QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Any QB in the NFL could have made that throw, it was a broken coverage and Hill was wide open. That play was more about Mahomes buying time and the refs not calling holding on Bosa.

And the second question has everything to do with what we're talking about. You don't have to say he's perfect, no one thinks that. But posters (myself included) don't think you're sold on Purdy. So you can clear the air by saying that you think he has everything that we need to win the Super Bowl.

Tread carefully, earlier in the year NY finally gave his seal of approval and Purdy proceeded to have the worst stretch of his career. Why rock the boat?

I don't recall this. But if that's the case, then why the barrage of posts about lack of arm strength this week?

I did and have said a ton of positive s**t about him….again for the 100th time I called out a poster that said he was on the same level as Kap/Lance as far as arm strength goes and I said stop it. Saying his arm strength isn't amazing doesn't NOT equal me saying he sucks as a QB or I hate him.

it's like me saying Anquan Boldin isn't fast. It's true but he was still f**king good.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who cares about arm strength. I have yet to see Brock's arm limit this offense. The only time I can see it being an issue is if he is throwing a 65 yard desparation hail mary. How many times have we seen the hail mary pass under a Kyle Shanahan run offense? I am actually curious to know.

Every NFL QB can't there ball downfield. Velocity and strength is what was being discussed. Someone actually saying he's on part with Kap/lance, which is just nonsense.

Overall he isn't dogs**t there. He's also not top end of the league, nor is it a positive trait. I'd say his arm is comparable to say Andy Dalton. Not amazing not awful.

Who cares and why?

Originally posted by Chance:
I mean your stance has softened quite a bit. While it would take hours to comb through previous posts to determine if you used the word "noodle" or not, you clearly implied that his arm was a liability and bottom of the barrel in the league. Brock has proven its absolutely not a liability, even if it's not a cannon. Again, learn how to take an L and you'd probably get less dudes on your case.

I never did so save you time. I said his arm strength will never be a plus trait of his. Doesn't mean he can't be a great QB. Not sure how many more times I need to write that for ya'll get it.

There's no loss to take, his arm strength isn't a valuable asset or some great trait he possesses. He has other qualities that help him be successful at the highest level.

I don't care about debating people, that's fine. I do care about people lying about what I said or just flat disregarding what I wrote because they get all uptight that I don't think he's a 10 out of 10 for every QB trait.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who cares about arm strength. I have yet to see Brock's arm limit this offense. The only time I can see it being an issue is if he is throwing a 65 yard desparation hail mary. How many times have we seen the hail mary pass under a Kyle Shanahan run offense? I am actually curious to know.

Every NFL QB can't there ball downfield. Velocity and strength is what was being discussed. Someone actually saying he's on part with Kap/lance, which is just nonsense.

Overall he isn't dogs**t there. He's also not top end of the league, nor is it a positive trait. I'd say his arm is comparable to say Andy Dalton. Not amazing not awful.

Who cares and why?

I don't. I thought the TD he threw to Kittle when he was getting hit and couldn't step into the throw showed he has all the arm strength needed. Much better deep ball than what Jimmy had, probably more than any QB Kyle has had, with maybe the exception of Ryan.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:
This throw is very aggressive, we all agree. Kyle's aggressiveness (design) or Purdy's (guts, decision making)? 👀

About as disrespectful a throw as any QB can make @49ers pic.twitter.com/WI2iItqIfg

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) November 29, 2023

That is one play. That play is NOT indicative of even what Brock normally does. Brock has gotten to first in the league in completed air yards almost entirely IN STRUCTURE, via deep ins, deep outs, and deep crossing routes—all schemed and all within structure. He makes about one or two of those risky throws per game. The overwhelming majority of his production comes within the typical evolution of the play. And even that play in hindsight was not outside of structure. It was just preternatural anticipation and accuracy. THE PLAY ITSELF does not exclude that throw. I mean jesus christ. The route is ENTIRELY VALID as an option for the QB in and of itself. The reason Kyle was surprised he threw it was because of the COVERAGE. The coverage would have forced a perfect pass for that to work. But different coverages with THE EXACT SAME PLAY CALL that route would have been wide open and the clear and obvious correct choice.

I mean how is this so difficult to understand?

Thank you for confirming that it was Purdy's aggressiveness and not Kyle's. You know damn well it's not just one throw. He turned down an easy slant to Aiyuk to chuck a bomb to Kittle, TD. He threw a long fade TD to Aiyuk on a clear out route. He is an aggressive QB that is expanding Kyle's offense. He even makes Kye "hold his breath."

Uh no. The routes ARE LITERALLY ALWAYS THERE. They are ALWAYS THERE. The QB decides where to go with the ball. The reason our offense now and the 2016 offense had deep passes is because the QB had/has the courage to throw it. The reason we threw a bunch of short passes the last 6 years is beacuse JImmy didn't have teh courage to throw it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Any QB in the NFL could have made that throw, it was a broken coverage and Hill was wide open. That play was more about Mahomes buying time and the refs not calling holding on Bosa.

And the second question has everything to do with what we're talking about. You don't have to say he's perfect, no one thinks that. But posters (myself included) don't think you're sold on Purdy. So you can clear the air by saying that you think he has everything that we need to win the Super Bowl.

Tread carefully, earlier in the year NY finally gave his seal of approval and Purdy proceeded to have the worst stretch of his career. Why rock the boat?

I don't recall this. But if that's the case, then why the barrage of posts about lack of arm strength this week?

I did and have said a ton of positive s**t about him….again for the 100th time I called out a poster that said he was on the same level as Kap/Lance as far as arm strength goes and I said stop it. Saying his arm strength isn't amazing doesn't NOT equal me saying he sucks as a QB or I hate him.

it's like me saying Anquan Boldin isn't fast. It's true but he was still f**king good.

He definitely can't throw it as fast as Kaep or Trey, that's true. But Kaep and Trey both had/have really long throwing motions. So if you actually timed all three of them from the start of their windup to the ball hitting the WR, I would expect that Purdy would be ahead of both of them on all throws besides fade routes. Purdy's release is incredibly quick and that cuts down on valuable time to get the ball into the WR's hands.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's not a plus, overall Brock won't ever be known as a guy with a strong arm. Not sure how many times I have to say that. That doesn't mean I think he sucks or can't be successful.

Lance/Kap have vastly stronger arms…this shouldn't be some wild take.

You have shifted to arm strength from "his arm is passable" and "gets the job done".

By what measure?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes won a SB off of his arm talent on a 3rd & 15 play vs us. Those situations will happen and hopefully he does it. He has yet to be put in a real situation where we're playing behind and need a big play to win.

What does your second question have to do with what we're talking about? I never said he sucks and needs to be replaced. That's the problem with debating with some of you…if it's not all 100% positive that means I don't like them and they need to be replaced. I keep saying he's got other great meaningful qualities. His arm strength isn't one, which is okay. It's also okay to acknowledge it without people having a fit over it.

You said his road stats sucked earlier this week.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who cares about arm strength. I have yet to see Brock's arm limit this offense. The only time I can see it being an issue is if he is throwing a 65 yard desparation hail mary. How many times have we seen the hail mary pass under a Kyle Shanahan run offense? I am actually curious to know.

Every NFL QB can't there ball downfield. Velocity and strength is what was being discussed. Someone actually saying he's on part with Kap/lance, which is just nonsense.

Overall he isn't dogs**t there. He's also not top end of the league, nor is it a positive trait. I'd say his arm is comparable to say Andy Dalton. Not amazing not awful.

Who cares and why?

I don't. I thought the TD he threw to Kittle when he was getting hit and couldn't step into the throw showed he has all the arm strength needed. Much better deep ball than what Jimmy had, probably more than any QB Kyle has had, with maybe the exception of Ryan.

Arm strength topic again..thought that was put to rest. He is deep and dirty Purdy. NEXT lol

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who cares about arm strength. I have yet to see Brock's arm limit this offense. The only time I can see it being an issue is if he is throwing a 65 yard desparation hail mary. How many times have we seen the hail mary pass under a Kyle Shanahan run offense? I am actually curious to know.

Every NFL QB can't there ball downfield. Velocity and strength is what was being discussed. Someone actually saying he's on part with Kap/lance, which is just nonsense.

Overall he isn't dogs**t there. He's also not top end of the league, nor is it a positive trait. I'd say his arm is comparable to say Andy Dalton. Not amazing not awful.

Who cares and why?

No one cares until it's needed. Same thing with a fast DB, doesn't matter until they get burnt.

I love a ton of stuff about Brock. The overall arm strength while serviceable isn't really a tool that he has in his tool belt like some of the other top end QBs in the league.

it's wild. All I said today was I thought it was ridiculous for someone to say his arm is the same as Kap and Lance. Yet here we are.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You said his road stats sucked earlier this week.

I posted a handful of metric showing that yes. I've also posted plenty of clips of him making great throws and other good stats. What's your point?

If you're unable to have a normal convo about the good and not so good…that's not my problem.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have shifted to arm strength from "his arm is passable" and "gets the job done".

By what measure?

His arm strength is passable. It's never gonna be a positive trait. Much like someone like Anquan Bolden wouldn't be a burner. Doesn't mean he won't be great, not his best trait.

do you want me to write that 15 more times so it sinks in? Or do you get it?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who cares about arm strength. I have yet to see Brock's arm limit this offense. The only time I can see it being an issue is if he is throwing a 65 yard desparation hail mary. How many times have we seen the hail mary pass under a Kyle Shanahan run offense? I am actually curious to know.

Every NFL QB can't there ball downfield. Velocity and strength is what was being discussed. Someone actually saying he's on part with Kap/lance, which is just nonsense.

Overall he isn't dogs**t there. He's also not top end of the league, nor is it a positive trait. I'd say his arm is comparable to say Andy Dalton. Not amazing not awful.

Who cares and why?

No one cares until it's needed. Same thing with a fast DB, doesn't matter until they get burnt.

I love a ton of stuff about Brock. The overall arm strength while serviceable isn't really a tool that he has in his tool belt like some of the other top end QBs in the league.

it's wild. All I said today was I thought it was ridiculous for someone to say his arm is the same as Kap and Lance. Yet here we are.

Yea. But my question was how many times has Kyle even called a hail mary pass in his career? DB's get burnt week in and week out. How many hail mary passes do you see around the league on a weekly basis? Doesn't seem comparable to me.

Originally posted by Furlow:
He definitely can't throw it as fast as Kaep or Trey, that's true. But Kaep and Trey both had/have really long throwing motions. So if you actually timed all three of them from the start of their windup to the ball hitting the WR, I would expect that Purdy would be ahead of both of them on all throws besides fade routes. Purdy's release is incredibly quick and that cuts down on valuable time to get the ball into the WR's hands.

That has nothing to do with arm strength. We're not talking about release time. Jimmy has the fast release in the league…so what his arm strength is on par with those guys because of that? No that's not true. Plain and simple.

This is like telling me Greg Maddox has the same arm strength as Randy Johnson because of their different mechanics.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
His arm strength is passable. It's never gonna be a positive trait. Much like someone like Anquan Bolden wouldn't be a burner. Doesn't mean he won't be great, not his best trait.

do you want me to write that 15 more times so it sinks in? Or do you get it?

I'm going to need at least 10 more times.