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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Undeniable. Remember all that talk about ghost routes and clearing routes? They all magically disappeared starting late last season.

Thats when Brock started calling his own plays in the huddle Varsity Blues style.

Careful, someone is going to believe you're serious.

Definitely not calling his own plays. But our receivers can't just take plays off and run lazy routes. You don't see much of that from BA and is probably why he has naturally become Brock's favorite target. Coverage dictates where the ball goes and no route is a clearing route. A checkdown is a missed opportunity to Brock according to what Kyle said.

There are absolutely clearing routes. And Deebo runs them lazily constantly. Watch some of JT's breakdowns (QB School on YouTube). It's maddening. Offense would be so much better if he ran every route with 100% effort.

Yeah, weird take. Eric Davis (9ers ex DB) talks about ghost and clearing routes all the time. As a DB you learn to recognize them quickly and a savvy veteran can come off them and make a play.

I think what YAC is trying to note here is that even if it's a clearing or ghost route, with Brock, you need to be aware you can't run that lazy because Brock might hit you. The Aiyuk TD is a good example of that. That was a design for a primary check down. And the other routes were designed to help open it up, hence why it was so wide open.

If anything, we just got insight into what Kyle doesn't want there which is the opposite of what some are implying here.
man now i see our fans getting more dense as we get better to spite the coach..

The Aiyuk play isn't a check down play. The defense determines what where you would usually go. it's been 7 years now and you guys still can't figure it out

Dense? Didn't Kyle himself say it was a design short pass there?

Aiyuk wasn't the primary.

[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 30, 2023 at 7:43 AM ]
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You got to love these odd opinions ^^

one thing that is factual is that every QB under Kyle has played better under him than anyone else.

Have any of them gone to a coach with a proven offensive track record… like Andy Reid?

Don't bother with pesky facts. Kyle is a father to a few posters in here.
don't bother with facts.. so you admit it. thanks

Yes it's true that no QB under Kyle has gone on to play for as good of a coach as him.
Fact: Josh McDaniels is one of those Coaches 6x SB Champ and OC for a SB team
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Nov 30, 2023 at 7:32 AM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Undeniable. Remember all that talk about ghost routes and clearing routes? They all magically disappeared starting late last season.

Thats when Brock started calling his own plays in the huddle Varsity Blues style.

Careful, someone is going to believe you're serious.

Definitely not calling his own plays. But our receivers can't just take plays off and run lazy routes. You don't see much of that from BA and is probably why he has naturally become Brock's favorite target. Coverage dictates where the ball goes and no route is a clearing route. A checkdown is a missed opportunity to Brock according to what Kyle said.

There are absolutely clearing routes. And Deebo runs them lazily constantly. Watch some of JT's breakdowns (QB School on YouTube). It's maddening. Offense would be so much better if he ran every route with 100% effort.

Yeah, weird take. Eric Davis (9ers ex DB) talks about ghost and clearing routes all the time. As a DB you learn to recognize them quickly and a savvy veteran can come off them and make a play.

I think what YAC is trying to note here is that even if it's a clearing or ghost route, with Brock, you need to be aware you can't run that lazy because Brock might hit you. The Aiyuk TD is a good example of that. That was a design for a primary check down. And the other routes were designed to help open it up, hence why it was so wide open.

If anything, we just got insight into what Kyle doesn't want there which is the opposite of what some are implying here.
man now i see our fans getting more dense as we get better to spite the coach..

The Aiyuk play isn't a check down play. The defense determines what where you would usually go. it's been 7 years now and you guys still can't figure it out

Dense? Didn't Kyle himself say it was a design short pass there?

Aiyuk wasn't the primary.


It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Undeniable. Remember all that talk about ghost routes and clearing routes? They all magically disappeared starting late last season.

Thats when Brock started calling his own plays in the huddle Varsity Blues style.

Careful, someone is going to believe you're serious.

Definitely not calling his own plays. But our receivers can't just take plays off and run lazy routes. You don't see much of that from BA and is probably why he has naturally become Brock's favorite target. Coverage dictates where the ball goes and no route is a clearing route. A checkdown is a missed opportunity to Brock according to what Kyle said.

There are absolutely clearing routes. And Deebo runs them lazily constantly. Watch some of JT's breakdowns (QB School on YouTube). It's maddening. Offense would be so much better if he ran every route with 100% effort.

Yeah, weird take. Eric Davis (9ers ex DB) talks about ghost and clearing routes all the time. As a DB you learn to recognize them quickly and a savvy veteran can come off them and make a play.

I think what YAC is trying to note here is that even if it's a clearing or ghost route, with Brock, you need to be aware you can't run that lazy because Brock might hit you. The Aiyuk TD is a good example of that. That was a design for a primary check down. And the other routes were designed to help open it up, hence why it was so wide open.

If anything, we just got insight into what Kyle doesn't want there which is the opposite of what some are implying here.
man now i see our fans getting more dense as we get better to spite the coach..

The Aiyuk play isn't a check down play. The defense determines what where you would usually go. it's been 7 years now and you guys still can't figure it out

Dense? Didn't Kyle himself say it was a design short pass there?

Aiyuk wasn't the primary.


It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

They were both open and the checkdown was open before Aiyuk's deeper route.

Brock's got balls.

[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 30, 2023 at 8:28 AM ]
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.

I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.
Originally posted by thl408:
I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.

We have people in here that think Kyle doesn't want the touchdown. It's always been ridiculous.

He didn't think the touchdown was there from his sideline view. I take commentary from after the game with a grain of salt because they haven't seen the film. But since it fits a Brock is 80% of our success narrative and Kyle is along for the ride people run with it.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.

I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.
It takes an accurate QB to make that throw also
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.

I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.
It takes an accurate QB to make that throw also

It takes a certain mentality to even attempt it.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.

I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.
It takes an accurate QB to make that throw also

And a deeper route like that, he's pretty much had to make up his mind before the snap once he saw the coverage pre snap. Ballsy indeed.

BTW, that check down might have gone for a TD too. Great play call there.

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
It is not a designed checkdown (short pass). The coverage dictates the throw. In that specific coverage that Brock was seeing, Aiyuk was supposedly covered, or so that's what Kyle thought. Brock proved Kyle wrong.

Even Aiyuk said he thought he had a chance to get targeted since there were only two routes. The whole idea of 'Brock should have thrown short" is that because of the deep coverage, Kyle didn't think Aiyuk would be open. It's not that Aiyuk is not an option at all.

It's common sense thl.

I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.
It takes an accurate QB to make that throw also

Oh hell yeah. Accurate, confident, playmaker.
Originally posted by thl408:
I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.

Bingo
Originally posted by thl408:
Oh hell yeah. Accurate, confident, playmaker.

Finally have one at QB. Been two decades. Beautiful thing.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by thl408:
Oh hell yeah. Accurate, confident, playmaker.

Finally have one at QB. Been two decades. Beautiful thing.

To your other point, as long as he keeps being successful despite Kyle's mini stroke each time, Kyle might start modifying the offense more to highlight that moxy. Not sure.
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Undeniable. Remember all that talk about ghost routes and clearing routes? They all magically disappeared starting late last season.

Thats when Brock started calling his own plays in the huddle Varsity Blues style.

Careful, someone is going to believe you're serious.

Definitely not calling his own plays. But our receivers can't just take plays off and run lazy routes. You don't see much of that from BA and is probably why he has naturally become Brock's favorite target. Coverage dictates where the ball goes and no route is a clearing route. A checkdown is a missed opportunity to Brock according to what Kyle said.

There are absolutely clearing routes. And Deebo runs them lazily constantly. Watch some of JT's breakdowns (QB School on YouTube). It's maddening. Offense would be so much better if he ran every route with 100% effort.

Yeah, weird take. Eric Davis (9ers ex DB) talks about ghost and clearing routes all the time. As a DB you learn to recognize them quickly and a savvy veteran can come off them and make a play.

I think what YAC is trying to note here is that even if it's a clearing or ghost route, with Brock, you need to be aware you can't run that lazy because Brock might hit you. The Aiyuk TD is a good example of that. That was a design for a primary check down. And the other routes were designed to help open it up, hence why it was so wide open.

If anything, we just got insight into what Kyle doesn't want there which is the opposite of what some are implying here.
man now i see our fans getting more dense as we get better to spite the coach..

The Aiyuk play isn't a check down play. The defense determines what where you would usually go. it's been 7 years now and you guys still can't figure it out

The bolded is correct, and Kyle himself said where the defense was meant that the checkdown was where the QB would "usually go." His words. Not sure why you're having so much trouble figuring this out.
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