QB Brock Purdy Thread

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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So u know more football than most people on this forum, but you think that we don't have route adjustments? Interesting...

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still not addressing Kurt Warner. The weapons he had with the Rams and then Cards were insane. Brock actually has a higher QB rating through his first 16 starts than Kurt did with all those weapons. Surely that has to tell you something. He's literally the ONLY player to have a better rating over that span than Warner. Can't say Brock just has better weapons than Kurt did - who also had a first ballot HOF LT.

Do we know how good the rams offensive line was?

Ddefinitely wasn't worse than ours. Ours is not a good pass pro line.

Brock has Trent, Kurt had Orlando Pace.

RE production without weapons not to yiu, but the orevious poster- the tape on Purdy during our 3 game skid was fantastic. He was making a ton of high level QB plays.

With a guy like Purdy, you're not going to see a ton of "wow" plays l. That's how Joe was, that's how Kurt was. So, I'm not sure what more you were looking for when Deebo and Trent were out. The film was very, very solid.

I'd argue that we see just as many "wow" plays with Brock than we do the usual suspects on Sportscenter (Lamar, Allen etc), they just look different. I am just as impressed when I see a QB stand in the face of a rusher, make an accurate throw knowing he's about to get blasted, than when a QB evades and makes an off platform throw.

Then when you take it to the all22 and see Brock's ability to "throw a WR open", it is downright uncanny. If folks don't understand how difficult that is and how that takes mental talent, then we can only hope they eventually appreciate that type of QB play.

In these times when so many former NFL players are breaking down individual plays that a QB makes (on Twitter etc), I hope that those types of plays that Brock makes get the recognition it deserves.

I think one thing that came out of some of these young QBs busting (Fields, ZWilson) where they dropback and have no clue wth they are looking at, people see what it looks like when a QB fully understands what he's looking at (Brock).

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Thats why I put, "wow" throws in quotes. Because that seems to be the disconnect. We're saying we want to see him perform well without weapons, when he performed really well without Deebo and Trent but you couldn't fully appreciate it without watching the film.

When it comes to the wow throws, with Brock we may need the all22 to really appreciate what we just saw. We can't tell that Brock threw the ball before the WR exited his break when watching it from the TV view. Or just how close the throw went over the jumping LB's outreached arms as Brock layers the throw. Whereas we see Allen/Lamar run around evading to make off platform throws from the regular TV view, and are able to say 'wow' as we are watching it live.

You can see them on tv if you know what to look for, one tell is hitting receivers in stride

Not really. Take the SEA Aiyuk touchdown throw. There was no way to tell that Brock threw before Aiyuk exited his break. The live view didn't show it. Then the two replays they showed were of Brock in the pocket (can't see Aiyuk), and iso cam on Aiyuk running his route (can't see Brock). Hitting the WR in stride doesn't necessarily mean that the QB started his throwing motion before the WR exited his break, it just means the QB hit the WR in stride.

As good as Brock is playing imagine if they had the one thing they're missing on offense. A 6'4", 230 lb receiver that could really stretch the field. Then they would have the short YAC receiver like Deebo, the intermediate receiver in Aiyuk and the deep stretch guy like ? Fill in the blank.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still not addressing Kurt Warner. The weapons he had with the Rams and then Cards were insane. Brock actually has a higher QB rating through his first 16 starts than Kurt did with all those weapons. Surely that has to tell you something. He's literally the ONLY player to have a better rating over that span than Warner. Can't say Brock just has better weapons than Kurt did - who also had a first ballot HOF LT.

Do we know how good the rams offensive line was?

Ddefinitely wasn't worse than ours. Ours is not a good pass pro line.

Brock has Trent, Kurt had Orlando Pace.

RE production without weapons not to yiu, but the orevious poster- the tape on Purdy during our 3 game skid was fantastic. He was making a ton of high level QB plays.

With a guy like Purdy, you're not going to see a ton of "wow" plays l. That's how Joe was, that's how Kurt was. So, I'm not sure what more you were looking for when Deebo and Trent were out. The film was very, very solid.

I'd argue that we see just as many "wow" plays with Brock than we do the usual suspects on Sportscenter (Lamar, Allen etc), they just look different. I am just as impressed when I see a QB stand in the face of a rusher, make an accurate throw knowing he's about to get blasted, than when a QB evades and makes an off platform throw.

Then when you take it to the all22 and see Brock's ability to "throw a WR open", it is downright uncanny. If folks don't understand how difficult that is and how that takes mental talent, then we can only hope they eventually appreciate that type of QB play.

In these times when so many former NFL players are breaking down individual plays that a QB makes (on Twitter etc), I hope that those types of plays that Brock makes get the recognition it deserves.

I think one thing that came out of some of these young QBs busting (Fields, ZWilson) where they dropback and have no clue wth they are looking at, people see what it looks like when a QB fully understands what he's looking at (Brock).

Thats why I put, "wow" throws in quotes. Because that seems to be the disconnect. We're saying we want to see him perform well without weapons, when he performed really well without Deebo and Trent but you couldn't fully appreciate it without watching the film.

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When it comes to the wow throws, with Brock we may need the all22 to really appreciate what we just saw. We can't tell that Brock threw the ball before the WR exited his break when watching it from the TV view. Or just how close the throw went over the jumping LB's outreached arms as Brock layers the throw. Whereas we see Allen/Lamar run around evading to make off platform throws from the regular TV view, and are able to say 'wow' as we are watching it live.

You can see them on tv if you know what to look for, one tell is hitting receivers in stride

Not really. Take the SEA Aiyuk touchdown throw. There was no way to tell that Brock threw before Aiyuk exited his break. The live view didn't show it. Then the two replays they showed were of Brock in the pocket (can't see Aiyuk), and iso cam on Aiyuk running his route (can't see Brock). Hitting the WR in stride doesn't necessarily mean that the QB started his throwing motion before the WR exited his break, it just means the QB hit the WR in stride.

Not full proof. But we know of Purdy. So it helps.

He hit Aiyuk in stride, the camera didn't show Aiyuk after the catch. it showed Brock throwing and Aiyuk running to where Brock threw it. Easy sign of an anticipation throw

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As good as Brock is playing imagine if they had the one thing they're missing on offense. A 6'4", 230 lb receiver that could really stretch the field. Then they would have the short YAC receiver like Deebo, the intermediate receiver in Aiyuk and the deep stretch guy like ? Fill in the blank.

I'll take the 5'10 Tyreek Hill, lol.

I'm old enough to remember when Danny Gray was a thing.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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There's a bunch of route adjustments in Kyle's playbook. All NFL playbooks have route adjustments. This isn't Pop Warner.

Yeah, if anyone wants it, I'll give you his playbook. It's a pretty big file but there's route adjustments all over the place.

Like, a ton of our outside routes will be a Fade vs C2 and then a comeback vs bump or 3 zone. Shallow crossing routes will sit vs zone, keep going v man.

The drift route, a 7 step in route, literally says, "7 steps, break in off outside foot and work to space"

The Dagger concept is a deep thru route vs C3, skinny post vs C2 paired with a dover(DIG).

We have tons of choice routes.

We have a Heat route which will look like a high crosser and sit down vs zone, work back outside vs man.

Pretty much every play has a sight adjustment against some coverage.

Great info JD, and I think the offense will just get more and more sophisticated as these adjustments to the routs get absorbed by both QB and WR. As Brock learns more and more and becomes comfortable with all the adjustments, this offense will have adjustments on top of adjustments and options for every defensive coverage. It will be really hard to stop the passing game, even if the running game is average. (and it never will be average as long as CMC is RB).

That and running the ball is a core philosophy of Shanahan. Anywhere he or his dad have been, the run game has been crucial. DEN churned out 1k RB's like it was routine. WAS had Alfred Morris be a 1600 yard back. HOU he had Arian Foster make the pro bowl, in ATL he took the 32nd rushing attempt team and had them middle of the league. We've seen what he has done here.

Purdy has a superpower which we should all be very thankful for. He has the ability to improve on the weaknesses in his game. When Kap and Jimmy first hit the scene we thought wow if this guy could improve on x and y we could have something really special and then they both proceeded to make no appreciable progress on those weak points. When Purdy came on he would uncork a few wildly errant throws on simple passes - now he rarely throws an errant pass and hits layups effortlessly. He started with little pocket presence and would always bail out backwards and scramble - a short time later he smoothly navigates the pocket stepping up when it is there with eyes always downfield. Then the new narrative started that he can't throw deep, a narrative which he is eviscerating with every throw. There are lots more examples but it's pretty clear that for the first time in forever we have a qb that is capable of improving so enjoy it!

Because of Purdy we have a new term, "Arm arrogance".

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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There's a bunch of route adjustments in Kyle's playbook. All NFL playbooks have route adjustments. This isn't Pop Warner.

He's not talking about choice routes. Aiyuk had no idea that Purdy was going to throw that ball where he did.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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There's a bunch of route adjustments in Kyle's playbook. All NFL playbooks have route adjustments. This isn't Pop Warner.

Yeah, if anyone wants it, I'll give you his playbook. It's a pretty big file but there's route adjustments all over the place.

Like, a ton of our outside routes will be a Fade vs C2 and then a comeback vs bump or 3 zone. Shallow crossing routes will sit vs zone, keep going v man.

The drift route, a 7 step in route, literally says, "7 steps, break in off outside foot and work to space"

The Dagger concept is a deep thru route vs C3, skinny post vs C2 paired with a dover(DIG).

We have tons of choice routes.

We have a Heat route which will look like a high crosser and sit down vs zone, work back outside vs man.

Pretty much every play has a sight adjustment against some coverage.

Those are adjustments based on the coverage or defender technique. If you watch the Chase Daniel video, that's not what he's referring to.

I assumed that's what qnhan7 was responding to.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still not addressing Kurt Warner. The weapons he had with the Rams and then Cards were insane. Brock actually has a higher QB rating through his first 16 starts than Kurt did with all those weapons. Surely that has to tell you something. He's literally the ONLY player to have a better rating over that span than Warner. Can't say Brock just has better weapons than Kurt did - who also had a first ballot HOF LT.

Do we know how good the rams offensive line was?

Ddefinitely wasn't worse than ours. Ours is not a good pass pro line.

Brock has Trent, Kurt had Orlando Pace.

RE production without weapons not to yiu, but the orevious poster- the tape on Purdy during our 3 game skid was fantastic. He was making a ton of high level QB plays.

With a guy like Purdy, you're not going to see a ton of "wow" plays l. That's how Joe was, that's how Kurt was. So, I'm not sure what more you were looking for when Deebo and Trent were out. The film was very, very solid.

I'd argue that we see just as many "wow" plays with Brock than we do the usual suspects on Sportscenter (Lamar, Allen etc), they just look different. I am just as impressed when I see a QB stand in the face of a rusher, make an accurate throw knowing he's about to get blasted, than when a QB evades and makes an off platform throw.

Then when you take it to the all22 and see Brock's ability to "throw a WR open", it is downright uncanny. If folks don't understand how difficult that is and how that takes mental talent, then we can only hope they eventually appreciate that type of QB play.

In these times when so many former NFL players are breaking down individual plays that a QB makes (on Twitter etc), I hope that those types of plays that Brock makes get the recognition it deserves.

I think one thing that came out of some of these young QBs busting (Fields, ZWilson) where they dropback and have no clue wth they are looking at, people see what it looks like when a QB fully understands what he's looking at (Brock).

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Thats why I put, "wow" throws in quotes. Because that seems to be the disconnect. We're saying we want to see him perform well without weapons, when he performed really well without Deebo and Trent but you couldn't fully appreciate it without watching the film.

When it comes to the wow throws, with Brock we may need the all22 to really appreciate what we just saw. We can't tell that Brock threw the ball before the WR exited his break when watching it from the TV view. Or just how close the throw went over the jumping LB's outreached arms as Brock layers the throw. Whereas we see Allen/Lamar run around evading to make off platform throws from the regular TV view, and are able to say 'wow' as we are watching it live.

You can see them on tv if you know what to look for, one tell is hitting receivers in stride

Lol

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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So u know more football than most people on this forum, but you think that we don't have route adjustments? Interesting...

Again, not the adjustments that Chase Daniel was referring to in his video.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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So u know more football than most people on this forum, but you think that we don't have route adjustments? Interesting...

Again, not the adjustments that Chase Daniel was referring to in his video.

The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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So u know more football than most people on this forum, but you think that we don't have route adjustments? Interesting...

Again, not the adjustments that Chase Daniel was referring to in his video.

The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.