QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I thought that Jimmy being able to play with more freedom would help him. Didn't realize how broken he actually was/is. Busted up body plus freedom to do whatever you want = a lot of turnovers.

Jimmy aside, McDaniels isn't in the same universe as Kyle.

I mean it wasn't just him being broken…he just not very good and Kyle masked the deficiencies in his game.

A lot of Jimmy truthers said Kyle was part of the issue he wasn't going to the next level. Some said holding him back (not saying you). a lot of us said it was the other way around…and we continued to argue about it for years.

glad we got to see him play elsewhere and can conclude what he is overall…a avg to below avg starter in the league. IMO He should be giving Kyle 10% of his earnings. Shanny made him a f**k ton of cash.

In fairness to Jimmy when he arrived in SF he was very promising. Had a lot of potential. Unfortunately due to injury and other factors he couldn't take the next step and regressed. Similar story as Kap. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

That's the reality, amen

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.

We have people in here that think Kyle doesn't want the touchdown. It's always been ridiculous.

He didn't think the touchdown was there from his sideline view. I take commentary from after the game with a grain of salt because they haven't seen the film. But since it fits a Brock is 80% of our success narrative and Kyle is along for the ride people run with it.

We have people in here who don't believe in clear out routes lol.

My issue with the clearing route argument is that if your QB never takes the deeper route than that tendency shows up on film. Defenses than will start to clamp down on the shorter routes. We saw this over and over again in the playoffs against the better defenses. They knew that those "clearing routes" would never be attacked by Jimmy. Brock comes along and guys like BA had to learn the hard way that those clearing routes are still reads within the progression and depending on how the defense plays it, are absolutely an option so you better always be ready for a pass. So its not that clearing routes don't exist. Its that they are not ghost or phantom routes.

+1000

Go look at the matchups vs Zimmer's Vikings. Safeties playing flat-footed against everyone but Goodwin with linebackers camping in the middle of the field and not respecting the play-action at all. Got to the point that Kyle just stopped passing the ball entirely.

Contrast that with Brock hitting CMC on a clearing route against Tampa last year (in his first start) because the corner didn't properly respect the route from an RB split out wide.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I thought that Jimmy being able to play with more freedom would help him. Didn't realize how broken he actually was/is. Busted up body plus freedom to do whatever you want = a lot of turnovers.

Jimmy aside, McDaniels isn't in the same universe as Kyle.

I mean it wasn't just him being broken…he just not very good and Kyle masked the deficiencies in his game.

A lot of Jimmy truthers said Kyle was part of the issue he wasn't going to the next level. Some said holding him back (not saying you). a lot of us said it was the other way around…and we continued to argue about it for years.

glad we got to see him play elsewhere and can conclude what he is overall…a avg to below avg starter in the league. IMO He should be giving Kyle 10% of his earnings. Shanny made him a f**k ton of cash.

In fairness to Jimmy when he arrived in SF he was very promising. Had a lot of potential. Unfortunately due to injury and other factors he couldn't take the next step and regressed. Similar story as Kap. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Jimmy's efficiency went up after we acquired CMC. The ultimate checkdown for the checkdown master.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Jimmy's efficiency went up after we acquired CMC. The ultimate checkdown for the checkdown master.

He ain't lying
that's not Jimmy getting better, it's the roster getting better
roster has come a long ways, since 2017

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Jimmy's efficiency went up after we acquired CMC. The ultimate checkdown for the checkdown master.

Alex Smith would like a word with you.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Jimmy's efficiency went up after we acquired CMC. The ultimate checkdown for the checkdown master.

Alex Smith would like a word with you.

Alex smith was also held back according to you know who lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
Honestly, Jimmy was doing better than ever in his last year here. His deep ball improved a bit and his TD/INT ratio went through the roof.
Brock is still a lot better and his jump from year 1 to year 2 has been impressive, especially considering he couldn't throw all offseason.

One poster here will disagree fervently with that.

Jimmy's efficiency went up after we acquired CMC. The ultimate checkdown for the checkdown master.

He ain't lying
that's not Jimmy getting better, it's the roster getting better
roster has come a long ways, since 2017

yup...the 2017 team was a good enough to win but not good enough at QB until Jimmy came in

The team got better and jimmy stayed the same until jimmy became the weak link

Alex Smith and Kap have entered the Jimmy chat.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Alex Smith and Kap have entered the Jimmy chat.

it's like the evolution chart, gets better as you move forward, and BP at the end like this:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Alex Smith and Kap have entered the Jimmy chat.

it's like the evolution chart, gets better as you move forward, and BP at the end like this:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
McDaniels is as good of a coach as Kyle now.

You tell us. You were predicting far more Jimmy success in Vegas all offseason.

I thought that Jimmy being able to play with more freedom would help him. Didn't realize how broken he actually was/is. Busted up body plus freedom to do whatever you want = a lot of turnovers.

Jimmy aside, McDaniels isn't in the same universe as Kyle.

Even though you and I dont agree on Jimmy, at least you try to answer questions like others dont. So I will ask you this. What part of Jimmy's skillset has diminished from last season to this season? Is his mobility less? Is he slower running? Can he not throw the ball as far? Can he not throw the ball with as much velocity?

When someone is considered broken down or washed up, you can clearly see the difference in athleticism and skillset. So what did you see out of him that was markedly different than last season, where he had arguably played at the highest level he had as a 49er?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Alex Smith and Kap have entered the Jimmy chat.

it's like the evolution chart, gets better as you move forward, and BP at the end like this:

Hopefully 20+ years of this - if they get the right side of the offensive line fixed.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm sure we've all heard that type of play before "touchdown to checkdown". Look for the touchdown, if it's not there, take the checkdown. Kyle didn't think the touchdown was there but Brock proved him wrong.

We have people in here that think Kyle doesn't want the touchdown. It's always been ridiculous.

He didn't think the touchdown was there from his sideline view. I take commentary from after the game with a grain of salt because they haven't seen the film. But since it fits a Brock is 80% of our success narrative and Kyle is along for the ride people run with it.

We have people in here who don't believe in clear out routes lol.

I read those pages. A clear out route is usually an 'Alert' route. Meaning that while it may not be the first read in the progression, it can still be an option if the QB sees that the defender that is defending the Alert route goofed (fell down, blew his assignment).

Well those clearing routes can develop into a viable staple of Kyle's offense - considering a couple of factors (1) Brock's arm is plenty strong to throw those deeper passes (2) his insane accuracy. Not that I'd want the play action and the short and intermediate range passing to take a back seat overall, but that in the future, I think guys like Ronnie Bell or Ray Ray can be replaced by true speed burners like a Goodwin 2.0 or possibly a Danny Gray. Specially if the opposing defense has weak defensive backs like (for example) the Eagles.