great anticipation.
when we see guys like Brady, Bree's etc - it's their mind, character, work ethic etc that makes them special.
Qb position is essentially the only position in football where having special physical gifts doesn't necessarily translate to being elite. Sure it's nice to have a qb who has great physical gifts, but it's really not the most important thing.
leadership, work ethic, spacial awareness, character etc etc - essentially all things that are hard/impossible to accurately measure right now, aka the way someone thinks and processes… is the most important aspect of playing qb (assuming their physical skills are where they need to be).
there is a minimum as to what a guy needs to have in order to play the position, but once those are met - the upside of the QB is more within his mind, work ethic, progressions, character etc.
we've been over this a million times but it just comes down to the fact that most "fans" don't really understand the game on a granular level and see guys like Mahommes or allen and think that's the only way to do it. Which is just ridiculous. Lol I'll take Bree, Brady, montana etc over 99.9% of QBs in nfl history.
Originally posted by Chance:
I've been pleasantly surprised with Brock's arm strength. I think, especially after the injury, and the time it takes to ramp the strength back up, that he's made some really high level throws to the sideline and down the field. Of course no one would mistake his arm for a canon, but it's far from a handicap. It sounds like whatever work he did prior to the draft to add more velocity has carried through to his early career.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Chance:
I've been pleasantly surprised with Brock's arm strength. I think, especially after the injury, and the time it takes to ramp the strength back up, that he's made some really high level throws to the sideline and down the field. Of course no one would mistake his arm for a canon, but it's far from a handicap. It sounds like whatever work he did prior to the draft to add more velocity has carried through to his early career.
we call that, al dente