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Dec 11, 2023 at 1:22 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by tankle104:

jimmy doesn't know how to go balls deep :/

Lol I just reread my own post - i always knew Jimmy sucked at throwing deep the entire time he was here… but to see the overall stats. Sickening. Lmao just embarrassing.

And it sure as s**t wasn't scheme or personnel related like some Jimmy defenders said for years

glad we can finally put that to bed.

I just had another post, a page ago, that I pulled from an article. It says how kyles plays almost always have a route for short, intermediate, and deep - it just depends on what coverage the defense plays on where the qb should go with the ball. So I've always known the deep shots were there, I just always felt like Kyle gave up expecting those shots cause Jimmy almost never take em.

Honestly to only complete 6 in 5 years is insane.

the more we are learning (or at least IM understanding now), I get why Kyle was so frustrated with Jimmy. His offense wasn't being executed and it was making those wins much harder than they had to be, really makes me appreciate Kyle more as a coach. Even though I've always loved having him.

id be curious if someone has gone through the all22 and high lighted how many open deeper passes there were that he passed up. Has to be a ton. Has to be infuriating to be a guy like BA too - makes sense why he wanted Lance to play, he probably felt like the skill guys would potentially have better utilization.


I still don't think Jimmy was horrible. I'm just realizing how much he was really holding the team back. I still think he's a solid qb (relative to most around the league) but more limited than I thought he was.

it helps to see someone like Brock show what was missing.

I personally didn't mind moving off if Jimmy, I just didn't think Lance was the right option - especially at that time based on where he was as a QB.

as soon as I saw Brock, I pretty much completely forgot about jimmy and couldn't of cared less what happened to him.

Me neither. He was decent here. Top half probably. But since we all hate The Ringer, here's what they had to say about Brock throwing more down field:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/10/11/23912295/brock-purdy-kyle-shanahan-san-francisco-49ers

Originally Posted by The Ringer

Critically: The 49ers playmakers have not been given new roles to match Purdy's ambition; rather, they're just getting treated differently. Look at the downfield routes—post routes and go routes—for Samuel and Aiyuk. They run them at roughly the same percentages for Purdy and Garoppolo—but a far higher percentage of their targets have come on downfield throws with Purdy as the quarterback than with Garoppolo.

Can't say this is false. As I've been saying for years, the deep passes have always been there. The same routes. We just have a QB who has the confidence, nay, the gall, no, no, the ARROGANCE, nay, the ARM-AROGANCE, nay nay, the DISRESPECT to throw it. Brock is teabagging defenses with those down the field throws.

I think quality of QBs drop off dramatically after like 13th ranked. Essentially, if you're not ranked in the top 12-13, you're trade. Lol that's why I always say that Jimmy was typically somewhere 9-13 rank - either he played above average or average. I think he typically fell in that 9-11th ranked, like slightly above average on most days.

yeah, Brock has the right mix of confidence/arrogance/risk etc to where he really believes he can make any throw. I think what he is most confident in is his accuracy - which is why he's so willing to make tough throws. He knows they're tight windows but believes he can make the fit - give his guys a chance.

he also has something that I feel like QBs here have lacked for a LONG time and that's complete confidence in his playmakers - he really is super confident/comfortable giving his guys a chance. Kap was really only comfy doing that with Crabtree. Alex was really only somewhat comfy doing that with v davis. Brock is willing to do it with jennings and up. Lol

sure he has better skill guys than those guys ever did but I think Brock's willingness to do that stuff, really fires the guys up and excites them - they know that no matter what route they're on - they might get it.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:24 PM
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Imagine prime Jerry Rice and Brock...


You see it in games...you see it in tough, adverse situations on the road like last week in Philly...Brock is a cool customer, especially for someone only 23 years old.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:24 PM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Ruixx:
Oh eff Cohen, he only says that now to get clicks as he built up his negative agenda against Purdy all year. Not a journalist. Just a headline writer.

Really what should be the key to Purdy being the real deal is that this is the very first QB in decades that actually united Niners fans. No beat writer, no coach, literally no one is as hard on 49ers quarterbacks as 49ers fans (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessary, it's just a fanbase that really values and knows the QB position.)

Kap didn't unite the fan base?

Kap had a lot of haters that were Alex smith loyalists

Honestly there's still some Brock haters (or simply not all in) still. If a couple losses come, they will come out of the woodwork. Everyone loves everyone when they're winning consistently and actually putting pts on the board.



Kelso would be proud.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:25 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Imagine prime Jerry Rice and Brock...


WOW!

I bet Brock went from 6 to midnight
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:25 PM
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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
jimmy doesn't know how to go balls deep :/



Jimmy is still a good QB, not to the level of a Brock Purdy (otherwise he'd have given Tom Brady a run for his starting job a la Steve Young vs Joe) but he's plenty good for where the team wa in 2017. That team was a bottom feeding team and he moved it to upper echelon/playoff level the next couple of years. I just don't get the Jimmy hate here.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:26 PM
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Originally posted by tankle104:
I just had another post, a page ago, that I pulled from an article. It says how kyles plays almost always have a route for short, intermediate, and deep - it just depends on what coverage the defense plays on where the qb should go with the ball. So I've always known the deep shots were there, I just always felt like Kyle gave up expecting those shots cause Jimmy almost never take em.

Honestly to only complete 6 in 5 years is insane.

the more we are learning (or at least IM understanding now), I get why Kyle was so frustrated with Jimmy. His offense wasn't being executed and it was making those wins much harder than they had to be, really makes me appreciate Kyle more as a coach. Even though I've always loved having him.

id be curious if someone has gone through the all22 and high lighted how many open deeper passes there were that he passed up. Has to be a ton. Has to be infuriating to be a guy like BA too - makes sense why he wanted Lance to play, he probably felt like the skill guys would potentially have better utilization.

I can't quantify but it happened every single game where there was an opportunity to hit a deep ball but it was not targeted. In 2021, Aiyuk's body language started to be bad, and he would show his frustration after he looked back and saw that a pass had gone somewhere else as he was streaking up the field with separation.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:29 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I can't quantify but it happened every single game where there was an opportunity to hit a deep ball but it was not targeted. In 2021, Aiyuk's body language started to be bad, and he would show his frustration after he looked back and saw that a pass had gone somewhere else as he was streaking up the field with separation.

2021 championship game for sure. So many missed opportunities.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:29 PM
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Dec 11, 2023 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Imagine prime Jerry Rice and Brock...


You see it in games...you see it in tough, adverse situations on the road like last week in Philly...Brock is a cool customer, especially for someone only 23 years old.

Dude was all business before the game. Not even the GOAT can crack a smile.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:36 PM
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Imagine prime Jerry Rice and Brock...


I don't have to, I just have to watch montana throw it to rice and that is what it would look like.

MOntona to Rice = Brock to Aiyuk, Montana to John Frank/Brent Jones = Brock to kittle, Montana to John Taylor = Brock to Deebo. I dont think Montana ever had a running back talent like CMC, but both Craig and Rathman would probably equal to CMC together.

The greatest show on Turf, I think, had smaller recievers compared to the current 49er offense. Our receivers are built for the ground and pound game because they are big run blockers. To my recollection, Marshall Faulk was the Ram's entire run game, and pats shut him down. Today, you shut CMC, Kyle will give it to Deebo, Mitchell, or Mason.

Edit: Montana had Wendell Tyler and went 15-1.
[ Edited by Giedi on Dec 11, 2023 at 1:38 PM ]
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:40 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
I just had another post, a page ago, that I pulled from an article. It says how kyles plays almost always have a route for short, intermediate, and deep - it just depends on what coverage the defense plays on where the qb should go with the ball. So I've always known the deep shots were there, I just always felt like Kyle gave up expecting those shots cause Jimmy almost never take em.

Honestly to only complete 6 in 5 years is insane.

the more we are learning (or at least IM understanding now), I get why Kyle was so frustrated with Jimmy. His offense wasn't being executed and it was making those wins much harder than they had to be, really makes me appreciate Kyle more as a coach. Even though I've always loved having him.

id be curious if someone has gone through the all22 and high lighted how many open deeper passes there were that he passed up. Has to be a ton. Has to be infuriating to be a guy like BA too - makes sense why he wanted Lance to play, he probably felt like the skill guys would potentially have better utilization.

Every offense has that, you want to challenge a defense at all levels but you only build credibility when you show that you can attack all levels.

With Purdy, not only is he willing and able to hit those deep passes with a high level of accuracy. defenses now have to honor the deep ball and defend accordingly. There's a lot less cheating up towards the line of scrimmage to stuff the run and smother intermediate routes, he'll go over the top of you if you give him that opportunity.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:41 PM

Dec 11, 2023 at 1:45 PM
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by tankle104:

jimmy doesn't know how to go balls deep :/

Lol I just reread my own post - i always knew Jimmy sucked at throwing deep the entire time he was here… but to see the overall stats. Sickening. Lmao just embarrassing.

And it sure as s**t wasn't scheme or personnel related like some Jimmy defenders said for years

glad we can finally put that to bed.

I just had another post, a page ago, that I pulled from an article. It says how kyles plays almost always have a route for short, intermediate, and deep - it just depends on what coverage the defense plays on where the qb should go with the ball. So I've always known the deep shots were there, I just always felt like Kyle gave up expecting those shots cause Jimmy almost never take em.

Honestly to only complete 6 in 5 years is insane.

the more we are learning (or at least IM understanding now), I get why Kyle was so frustrated with Jimmy. His offense wasn't being executed and it was making those wins much harder than they had to be, really makes me appreciate Kyle more as a coach. Even though I've always loved having him.

id be curious if someone has gone through the all22 and high lighted how many open deeper passes there were that he passed up. Has to be a ton. Has to be infuriating to be a guy like BA too - makes sense why he wanted Lance to play, he probably felt like the skill guys would potentially have better utilization.

Agree about Kyle's frustration. He's seen first hand Steve Young, Elway, Matt Ryan, to just name a few of the elite QBs he's seen up close personally. Him seeing Jimmy pass up deep balls because of his accuracy limitations, probably one reason that made him go the Trey Lance trade rout.
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:46 PM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I really don't care if Purdy wins an MVP or not. Individual accolades are meaningless to me as a fan. Dak can have the MVP every year for all I care, let the 49ers win the SB. Manning has more MVP's than Montana or Brady but I'll take their SB success over his any day.

I think really the next big test for Brock is going to be going up against a tough Ravens defense on Christmas. That's about as complete of a defense as you're going to find in the NFL and unlike the Eagles and Seahawks, the 49ers aren't going to be able to just pick on a weak group of LB's so it'll be interesting to see how Kyle and Purdy and the rest of the offense handle them, especially with both teams likely in the hunt for homefield throughout the playoffs.

The accolades are what write a HOF resume. The more HOF's a franchise has the more prestige it brings to the organization.



You really think an extra SB victory (would total 6) bring less prestige to an organization than an extra guy in the HOF?
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 11, 2023 at 1:51 PM ]
Dec 11, 2023 at 1:50 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.
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