QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That's what an aggressive pass means. It means you throw it down field, where the risk is higher. You're taking more risk. That's literally being aggressive in this context. Aggression means high risk, high reward. That's what throwing further down the field is: being aggressive.

Yall are talking two different things, lol. Is there even an actual disagreement here?

NCCommand has tried to slip in "pass-centric" when the discussion is about aggressiveness. He is doing it because it's convenient to his lingering attraction to Jimmy. And I don't blame him, Jimmy is objectively hot.

I could care less about Jimmy. You're the one still in his thread daily.

The real issue is you thought our whole offense would change under a new QB (whom Kyle trusted) to a more pass centric offense.

Nope. Now you know.

It's the exact same offense, offensive game plan, same target areas, same run/pass ratio, same calculated 2-3 shots per game, etc.

The real difference is Brock himself. Not the weekly game plans. Not the offense.

As to "aggressive?" Again, that's Brock. Not Kyle.

No I literally did not believe the offense would become more pass centric. Remember, I was sure by this time Trey Lance would be our starter (who saw Purdy coming?), and that offense would be RUN CENTRIC with lots of QB power, and a DEEP passing game. An aggressive, deep passing game, which would be set up by a brutal run game consisting of outside and inside zone, end arounds, and a good dose of QB power, inverted veers, and QB draws. If anything, I thought there'd be MORE runs, but with a QB who not only was more aggressive than Jimmy, but who would have even larger windows in the intermediate and downfield range because of the more dynamic run game.

And for the record, if the scheme didn't change, that actually proves MY point, that the QB was PASSING UP DOWN THE FIELD THROWS that were ALWAYS in the offense. Matt Ryan didn't pass them up. Jimmy did. Brock didn't.

EDIT: for the record I consistently pointed this out when Jimmy was the QB, how deep and intermediate routes were ALWAYS there, and Jimmy was turning them down. This was when the Jimmysexuals claimed Kyle WANTED Jimmy to turn down those deeper throws.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

When was he saying that? It was a lot more true when Jimmy was our QB. But since Brock is leading the NFL in completed AIR YARDS per pass attempt, it obviously is NOT true. YAC makes our big plays bigger, but they're already big plays because the QB throws the ball 20 yards downfield more.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That's what an aggressive pass means. It means you throw it down field, where the risk is higher. You're taking more risk. That's literally being aggressive in this context. Aggression means high risk, high reward. That's what throwing further down the field is: being aggressive.

Yall are talking two different things, lol. Is there even an actual disagreement here?

NCCommand has tried to slip in "pass-centric" when the discussion is about aggressiveness. He is doing it because it's convenient to his lingering attraction to Jimmy. And I don't blame him, Jimmy is objectively hot.

I could care less about Jimmy. You're the one still in his thread daily.

The real issue is you thought our whole offense would change under a new QB (whom Kyle trusted) to a more pass centric offense.

Nope. Now you know.

It's the exact same offense, offensive game plan, same target areas, same run/pass ratio, same calculated 2-3 shots per game, etc.

The real difference is Brock himself. Not the weekly game plans. Not the offense.

As to "aggressive?" Again, that's Brock. Not Kyle.

No I literally did not believe the offense would become more pass centric. Remember, I was sure by this time Trey Lance would be our starter (who saw Purdy coming?), and that offense would be RUN CENTRIC with lots of QB power, and a DEEP passing game. An aggressive, deep passing game, which would be set up by a brutal run game consisting of outside and inside zone, end arounds, and a good dose of QB power, inverted veers, and QB draws. If anything, I thought there'd be MORE runs, but with a QB who not only was more aggressive than Jimmy, but who would have even larger windows in the intermediate and downfield range because of the more dynamic run game.

And for the record, if the scheme didn't change, that actually proves MY point, that the QB was PASSING UP DOWN THE FIELD THROWS that were ALWAYS in the offense. Matt Ryan didn't pass them up. Jimmy did. Brock didn't.

EDIT: for the record I consistently pointed this out when Jimmy was the QB, how deep and intermediate routes were ALWAYS there, and Jimmy was turning them down. This was when the Jimmysexuals claimed Kyle WANTED Jimmy to turn down those deeper throws.

All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Kyle is the same aggressive pass play caller he was in Atlanta. He finally has a QB to execute it like he did then.

All it is.

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

I can only imagine how Kyle would call plays if he had a Offensive Line at the talent level of the old legendary Redskin's Hog's OLine.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

Well that's a lie, just look at some of your posts.

As far as YAC goes, we are 10th this year. We're getting those big plays with air yards this time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Kyle is the same aggressive pass play caller he was in Atlanta. He finally has a QB to execute it like he did then.

All it is.

Brock is certainly tier 1.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
LOL



EDIT: sorry apparently this was posted already.

GD, I hate Bobby Wagner.

Why can't he go away and die like the rest of those annoying Hawk defenders?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Showers are expected Sunday, Brock prepare for that please.

WEAR gloves if needed... but MUST HOLD ON TO THE LACESSSSS !!!

Griese must earn his pay check and tell his QB to HOLD ON TO THE LACESSSSS !!!

SF - 15
Phi - 02

Bad Moody Rysin to go Fah Foh Fah especially AFTER the Michigan WINNNN !!!

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
There is no right or wrong IF the result is positive. Just imagine that Purdy threw an INT on that pass to Aiyuk; do you think Kyle would say it was the "correct" read? Hell no. Kyle was very clear if you just listen and don't have a bias - the right read (for our conservative coach) was the checkdown because it was wide open, we had the lead, it would have moved the chains, it was safe.

Kyle is a conservative minded head coach, weird that you and a few others keep trying to make it sound like he wants to air it out down the field like the 90's Oilers.

Not being Mike Martz doesn't make him conservative. He does want to push the ball down the field in the pass game. What he doesn't want to do is have his QB throw down the field into coverage. I guarantee in film study when he sees what Brock sees instead of just quickly watching from the sideline he will be happy with the decision.

Just like in 2016, if you give him a QB he can trust he will tell him to let it rip.

Kyle's offenses are routinely in the top 5 in rush attempts per game/season. Even in 2016 with the Falcons (Ryan MVP) they were 12th. He wants to run the ball and play defense. That is the definition of "conservative" in football terms. How is this even a debate?

Again, He's happy with the decision because it worked. It's not what's in his "blood" as a coach. It just isn't and never will be. Luckily for us we have the perfect complement for Kyle, a QB with a gunslinger mentality. They are a perfect pair.

Edit: In 2016, the Falcons were 26th in pass attempts. Not exactly "letting it rip" lol.

Bingo. That's as conservative as you'll get in today's passing league.

I remember so many thinking we'd become this pass centric team once we got rid of Jimmy. Haha.

Nope.

Yeah no. Matt Ryan in 2016 had exactly THREE NFL QBs attempt more deep passes than him. Just because it's run heavy doesn't mean it's conservative. The runs set up deep passes. As shown in my previous post, which is what the Falcons did in 2016, and it's what we've done this year, and did with Trey, and did more with Nick, Brian and CJ, but didn't do nearly as much with Jimmy. Due to Jimmy.

And? Nobody is saying you can't be hyper efficient (like Brock) within the lowest passing attempts in a passing league. Which by virtue is a conservative offense.

We have the fewest passing attempts because the score of our games averages out to a just under a two touchdown win. In 2017, when we were losing a lot, we had the 2nd most pass attempts.

See post #36021. Overall as an OC and HC, Kyle has a losing record. So the theory that he's blowing everyone out and that's why he runs so much is false. In 2014 the Browns were 7-9. They ranked 6th in rushing attempts and 26th in passing attempts. In 2018 the Niners were 4-12. They ranked 11th in rushing attempts and 20th in passing attempts. So despite all of that losing, he was still committed to running the ball. Yes, OF COURSE when teams are losing they are going to throw more than run. Hell that's true even when teams are winning, as most teams pass the ball more than they run (even good teams). Very few teams/coaches are as skewed towards the run as Kyle is. I'm stressing the word skewed and emphasizing RELATIVE TO the rest of the league.

Kyle wants to run the football and is as committed to it as any coach in the league. Only Harbaugh in Baltimore is even close and they have Lamar who is an elite running QB. Again, this is not a knock on Kyle.

Are you really going to bring his record as an OC into this? Thats crazy. Kyle has a career record of 66-52 including playoffs where he is 6-3.

Well I was being told by multiple posters that play calling is not dictated by offensive philosophy, only by the score of the game. So yes his record (and scores of those games) is relevant if THAT is the point. Although the argument keeps changing so it might be time for me to check out for a bit.

That's false. What was told to you was that the score has a major influence. Nevertheless, aggressiveness is about whether or not the passes are deep, not run-pass balance. The 1982 49ers led the NFL in pass attempts. The 1999 Rams were 19th. To claim that the 1982 49ers were more aggressive is so astoundingly stupid it's actually insulting.

So let's settle that one question now: which was the more aggressive offense, the 1982 49ers, who lead the NFL in pass attempts—but ran a slow, BALL CONTROL offense, or the 1999 Rams, who are considered among the most aggressive offenses in NFL history who ran an offense that constantly pushed the ball down the field when they threw?

Pretty simple question. Will he answer it?

Probably one of the worst examples I've ever seen on the zone. The Niners in the early 80's with Walsh were completely reinventing the way the game was played. Relative to other teams in 1982, they were absolutely very aggressive. To compare them to a team 17 years in the future is so astoundingly stupid it's actually insulting.

No, they weren't. The narrative EVEN THEN was "the 49ers short passes are long handoffs." The aggressive teams were the Chargers, the Dolphins, etc.

Montana was 9th in the NFL in YPA in his first season as the starter. 8th in attempts and yards. And yes, they absolutely were reinventing the game. It's well documented that Walsh and the WCO were doing things no team had ever done. Thank you for at least backing off the comparison to a team two decades later.

YPA is not a measurement of passing aggression. It's a measurement of YARDS AFTER CATCH or passing aggression or a combination of both. It's impossible to know without knowing air yards, which you mock because it's been consistently inconvenient for your Jimmy love.

Reinventing the game is not the same as being aggressive. In fact, the way they reinvented the game is by utilizing SHORT passes (e.g., SAFE, CONSISTENT, LOW RISK) to replace the run game.

Oh I see, y'all think this is about Jimmy. Now I understand why you're so triggered. Geezus man, let it go. We're talking about Kyle's offensive philosophy. He's had MANY more QB's than just Jimmy and Purdy.

it's not about jimmy but you do hate Kyle and you do this every chance you get.

Kyle's philosophy has been pretty balanced and now that passing is more efficient the offense is now stronger than it has been in the 49ers era in a long long time

No I don't hate Kyle. Stop projecting.

LOL... I myself do not HATE Kyle..

but I do BELIEVE he sucks as a HC.. and he's the reason why

WE LOST TO KC in the Super Bowl..
why we LOST to the Rams at the NFCCG..
why Tampa Bay got in the Super Bowl vs KC
why we gave up the ranch for Baby Face
why we lost to the Eagles in last years NFCCG
why 23 will be all beat up come this year's NFCCG

so, I really don't hate our HC

Real coaches go 5-7 in the weak side of the Big 10.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Kyle is the same aggressive pass play caller he was in Atlanta. He finally has a QB to execute it like he did then.

All it is.

The aggressive Atlanta play caller who was 26th in the NFL in passing attempts per game lol.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Crazy to think Brock still learning Kyle's offense, and at the same time Kyle is learning the limit of Brock's abilities

B-ROCK's not learning the offense anymore, he's just learning MORE on how to read NFL defenses baby !!!

WOOOOOOOOO !!!!

Thank you. There's a difference between learning the offense and learning how to read NFL defenses.

Depends on what someone means by "learning the offense". I think from a playbook standpoint, he's pretty got it down as well as anyone.

i think he's still learning to read/identify certain defenses and how/why the offense is designed the way it is against certain coverages. Which is normal, and realistically, sometbing all QBs should be working on every year as the league grows and adapts.

so when I think about "learning the offense", it's more the "why" and "when" Kyle does things and how those plays work against different coverages. So i view it as a combination of still trying to learn the system in practice (not in textbook) and identifying/beating certain coverages.

it really should always be an ongoing process that he becomes great at, but is always improving.

That's a fair assessment I think. But even that I think is probably easier than learning the actual mental and physical mechanics of seeing and recognizing the defense while you're on the field, as opposed to in the film room. I think doing it in the film room is a lot easier than on the field.

I personally believe that the film room doesn't help that much... maybe to other QBs, but not to ALL... it's easier to point out on how to attack defenses in the film room, because you can always rewind - forward - slo mo and pause the movements or the reactions because, it is a film afterall.

B-Rock (IMO) has been doing a very good job thus far because he's got that IT in him... how much?... still remains to be seen..

but I'm convinced that his ability to SEE THE WHOLE FIELD while the secondary are dropping back into coverage is his GREATEST asset for now.. that throw to YUCK, that's one hell of a read (IMO)... had that been Grappy, the pass would have gone to Kittles because he seemed to be more OPEN..

there's a difference between a passer and a thrower.. and B-Rock B one good PASSER !!

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

Well that's a lie, just look at some of your posts.

As far as YAC goes, we are 10th this year. We're getting those big plays with air yards this time.

10th is low now? Lol