QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

Well that's a lie, just look at some of your posts.

As far as YAC goes, we are 10th this year. We're getting those big plays with air yards this time.

10th is low now? Lol

Reading comprehension again dude? Read what I wrote again, do it slowly if that helps.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Out of structure is scrambling and throwing to WR's who have deviated from their route. Not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to routes that aren't intended to be "in the play" ie clear-out routes. For Jimmy, those were off limits because Kyle said so. For Purdy, if it's open, he's throwing it. Aiyuk has literally said these exact words. You don't have to look very deeply to see what's going on here.

Evidence to support this claim?

Glancing at or alerting clear out routes is in every NFL offense.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The further you throw the ball down field, the less the success rate in the NFL. So imo, the more often you throw the ball down the field (20+ air yards) the more aggressive you are.

It's really that simple.

Yes, the most complex and difficult team sport in the history of mankind, can be summed up by air yards.

That 160 IQ shining again

If the conversation is too far above your head, we'll understand if you leave. Plenty of places to go and spam s**t posts all day.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Out of structure is scrambling and throwing to WR's who have deviated from their route. Not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to routes that aren't intended to be "in the play" ie clear-out routes. For Jimmy, those were off limits because Kyle said so. For Purdy, if it's open, he's throwing it. Aiyuk has literally said these exact words. You don't have to look very deeply to see what's going on here.

Evidence to support this claim?

Glancing at or alerting clear out routes is in every NFL offense.

"Glancing at" is a little different than "consistently making" (per Kyle) those throws. A reporter asked Kyle if Purdy's throw to Aiyuk was the wrong read: "yeah we all kind of held our breath." In Kyle's mind, that wasn't the right throw. But he made it, and it was successful. Undoubtedly Purdy is forcing Kyle to expand his thoughts on his offense and what it's capable of. That's what great QB's do.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The further you throw the ball down field, the less the success rate in the NFL. So imo, the more often you throw the ball down the field (20+ air yards) the more aggressive you are.

It's really that simple.

Yes, the most complex and difficult team sport in the history of mankind, can be summed up by air yards.

That 160 IQ shining again

If the conversation is too far above your head, we'll understand if you leave. Plenty of places to go and spam s**t posts all day.

Ya your posts are great man! Keep up the good work! 😂

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have NO ISSUE with how Kyle calls plays. Don't let these debbie downers fool you. I'm simply calling it like it is, and that's that Kyle is a conservative minded coach. He likes to run the ball, play a slow paced game, and dominate with defense. He favors efficient QB play over aggressive play and does not like having to be "pass-centric." And no, this is not merely because he is "always blowing teams out" lol. It's his identity. It's how he builds his team. It's how be drafts his skill players, and OL.

When you pair that mentality with a people-pleasing personality like Jimmy, who was also not a "grinder," who didn't have a good feel for throwing deep balls - you get a stagnant offense. Only when Jimmy went full on "F it mode" was he successful with Kyle. But it wasn't natural for him, and he made too many bone headed plays/turnovers.

Purdy has a much better feel for deep passes and has elite situational awareness. He knows when to "listen to Kyle" (aka play it safe) and when to tell Kyle to go fly a kite. Sit down, coach, I got this. Ice in my veins. He has that aggressive, gun slinger mentality that is necessary to get a coach like Kyle to come out of his shell a little. And it's working GREAT. As Purdy continues to make plays that Kyle doesn't see or wouldn't "want," or aren't the "right read" - Kyle continues to adjust how he calls plays.

There is absolutely nothing negative about this whatsoever; it's actually the perfect blend of coach/play caller and QB in my opinion. It's very strange that a few posters are so triggered by this and instead choose to believe that Kyle is actually "aggressive" and wants to chuck it deep. There is simply no evidence for that at all.

There's quite a bit of evidence that he is aggressive within the pass game.

You say a lot of things that are hard to disagree with in this post, but the Jimmy portion is pretty off and that's where you're running into disagreement. You're also giving Brock too much credit for going outside the boundaries of the offense. He's capable of doing it and he's done it successfully, but you're still seemingly confusing decisions within the structure of the offense with out of structure play.

Out of structure is scrambling and throwing to WR's who have deviated from their route. Not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to routes that aren't intended to be "in the play" ie clear-out routes. For Jimmy, those were off limits because Kyle said so. For Purdy, if it's open, he's throwing it. Aiyuk has literally said these exact words. You don't have to look very deeply to see what's going on here.

lies lies and more lies lol

Brock is playing great in spite of Kyle ! lol the biggest bag of horse s**t ever

Originally posted by Furlow:
"Glancing at" is a little different than "consistently making" (per Kyle) those throws. A reporter asked Kyle if Purdy's throw to Aiyuk was the wrong read: "yeah we all kind of held our breath." In Kyle's mind, that wasn't the right throw. But he made it, and it was successful. Undoubtedly Purdy is forcing Kyle to expand his thoughts on his offense and what it's capable of. That's what great QB's do.

This is why I responded to you in the other thread that I didn't think it was a clear out route on that particular play (but would wait to see All 22 at that time).

Again, this is a discussion that's actually about decision making within the offense… which is also where Jimmy was not up to snuff.

It's is entirely normal to have debates about which decision was the best decision within the offense, but there's no actual evidence that Kyle told Jimmy to not be aggressive in the pass game and ample evidence to suggest he struggled reading defenses and with field vision, and left plays all over the field.

Aiyuk's comments reflected that more than anything related to coaching.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have no beef with Kyle. I just think he's conservative, based on all of the evidence in front of us. You disagree. We can argue about it like grown ups or you can keep interjecting tears and emotions.

All coaches are conservative to a degree. And if they aren't,...they never reach this level of football.

Only thing that separates 1 from the other is "how much."



I mean call him whatever you wish....but as of now,...these are the results.

This from the guy constantly screaming that all of our big plays come from YAC lol. Purdy has been insanely efficient in the limited opportunities he's been given by his VERY conservative coach. Since we can't even call a coach aggressive anymore. Never seen so many grown men cry about words on a screen.

Well that's a lie, just look at some of your posts.

As far as YAC goes, we are 10th this year. We're getting those big plays with air yards this time.

10th is low now? Lol

Reading comprehension again dude? Read what I wrote again, do it slowly if that helps.

I can read just fine. I said we could be getting those explosive plays from YAC. You said, no it's not YAC, we're 10th. Implying that 10th is not good for YAC. That's better than 2/3rd of the league. So no, not all of those plays are from air yards. But that is besides the point, because we can all agree that Purdy is an extremely efficient deep ball passer. Efficient deep ball passing by itself does not equal "aggressive." Again, we are last in the NFL in passing attempts. Anyone who is intellectually honest would agree that running the ball is more conservative than passing the ball.

9ersveva here is where you mention the Bears throwing a bunch of screens for the 27th time in the past two days as evidence that passing doesn't equal aggressiveness. Because one outlier is a great argument against the fact that running the ball is more conservative than passing the ball.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
"Glancing at" is a little different than "consistently making" (per Kyle) those throws. A reporter asked Kyle if Purdy's throw to Aiyuk was the wrong read: "yeah we all kind of held our breath." In Kyle's mind, that wasn't the right throw. But he made it, and it was successful. Undoubtedly Purdy is forcing Kyle to expand his thoughts on his offense and what it's capable of. That's what great QB's do.

This is why I responded to you in the other thread that I didn't think it was a clear out route on that particular play (but would wait to see All 22 at that time).

Again, this is a discussion that's actually about decision making within the offense… which is also where Jimmy was not up to snuff.

It's is entirely normal to have debates about which decision was the best decision within the offense, but there's no actual evidence that Kyle told Jimmy to not be aggressive in the pass game and ample evidence to suggest he struggled reading defenses and with field vision, and left plays all over the field.

Aiyuk's comments reflected that more than anything related to coaching.

If Purdy, who is clearly an outstanding deep ball passer, is STILL making Kyle "hold his breath" on long pass plays, isn't that a good indication that Kyle is risk averse to deep passing?

As far as the other thread and the clear out route - Aiyuk was speaking in general, as was I in reference to him. I wasn't referring to the TD to him in the Seahawks game. Although that one is another good example of Purdy pushing the limits of Kyle's design. You can see that Aiyuk's route was more of an "in" type of cut, and Purdy threw him open at a deeper angle. That was not Kyle's design, but it's football. There is a gray area in the design to "make plays." That's what Purdy is doing, and that is not "coming from Kyle." That is my overall point here. Jimmy wasn't capable of it or wasn't willing to do it, or both. He ran the offense as it was designed "on paper." Purdy isn't bound to only the play design.

Originally posted by Furlow:
If Purdy, who is clearly an outstanding deep ball passer, is STILL making Kyle "hold his breath" on long pass plays, isn't that a good indication that Kyle is risk averse to deep passing?

As far as the other thread and the clear out route - Aiyuk was speaking in general, as was I in reference to him. I wasn't referring to the TD to him in the Seahawks game. Although that one is another good example of Purdy pushing the limits of Kyle's design. You can see that Aiyuk's route was more of an "in" type of cut, and Purdy threw him open at a deeper angle. That was not Kyle's design, but it's football. There is a gray area in the design to "make plays." That's what Purdy is doing, and that is not "coming from Kyle." That is my overall point here. Jimmy wasn't capable of it or wasn't willing to do it, or both. He ran the offense as it was designed "on paper." Purdy isn't bound to only the play design.

He didn't run the offense as designed on paper though, and that's why we moved mountains to replace him, lol… besides the fact that he couldn't stay healthy.

Watch some breakdowns of the play from former offensive coaches, gurus, or quarterbacks. It's not a unique thought that that particular throw wasn't necessarily the easiest or most common decision given the depth of the middlefield players. Any time any quarterback drops a ball between 4 defenders when there is an easy open read that will gain near first down yardage its going to be a hold your breath moment for a coach. * That doesn't indicate that the QB is pushing the boundaries of the design of the offense*

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Kyle is the same aggressive pass play caller he was in Atlanta. He finally has a QB to execute it like he did then.

All it is.

The aggressive Atlanta play caller who was 26th in the NFL in passing attempts per game lol.

And who was 4th in deep passing attempts.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All good. Glad we agree that it's been Brock that's been more aggressive. Certainly not Kyle. And that's not a dig at him either.

Kyle is the same aggressive pass play caller he was in Atlanta. He finally has a QB to execute it like he did then.

All it is.

The aggressive Atlanta play caller who was 26th in the NFL in passing attempts per game lol.

Great point Furlow. Kyle needs to model his offense more like the Commanders, who have the most passing attempts, and therefore are the most aggressive offense in the NFL.

lol

I have NO ISSUE with how Kyle calls plays. Don't let these debbie downers fool you. I'm simply calling it like it is, and that's that Kyle is a conservative minded coach. He likes to run the ball, play a slow paced game, and dominate with defense. He favors efficient QB play over aggressive play and does not like having to be "pass-centric." And no, this is not merely because he is "always blowing teams out" lol. It's his identity. It's how he builds his team. It's how be drafts his skill players, and OL.

When you pair that mentality with a people-pleasing personality like Jimmy, who was also not a "grinder," who didn't have a good feel for throwing deep balls - you get a stagnant offense. Only when Jimmy went full on "F it mode" was he successful with Kyle. But it wasn't natural for him, and he made too many bone headed plays/turnovers.

Purdy has a much better feel for deep passes and has elite situational awareness. He knows when to "listen to Kyle" (aka play it safe) and when to tell Kyle to go fly a kite. Sit down, coach, I got this. Ice in my veins. He has that aggressive, gun slinger mentality that is necessary to get a coach like Kyle to come out of his shell a little. And it's working GREAT. As Purdy continues to make plays that Kyle doesn't see or wouldn't "want," or aren't the "right read" - Kyle continues to adjust how he calls plays.

There is absolutely nothing negative about this whatsoever; it's actually the perfect blend of coach/play caller and QB in my opinion. It's very strange that a few posters are so triggered by this and instead choose to believe that Kyle is actually "aggressive" and wants to chuck it deep. There is simply no evidence for that at all.

I said this earlier but I'm not here to discuss whether Kyle is aggressive or not. My issue was with how a coach's aggressiveness was being determined. Total pass plays called? Total number of plays? Neither of those make any sense when determining how aggressive a coach/offense is. Go ahead and call Kyle the most conservative coach, that's not why I chimed into this.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:And who was 4th in deep passing attempts.

And I didn't look but almost assuredly #1 in YPA.

Just as it was in Washington with RG3 in '12. Top 5 in Houston in the two years Kyle was OC.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I can read just fine. I said we could be getting those explosive plays from YAC. You said, no it's not YAC, we're 10th. Implying that 10th is not good for YAC. That's better than 2/3rd of the league. So no, not all of those plays are from air yards. But that is besides the point, because we can all agree that Purdy is an extremely efficient deep ball passer. Efficient deep ball passing by itself does not equal "aggressive." Again, we are last in the NFL in passing attempts. Anyone who is intellectually honest would agree that running the ball is more conservative than passing the ball.

9ersveva here is where you mention the Bears throwing a bunch of screens for the 27th time in the past two days as evidence that passing doesn't equal aggressiveness. Because one outlier is a great argument against the fact that running the ball is more conservative than passing the ball.

It's an argument that looking solely at how many passes were thrown tell you nothing. That's dumbing the most complicated sport in mankind down to one stat.

I don't see how a screen, swing, shovel or dump off is more aggressive than running the ball at all.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's an argument that looking solely at how many passes were thrown tell you nothing. That's dumbing the most complicated sport in mankind down to one stat.

I don't see how a screen, swing, shovel or dump off is more aggressive than running the ball at all.

Whether someone thinks its more aggressive to replace runs with short passes, or pass the ball more in general is purely up to that person's offensive philosophy. I think most fans would probably agree passing more = more aggression for whatever it's worth (not much IMO).

The most relevant point worth arguing here is that he doesn't think Kyle wants to attack downfield in the pass game when the evidentiary picture clearly indicates otherwise.