QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Brockdacity

Another addition to the lexicon.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'm curious what percentage of Purdy's yards are YAC as compared to previous Shanahan QBs.

It appears that Purdy is doing more of the heavy lifting in this offense, which makes me feel he's adding to the system, not just a product of the system.

2019- 60.9% or 2,453 YAC out of 4,029 total passing yards.

2020- 53.4% or 2,306 YAC out of 4,320 total passing yards.

2021- 59.0% or 2,617 YAC out of 4,437 total passing yards.

2022- 64.1% or 2,597 YAC out of 4,049 total passing yards.

2023- 45.8% or 1,319 YAC out of 2,878 total passing yards.

YAC bro is like the local statistician. Lmao I love it.

that's actually a really cool data point regarding how much more aggressive Brock is, IMO. I feel like it demonstrates how he throws it further down the field than jimmy/previous QBs.

I know this is only one stat, but it goes to show why I think the system QB narrative fit the previous QBs we've had here, not Brock though.

Thanks Yac BTW.

The wider data sets we've got of other QBs in our system, besides jimmy, really proves that narrative - IMO. I supported jimmy but in hindsight, I was giving him too much credit. I didn't think he was a top 5 qb or anything but I thought he was doing a pretty good job (within reason and understanding he was also limited). Now, I just think Kyle was doing an excellent coaching job that I was under appreciating.

the eye test will tell you that Jimmy was being a system qb and that Brock Is elevating the system - he's taking advantage of what the system provided and maximizing it. It's really cool to watch. It's nice to genuinely feel like I'm watching elite qb play by a qb in a 49ers uniform.

His insane accuracy is elite, for sure. That Aiyuk dot pass was Joe/Steve-esque.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

When you want to completely eviscerate the, "Brock Purdy is a system quarterback" argument, just show them this.

Brock Purdy has both the will to take the throw, and the skill to make the throw.#AchoAnalysis @NinersNation @TheNinersWire @TheSFNiners pic.twitter.com/aoav1AsHJz

— Emmanuel Acho (@EmmanuelAcho) November 27, 2023

tired of the is it Brock or is it the system debate. It's both. System means coaching, playcalling, talent around, we are elite in all those respects. That helps Brock be who he is. obviously he has game, or the results would be whatever Trey Lance was doing

I have never in my life...including the Montana and Young years, seen so many layered throws

Sure Montana dominated with Slants and Young was a better Post thrower.....but Brock has very rare (from my perspective) accuracy and anticipation to throw layered passes.

Besides that.... I have not watched a ballgame in years that did not run some version of a timing offense.

System QB came into vogue in the 80s to explain what Montana was doing with the WCO. All it meant at that time was the QB had a simplified read on the defense. You took one read at a time....mostly off of time, some times off of area. Roll right...you had an A read and a B read. Or the QB had Read 1 and 4 at step 3 and read 2 and 3 at step 5 based on the choice the QB made dropping back (time based). That was in contrast to say Dan Marino that had 4 reads simultaneously.

It use to mean how many balls can the QB keep in the air as he was juggling reads, ie mental power and does he have the arm to be a threat on all those reads. Marino could threaten any part of the field at any time, Joe had his skill players routed back to the middle of the field to counter act his weaker arm.

when "system QB" was coined....WRs did not go over the middle of the field. The 49ers having 2 WRs over 6 foot 200 pounds was a REALLY big deal. It would be the equivalent of the current 49ers having 2 6-5 250 pounds guys today. The 49er WRs were approaching TE size for some teams. The 49ers had lineman that were 6-3 250 pounds compared to Dwight Clark at 6-4 220 pounds. Could you imagine a WR 30-40 pounds lighter than a current lineman? dude would massive.

So yeah, "system" QB had pre snap reads, easy progression, and WRs willing to work with his arm strength by going over the middle.

We all see it every week, there is no team that does not throw in the middle of the field now. There is no team that does not run timing routs with rout trees.

System QB does not mean anything these days.

Joe didn't have a weak arm. Those flood concepts were because they put pressure on the defense and simplified the reads. Did Joe have a howitzer? No, but he threw darts across the field after scrambling in a way very similar to the way elite athlete guys do today.

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Most of us have been using the Joe and Steve comparison to Purdy, not their greatness but the similarities of they're playing style. And sometimes, if it's someone not a 49er, it's Drew Brees. But in my opinion, Purdy resembles more of Brett Favre's. His connection with Aiyuk reminds me of Favre to Freeman.

Those names are all elite QB's that we're all using to compare Brock to. It's definitely a blessing to be a 49er fan this day and age.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
I'm just excited to what he will bring to the game. In years past with our Other QBs, I kind of knew what to expect and it wasn't going to be anything exciting.

Agree, and I want Kyle to prolong Brock's career by getting the best Offensive Linemen he can this next offseason cycle. Man o man if Brock can play till he's 40 years old, I'll be very happy.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Most of us have been using the Joe and Steve comparison to Purdy, not their greatness but the similarities of they're playing style. And sometimes, if it's someone not a 49er, it's Drew Brees. But in my opinion, Purdy resembles more of Brett Favre's. His connection with Aiyuk reminds me of Favre to Freeman.

Those names are all elite QB's that we're all using to compare Brock to. It's definitely a blessing to be a 49er fan this day and age.

It's hard to argue with the production. All that he has left to prove is to do it against all the best QBs and teams. He beats the Eagles, he's one step closer. When he wins that Super Bowl, though, the discussion will change from "system QB or elite" to whether or not he gets a gold jacket at the end.

Acho has great breakdowns and evaluations. He consistently likes and advocates for Purdy. He likes Purdy the best on that show for sure if you ever watch.

For a while I thought Brees was the comp but the more I've seen from Brock I'm not so sure. I never saw Drew move as fluidly and elusively as what we are seeing from Brock. At this point I'm not sure what the comp is, his highlights resemble Joes, but I'm not old enough to have watched Joe live. Steve might be a good comp as I watched him, Favre is another one but I'm not so sure about those either. Maybe Brock is just his own guy at this point.

I will say this: Brock is what I imagined Zach Wilson would look like if he lived up to his potential and draft status.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

When you want to completely eviscerate the, "Brock Purdy is a system quarterback" argument, just show them this.

Brock Purdy has both the will to take the throw, and the skill to make the throw.#AchoAnalysis @NinersNation @TheNinersWire @TheSFNiners pic.twitter.com/aoav1AsHJz

— Emmanuel Acho (@EmmanuelAcho) November 27, 2023

tired of the is it Brock or is it the system debate. It's both. System means coaching, playcalling, talent around, we are elite in all those respects. That helps Brock be who he is. obviously he has game, or the results would be whatever Trey Lance was doing

I have never in my life...including the Montana and Young years, seen so many layered throws

Sure Montana dominated with Slants and Young was a better Post thrower.....but Brock has very rare (from my perspective) accuracy and anticipation to throw layered passes.

Besides that.... I have not watched a ballgame in years that did not run some version of a timing offense.

System QB came into vogue in the 80s to explain what Montana was doing with the WCO. All it meant at that time was the QB had a simplified read on the defense. You took one read at a time....mostly off of time, some times off of area. Roll right...you had an A read and a B read. Or the QB had Read 1 and 4 at step 3 and read 2 and 3 at step 5 based on the choice the QB made dropping back (time based). That was in contrast to say Dan Marino that had 4 reads simultaneously.

It use to mean how many balls can the QB keep in the air as he was juggling reads, ie mental power and does he have the arm to be a threat on all those reads. Marino could threaten any part of the field at any time, Joe had his skill players routed back to the middle of the field to counter act his weaker arm.

when "system QB" was coined....WRs did not go over the middle of the field. The 49ers having 2 WRs over 6 foot 200 pounds was a REALLY big deal. It would be the equivalent of the current 49ers having 2 6-5 250 pounds guys today. The 49er WRs were approaching TE size for some teams. The 49ers had lineman that were 6-3 250 pounds compared to Dwight Clark at 6-4 220 pounds. Could you imagine a WR 30-40 pounds lighter than a current lineman? dude would massive.

So yeah, "system" QB had pre snap reads, easy progression, and WRs willing to work with his arm strength by going over the middle.

We all see it every week, there is no team that does not throw in the middle of the field now. There is no team that does not run timing routs with rout trees.

System QB does not mean anything these days.

Great points! I agree about big WR's. Deebo is almost a small TE at around 220 lbs. Then, of course, you have actual tight ends in Kittle and Juszczyk. To me, the longer Brock plays with Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle etc... the more they can grow their game, some would call it a system. I.e. those Purdy-Deebo-Aiyuk choice routes can become unstoppable if the WR and QB are reading the same defensive coverages and on the same page with the choice or option routes. The only way to mess with the timing and synchronicity of those option read routes is via some type of zone blitz that is designed to mess up a QB's reads. Then if that's the case, you just line up and run the ball against a zone blitzing team.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

When you want to completely eviscerate the, "Brock Purdy is a system quarterback" argument, just show them this.

Brock Purdy has both the will to take the throw, and the skill to make the throw.#AchoAnalysis @NinersNation @TheNinersWire @TheSFNiners pic.twitter.com/aoav1AsHJz

— Emmanuel Acho (@EmmanuelAcho) November 27, 2023

tired of the is it Brock or is it the system debate. It's both. System means coaching, playcalling, talent around, we are elite in all those respects. That helps Brock be who he is. obviously he has game, or the results would be whatever Trey Lance was doing

I have never in my life...including the Montana and Young years, seen so many layered throws

Sure Montana dominated with Slants and Young was a better Post thrower.....but Brock has very rare (from my perspective) accuracy and anticipation to throw layered passes.

Besides that.... I have not watched a ballgame in years that did not run some version of a timing offense.

System QB came into vogue in the 80s to explain what Montana was doing with the WCO. All it meant at that time was the QB had a simplified read on the defense. You took one read at a time....mostly off of time, some times off of area. Roll right...you had an A read and a B read. Or the QB had Read 1 and 4 at step 3 and read 2 and 3 at step 5 based on the choice the QB made dropping back (time based). That was in contrast to say Dan Marino that had 4 reads simultaneously.

It use to mean how many balls can the QB keep in the air as he was juggling reads, ie mental power and does he have the arm to be a threat on all those reads. Marino could threaten any part of the field at any time, Joe had his skill players routed back to the middle of the field to counter act his weaker arm.

when "system QB" was coined....WRs did not go over the middle of the field. The 49ers having 2 WRs over 6 foot 200 pounds was a REALLY big deal. It would be the equivalent of the current 49ers having 2 6-5 250 pounds guys today. The 49er WRs were approaching TE size for some teams. The 49ers had lineman that were 6-3 250 pounds compared to Dwight Clark at 6-4 220 pounds. Could you imagine a WR 30-40 pounds lighter than a current lineman? dude would massive.

So yeah, "system" QB had pre snap reads, easy progression, and WRs willing to work with his arm strength by going over the middle.

We all see it every week, there is no team that does not throw in the middle of the field now. There is no team that does not run timing routs with rout trees.

System QB does not mean anything these days.

Great points! I agree about big WR's. Deebo is almost a small TE at around 220 lbs. Then, of course, you have actual tight ends in Kittle and Juszczyk. To me, the longer Brock plays with Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle etc... the more they can grow their game, some would call it a system. I.e. those Purdy-Deebo-Aiyuk choice routes can become unstoppable if the WR and QB are reading the same defensive coverages and on the same page with the choice or option routes. The only way to mess with the timing and synchronicity of those option read routes is via some type of zone blitz that is designed to mess up a QB's reads. Then if that's the case, you just line up and run the ball against a zone blitzing team.

Reminds me of in the America's Game episode on SB23 and the drive, Rodger Craig and Brent Jones both said "we are all extensions of each other". A great QB is a part of a bigger system of guys all moving in sync with each other towards a championship. The WCO then and now is poetry in motion when you have all the guys you need to execute it.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'm curious what percentage of Purdy's yards are YAC as compared to previous Shanahan QBs.

It appears that Purdy is doing more of the heavy lifting in this offense, which makes me feel he's adding to the system, not just a product of the system.

2019- 60.9% or 2,453 YAC out of 4,029 total passing yards.

2020- 53.4% or 2,306 YAC out of 4,320 total passing yards.

2021- 59.0% or 2,617 YAC out of 4,437 total passing yards.

2022- 64.1% or 2,597 YAC out of 4,049 total passing yards.

2023- 45.8% or 1,319 YAC out of 2,878 total passing yards.

YAC bro is like the local statistician. Lmao I love it.

that's actually a really cool data point regarding how much more aggressive Brock is, IMO. I feel like it demonstrates how he throws it further down the field than jimmy/previous QBs.

I know this is only one stat, but it goes to show why I think the system QB narrative fit the previous QBs we've had here, not Brock though.

Thanks Yac BTW.

The wider data sets we've got of other QBs in our system, besides jimmy, really proves that narrative - IMO. I supported jimmy but in hindsight, I was giving him too much credit. I didn't think he was a top 5 qb or anything but I thought he was doing a pretty good job (within reason and understanding he was also limited). Now, I just think Kyle was doing an excellent coaching job that I was under appreciating.

the eye test will tell you that Jimmy was being a system qb and that Brock Is elevating the system - he's taking advantage of what the system provided and maximizing it. It's really cool to watch. It's nice to genuinely feel like I'm watching elite qb play by a qb in a 49ers uniform.

His insane accuracy is elite, for sure. That Aiyuk dot pass was Joe/Steve-esque.

I think Brock has played at an elite level, for sure. He's had a few hiccups here and there but I'd say at least 90% of his play this season has been in the elite category. His efficiency, with this o line, is special. Lol makes me wonder what he will look like when we somehow build up a top 5 o line.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
For a while I thought Brees was the comp but the more I've seen from Brock I'm not so sure. I never saw Drew move as fluidly and elusively as what we are seeing from Brock. At this point I'm not sure what the comp is, his highlights resemble Joes, but I'm not old enough to have watched Joe live. Steve might be a good comp as I watched him, Favre is another one but I'm not so sure about those either. Maybe Brock is just his own guy at this point.

I will say this: Brock is what I imagined Zach Wilson would look like if he lived up to his potential and draft status.

That's the beauty of it though, Brock is becoming the next "Brock Purdy". He's unique and becoming a top tier player in his own right, the type where people say "he's Brock Purdy Esqe". Which is ideal, he isn't a poor man's anything.

just a young special player, doing special things. I said it during the off season but strap in, cause we are in for a tremendous ride the next 15 years with this guy leading the franchise.