QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Unfortunately, these "system QB" takes are just going to continue for Purdy as long as we have a stacked offense + Kyle Shanahan. For him to get the respect he deserves, it's going to take Brock having success with everyone getting injured--- and NOBODY is wishing for injuries.

Frustrating, because Brock Purdy is operating the Shanahan offense at its highest level since Matt Ryan won the MVP and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

Yesterday an article in The Athletic debunked all those "system" claims along with "weapons", play-callers, and the rest.

MVP seasons are ALWAYS about a QB on teams with all those pieces in place. Purdy is having one of those seasons.

2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
grant cohn article. go figure. terrible write up.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/who-stands-between-the-49ers-and-the-super-bowl#comments

not clicking

it was posted on the front page of the zone. i didnt know it was him until i opened it. guess I'm doing him a favor by linking it here. now you know!

How does an OC blow a 25 point lead?

horrible take as i expected, cohn aint worth my clicks

thanks for sharing tho!

It sucks that I'll never get the 15 seconds I spent reading that back.

Originally posted by Furlow:
2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

I think our overall group of weapons is superior honestly… and there's no comparison in coaching/scheme.

That said, your point still stands. QB's who have MVP seasons generally have a ton of support in terms of playmaking around them.

2011 Aaron Rodgers was arguably the best pure passing ever seen at the position. The guy was Dan Marino with real mobility.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
grant cohn article. go figure. terrible write up.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/who-stands-between-the-49ers-and-the-super-bowl#comments

not clicking

it was posted on the front page of the zone. i didnt know it was him until i opened it. guess I'm doing him a favor by linking it here. now you know!

Well, at least he is not saying it is Purdy...so.... progress?

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Well, at least he is not saying it is Purdy...so.... progress?

The last straw to grasp. Gets to milk it for a couple more months.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Unfortunately, these "system QB" takes are just going to continue for Purdy as long as we have a stacked offense + Kyle Shanahan. For him to get the respect he deserves, it's going to take Brock having success with everyone getting injured--- and NOBODY is wishing for injuries.

Frustrating, because Brock Purdy is operating the Shanahan offense at its highest level since Matt Ryan won the MVP and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

Yesterday an article in The Athletic debunked all those "system" claims along with "weapons", play-callers, and the rest.

MVP seasons are ALWAYS about a QB on teams with all those pieces in place. Purdy is having one of those seasons.

2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

That WR group and TE's was absolutely awesome. Probably the best they ever had. Yeah you need pieces around you. Look how Mahomes does without Tyreek Hill. Worse than usual. Surprise, surprise.

Brocky is a stone cold killer, no mercy with this one

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Unfortunately, these "system QB" takes are just going to continue for Purdy as long as we have a stacked offense + Kyle Shanahan. For him to get the respect he deserves, it's going to take Brock having success with everyone getting injured--- and NOBODY is wishing for injuries.

Frustrating, because Brock Purdy is operating the Shanahan offense at its highest level since Matt Ryan won the MVP and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

Yesterday an article in The Athletic debunked all those "system" claims along with "weapons", play-callers, and the rest.

MVP seasons are ALWAYS about a QB on teams with all those pieces in place. Purdy is having one of those seasons.

2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

That WR group and TE's was absolutely awesome. Probably the best they ever had. Yeah you need pieces around you. Look how Mahomes does without Tyreek Hill. Worse than usual. Surprise, surprise.

Mahomes won the MVP last year (deservedly) without Tyreek Hill.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

I think our overall group of weapons is superior honestly… and there's no comparison in coaching/scheme.

That said, your point still stands. QB's who have MVP seasons generally have a ton of support in terms of playmaking around them.

2011 Aaron Rodgers was arguably the best pure passing ever seen at the position. The guy was Dan Marino with real mobility.

This is why I don't consider wins a QB stat. Every good QB needs blockers, receivers and RBs as well as a better than average OC.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by BrockIsHim:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
In the short-area of the field, I would argue that Jimmy is more accurate. But Purdy is just outperforming Jimmy in about every thing else, IMO.

All in all though, I think what's setting apart Brock Purdy from Jimmy and other QB's in this league isn't so much the accuracy... but the Anticipation.
Looking at everyone's film reviews on Youtube... Jonnydel... JT O'Sullivan... every one points out that Purdy's ANTICIPATION is his elite quality.

It's irrefutable. All you need to do is freeze the frame on videos and clearly see that he's winding up for the throw before receivers get out of their breaks. THAT is the area where he's set apart from other QB's.

Jimmy regularly threw balls behind guys or over guys. He got his players hurt all the time with hospital balls. His accuracy was an issue. Purdy's is elite.

When Purdy went over the top to CMC, it's not possible to throw a better ball than that

I think that was a choice route. Brock and CMC had to be on the same page. Not an easy throw at all.

it was a out and up variation, like a wheel but he paused slightly in the flat before turning up

It's a basic concept. CMC is running a "rail" route. It's a deep outside go starting from the RB spot. We've run it with Juice, Kittle, Hasty, Deebo.

You run a basic route outside(in route at 12-14 yards) against a matching outside zone paired with the rail route and get a player matched up on a curl/flat player having to match a vertical. If the webzone made it easier to post pictures from my phone or comp I'd post the play-art.

Just bumping this in case anyone missed the clarification

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Unfortunately, these "system QB" takes are just going to continue for Purdy as long as we have a stacked offense + Kyle Shanahan. For him to get the respect he deserves, it's going to take Brock having success with everyone getting injured--- and NOBODY is wishing for injuries.

Frustrating, because Brock Purdy is operating the Shanahan offense at its highest level since Matt Ryan won the MVP and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

Yesterday an article in The Athletic debunked all those "system" claims along with "weapons", play-callers, and the rest.

MVP seasons are ALWAYS about a QB on teams with all those pieces in place. Purdy is having one of those seasons.

2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

That WR group and TE's was absolutely awesome. Probably the best they ever had. Yeah you need pieces around you. Look how Mahomes does without Tyreek Hill. Worse than usual. Surprise, surprise.

Mahomes won the MVP last year (deservedly) without Tyreek Hill.

Watch him this year. He doesn't throw down the field as good. He misses Tyreek and his 4.1 speed.

Another thing to point out in the whole other "Is Brock elite?" narrative, is that he doesn't make those "perfect throws that beat perfect coverage" that everyone goes gaga about. Which when you think about it... Shanahan doesn't need to make him attempt these high-difficulty throws because the scheme and the personnel is too good. And Brock's decision-making is so good that he can find another good option if the #1 option isn't open. He doesn't need to Hero Ball things.

I just wish though that media, fans would value his Anticipation more. Every film analysis I've seen from Jonnydel, JT O'Sullivan, Chase Daniel, etc... they go to great pains to point out that Brock Purdy's Anticipation is ELITE.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Unfortunately, these "system QB" takes are just going to continue for Purdy as long as we have a stacked offense + Kyle Shanahan. For him to get the respect he deserves, it's going to take Brock having success with everyone getting injured--- and NOBODY is wishing for injuries.

Frustrating, because Brock Purdy is operating the Shanahan offense at its highest level since Matt Ryan won the MVP and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

Yesterday an article in The Athletic debunked all those "system" claims along with "weapons", play-callers, and the rest.

MVP seasons are ALWAYS about a QB on teams with all those pieces in place. Purdy is having one of those seasons.

2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

That WR group and TE's was absolutely awesome. Probably the best they ever had. Yeah you need pieces around you. Look how Mahomes does without Tyreek Hill. Worse than usual. Surprise, surprise.

Mahomes won the MVP last year (deservedly) without Tyreek Hill.

Watch him this year. He doesn't throw down the field as good. He misses Tyreek and his 4.1 speed.

he's making the throws.. they are just being dropped

Originally posted by Furlow:
2011 Aaron Rodgers had arguably the greatest season ever for a QB. Record 122.5 QB rating, 3rd best QBR all time 83.8, 45 TD's (9.0% TD rate), 6 INT's, 9.2 YPA. Simply amazing that year. His WR's were:

Jordy Nelson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
Randall Cobb
James Jones
Jermichael Finley (TE)
Ryan Grant (RB)

Kittle and CMC are definitely upgrades but that Packers WR group was special. No disrespect to Aiyuk and Deebo, but collectively our WR's are not on that level. Like you said, MVP's always have pieces around them.

could argue aaron's 2020 and 2021 seasons were better

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Another thing to point out in the whole other "Is Brock elite?" narrative, is that he doesn't make those "perfect throws that beat perfect coverage" that everyone goes gaga about. Which when you think about it... Shanahan doesn't need to make him attempt these high-difficulty throws because the scheme and the personnel is too good. And Brock's decision-making is so good that he can find another good option if the #1 option isn't open. He doesn't need to Hero Ball things.

I just wish though that media, fans would value his Anticipation more. Every film analysis I've seen from Jonnydel, JT O'Sullivan, Chase Daniel, etc... they go to great pains to point out that Brock Purdy's Anticipation is ELITE.

He has made a good number of those throws though. It is just that the wide-open throws are more prevalent.

The sideline throw to McCaffrey in Philly, though CMC was wide open, was a perfect throw. If the ball would have been anyplace else, there would have been no YAC.

The TD throw to BA last week against the Seahawks was about as perfect as anyone could imagine.

He also makes a LOT of shorter throws where the receiver doesn't have to slow his pace to catch the ball, thereby allowing YAC. Another example is the throws where he throttles down the receiver to avoid them taking a big hit. He had one of those to Kittle over the middle where George slowed to take the ball on his back shoulder which lined him up with only the safety in range to tackle him. Had he led GK it would have been a completion but George would have absorbed a hard hit just as he caught the ball.

Those are just some of the "perfect" passes that go unnoticed but they are perfect nonetheless. They do exactly what must be done for the play to succeed. That is the definition of perfection.