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Dec 2, 2023 at 2:14 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
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Again, not the adjustments that Chase Daniel was referring to in his video.

The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.

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This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?
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Dec 2, 2023 at 2:29 PM
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Furlow:
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The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.


This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?

This was my interpretation of your previous post. Aiyuk was far too much into his route for that to be an adjustment on his part. You can see when he makes his break that it's pretty flat. But Purdy throws it more upfield (to get over the LB) and THEN Aiyuk adjusts to the pass. That is not a sight/route adjustment nor a choice route, but he is "adjusting" his route because Purdy is throwing him open. Again, not sure what to call that but I do not see how this is part of "Kyle's system," otherwise Aiyuk would have broke towards the post, and not flat as he did. Even Chase Daniel said "this is all Purdy."
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:08 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
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What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.


This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?

This was my interpretation of your previous post. Aiyuk was far too much into his route for that to be an adjustment on his part. You can see when he makes his break that it's pretty flat. But Purdy throws it more upfield (to get over the LB) and THEN Aiyuk adjusts to the pass. That is not a sight/route adjustment nor a choice route, but he is "adjusting" his route because Purdy is throwing him open. Again, not sure what to call that but I do not see how this is part of "Kyle's system," otherwise Aiyuk would have broke towards the post, and not flat as he did. Even Chase Daniel said "this is all Purdy."
how is it not Kyle's system. The play and routes were called. Purdy threw where Aiyuk should be. He's not backyard ballin and just throw balls anywhere
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:11 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
This was my interpretation of your previous post. Aiyuk was far too much into his route for that to be an adjustment on his part. You can see when he makes his break that it's pretty flat. But Purdy throws it more upfield (to get over the LB) and THEN Aiyuk adjusts to the pass. That is not a sight/route adjustment nor a choice route, but he is "adjusting" his route because Purdy is throwing him open. Again, not sure what to call that but I do not see how this is part of "Kyle's system," otherwise Aiyuk would have broke towards the post, and not flat as he did. Even Chase Daniel said "this is all Purdy."

It was an "ELITE" throw. No ifs ands or buts about it!
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:19 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
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What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.


This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?

This was my interpretation of your previous post. Aiyuk was far too much into his route for that to be an adjustment on his part. You can see when he makes his break that it's pretty flat. But Purdy throws it more upfield (to get over the LB) and THEN Aiyuk adjusts to the pass. That is not a sight/route adjustment nor a choice route, but he is "adjusting" his route because Purdy is throwing him open. Again, not sure what to call that but I do not see how this is part of "Kyle's system," otherwise Aiyuk would have broke towards the post, and not flat as he did. Even Chase Daniel said "this is all Purdy."

When I look at this play, as I have now for FIFTY TIMES, I see elements of the WCO. We know that Shanahan is still using elements of the Bill Walsh playbook because Purdy ran the Hollywood play in Seattle last year. It was a play that both Joe Montana and Steve Young ran to perfection under BW. We also know that Walsh was a master at deception. He clearly believed in the mantra of "throw it where they ain't," and his WCO was designed to catch key defensive players out of position.

If you look at that play again, focus on the deception. It's provided by Kittle. He breaks to the corner of the endzone a second before Aiyuk pivots to the center. In doing so, Kittle pulls the Seahawk safety with him as he pivots to cover the player closest to the endzone. But, all that does is open up the middle of the field. Remember, Aiyuk hasn't made his pivot yet. He's got options of going to the corner or the center. But given that Kittle has already cleared out the safety with his pivot to the corner of the endzone, the center is going to be WIDE OPEN. It is, and Purdy throws a beautiful dart for a clinching score. By the time the Seattle safety understands what is taking place and attempts to recover, it's already too late. He can't stop it. He's not in position to make that play.

That is the WCO in a nutshell. I can remember watching old vids of BW telling receivers, "if you do this, then that spot should be wide open." That is what I see with this play.

BW would have loved Brock Purdy.
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:23 PM
Originally posted by billbird2111:
When I look at this play, as I have now for FIFTY TIMES, I see elements of the WCO. We know that Shanahan is still using elements of the Bill Walsh playbook because Purdy ran the Hollywood play in Seattle last year. It was a play that both Joe Montana and Steve Young ran to perfection under BW. We also know that Walsh was a master at deception. He clearly believed in the mantra of "throw it where they ain't," and his WCO was designed to catch key defensive players out of position.

If you look at that play again, focus on the deception. It's provided by Kittle. He breaks to the corner of the endzone a second before Aiyuk pivots to the center. In doing so, Kittle pulls the Seahawk safety with him as he pivots to cover the player closest to the endzone. But, all that does is open up the middle of the field. Remember, Aiyuk hasn't made his pivot yet. He's got options of going to the corner or the center. But given that Kittle has already cleared out the safety with his pivot to the corner of the endzone, the center is going to be WIDE OPEN. It is, and Purdy throws a beautiful dart for a clinching score. By the time the Seattle safety understands what is taking place and attempts to recover, it's already too late. He can't stop it. He's not in position to make that play.

That is the WCO in a nutshell. I can remember watching old vids of BW telling receivers, "if you do this, then that spot should be wide open." That is what I see with this play.

BW would have loved Brock Purdy.

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Dec 2, 2023 at 3:25 PM
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Still not addressing Kurt Warner. The weapons he had with the Rams and then Cards were insane. Brock actually has a higher QB rating through his first 16 starts than Kurt did with all those weapons. Surely that has to tell you something. He's literally the ONLY player to have a better rating over that span than Warner. Can't say Brock just has better weapons than Kurt did - who also had a first ballot HOF LT.

First of all, you can't compare numbers at face value when it comes to the passing game in 1999 and today. It's a totally different game. Only 5 guys had QB ratings higher than 90, with Warner being the only one over 100 in 1999. There are currently 16 QB's with ratings of over 90, and 6 of them are over 100. Secondly, and while I have no problem with KW being in the HOF, he is one of the best examples from that rare group who needed the weapons around him more than he made the weapons. I love what Purdy is doing and he shows all the traits that are required to play the game at a high level, but what separates guys like Kurt Warner from Joe Montana is that Montana's game fell far less when everything around him wasn't optimal.

I'd 'like' to see how Purdy reacts when he has multiple stretches when he either doesn't have all the talent around him, or he gets into a shootout, or he's down by 4+ points with 1:30 left in the game. Sooner or later, I will see those scenarios, and that's when I can completely decide just how good he truly is.

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Dec 2, 2023 at 3:32 PM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
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This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?

This was my interpretation of your previous post. Aiyuk was far too much into his route for that to be an adjustment on his part. You can see when he makes his break that it's pretty flat. But Purdy throws it more upfield (to get over the LB) and THEN Aiyuk adjusts to the pass. That is not a sight/route adjustment nor a choice route, but he is "adjusting" his route because Purdy is throwing him open. Again, not sure what to call that but I do not see how this is part of "Kyle's system," otherwise Aiyuk would have broke towards the post, and not flat as he did. Even Chase Daniel said "this is all Purdy."
how is it not Kyle's system. The play and routes were called. Purdy threw where Aiyuk should be. He's not backyard ballin and just throw balls anywhere

Because Aiyuk's route was FLAT. Purdy threw it more like a post, AWAY from Aiyuk's route path. That's outside the structure of the play/route. Not to mention the check down was wide open. As I keep saying, Purdy is pushing the limits of Kyle's system and play designs. This is a good thing and what you want a QB to do.

Why are you so hell bent on the head coach getting the credit? I'm almost 50 years old and I have never known a group of fans who put the coach in front of the players. So damn strange lol
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:33 PM
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
When I look at this play, as I have now for FIFTY TIMES, I see elements of the WCO. We know that Shanahan is still using elements of the Bill Walsh playbook because Purdy ran the Hollywood play in Seattle last year. It was a play that both Joe Montana and Steve Young ran to perfection under BW. We also know that Walsh was a master at deception. He clearly believed in the mantra of "throw it where they ain't," and his WCO was designed to catch key defensive players out of position.

If you look at that play again, focus on the deception. It's provided by Kittle. He breaks to the corner of the endzone a second before Aiyuk pivots to the center. In doing so, Kittle pulls the Seahawk safety with him as he pivots to cover the player closest to the endzone. But, all that does is open up the middle of the field. Remember, Aiyuk hasn't made his pivot yet. He's got options of going to the corner or the center. But given that Kittle has already cleared out the safety with his pivot to the corner of the endzone, the center is going to be WIDE OPEN. It is, and Purdy throws a beautiful dart for a clinching score. By the time the Seattle safety understands what is taking place and attempts to recover, it's already too late. He can't stop it. He's not in position to make that play.

That is the WCO in a nutshell. I can remember watching old vids of BW telling receivers, "if you do this, then that spot should be wide open." That is what I see with this play.

BW would have loved Brock Purdy.

Indeed ❤️
Kyle has been doing this since he has gotten here. This is why QBs get the Whole "is it the QB or is it Kyle" when a QB plays decent
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:33 PM
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Originally posted by Furlow:
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Again, not the adjustments that Chase Daniel was referring to in his video.

The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.

Sight adjustment is a term that is specifically about blitzes. For example, if there a blitz, change the route to a quick slant.
Route adjustment is what JD described - against a certain coverage, run a certain route.

What qnnhan and you are talking about is simply throwing a WR open.
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:43 PM
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Furlow:
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The term 'route adjustment' means a specific thing. I assumed that's what qnnhan was talking about when he said, "Route adjustment". If he was talking about something else, then why would he use the term 'route adjustment'?

What you and Jonny started talking about has always been "sight adjustments" from my understanding. If that's the same as "route adjustment," okay. I guess we need a new term for when a WR's route is on a certain path, and the QB throws a pass that takes him off of that path and towards an open area for a reception. That is what Purdy is ELITE at and how I feel is expanding Kyle's offense beyond the "design." As well as throwing to "clear outs" of/when they are open, even if the play is not designed to go there - assuming it's not Deebo running the clear out because he runs them lazy lol.


This is the play I was referring to. It looks to me like Brock adjusted the throw slightly more to the post to lead Aiyuk open. Both Chase Daniel's and JTO sorta lean to that interpretation. I don't know enough about football to call it anything else other than 'route adjustment ' but sight adjustment seems more fitting to this play.

Also, Alex Smith was breaking down Mahomes and his receivers, Smith indicated that on some plays the receiver have 3 options of running their route depending on how they are covered. Saying Mahomes and his receivers not on the same page at times' so the throws were off.

On some breakdowns CMC has options but does Brock have the same level of options from his receivers as Mahomes....?

Yes, Brock threw Aiyuk open. I agree with Chase(?) that Aiyuk was running more of a Dig. Brock led him to a more open area by leading him to the Post. It is not a 'route adjustment' only because that term is reserved for when the WR changes his route based off the coverage he is seeing (as part of the play's design). I didn't come up with these terms, that's just what it's called. I see where the confusion started now.
Dec 2, 2023 at 3:45 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Because Aiyuk's route was FLAT. Purdy threw it more like a post, AWAY from Aiyuk's route path. That's outside the structure of the play/route. Not to mention the check down was wide open. As I keep saying, Purdy is pushing the limits of Kyle's system and play designs. This is a good thing and what you want a QB to do.

Why are you so hell bent on the head coach getting the credit? I'm almost 50 years old and I have never known a group of fans who put the coach in front of the players. So damn strange lol
hell bent ? Not hell bent, but it is false. Your interpretation of what happened is not a fact. so I'm not sure why a 50 YO is so hell bent to make things up to spite the coach.

You were already incorrect on your first attempt on this, now you spinned into another and about to be corrected again.

Purdy is not throwing prayer balls and hoping the Aiyuk is there. Aiyuk should be in that area and no where else
Dec 2, 2023 at 4:02 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
When I look at this play, as I have now for FIFTY TIMES, I see elements of the WCO. We know that Shanahan is still using elements of the Bill Walsh playbook because Purdy ran the Hollywood play in Seattle last year. It was a play that both Joe Montana and Steve Young ran to perfection under BW. We also know that Walsh was a master at deception. He clearly believed in the mantra of "throw it where they ain't," and his WCO was designed to catch key defensive players out of position.

If you look at that play again, focus on the deception. It's provided by Kittle. He breaks to the corner of the endzone a second before Aiyuk pivots to the center. In doing so, Kittle pulls the Seahawk safety with him as he pivots to cover the player closest to the endzone. But, all that does is open up the middle of the field. Remember, Aiyuk hasn't made his pivot yet. He's got options of going to the corner or the center. But given that Kittle has already cleared out the safety with his pivot to the corner of the endzone, the center is going to be WIDE OPEN. It is, and Purdy throws a beautiful dart for a clinching score. By the time the Seattle safety understands what is taking place and attempts to recover, it's already too late. He can't stop it. He's not in position to make that play.

That is the WCO in a nutshell. I can remember watching old vids of BW telling receivers, "if you do this, then that spot should be wide open." That is what I see with this play.

BW would have loved Brock Purdy.

Indeed ❤️
Kyle has been doing this since he has gotten here. This is why QBs get the Whole "is it the QB or is it Kyle" when a QB plays decent

A lot of QB's can run this system and run it well. Jimmy G. ran it well. I don't think anyone can doubt that given Jimmy's success.

But, was Jimmy great at it? At this point I just believe Brock Purdy runs this offense better than Jimmy G. ever did. And Jimmy G. was pretty darn good. Does Brock have that greatness in him to take the 49ers to a SB and win it? Time will tell. I think he can. But there's a long way to go yet. A long way.
Dec 2, 2023 at 4:09 PM
Originally posted by billbird2111:
A lot of QB's can run this system and run it well. Jimmy G. ran it well. I don't think anyone can doubt that given Jimmy's success.

But, was Jimmy great at it? At this point I just believe Brock Purdy runs this offense better than Jimmy G. ever did. And Jimmy G. was pretty darn good. Does Brock have that greatness in him to take the 49ers to a SB and win it? Time will tell. I think he can. But there's a long way to go yet. A long way.

Wouldn't say Jimmy ran it well that's pretty much saying he ran it great. I say he ran it fine but left a lot of points on the board most of the time. The offense looked limited when he was under center aside from maybe a few games. Brock is running it pretty damn well though right now.
Dec 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Wonder if Kyle should just install route adjustment options to the offense, Brock already done it for him lol

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So u know more football than most people on this forum, but you think that we don't have route adjustments? Interesting...

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