QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.

Most of this is reasonable, but I dispute that there is some massive gap between the Cowboys and 49ers in terms of skill players PLUS pass protection. The Cowboys pass protection is sufficiently better than the 49ers pass protection that it, IMHO, fully equalizes the difference in skill position players.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ruixx:

Oh eff Cohen, he only says that now to get clicks as he built up his negative agenda against Purdy all year. Not a journalist. Just a headline writer.

Really what should be the key to Purdy being the real deal is that this is the very first QB in decades that actually united Niners fans. No beat writer, no coach, literally no one is as hard on 49ers quarterbacks as 49ers fans (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessary, it's just a fanbase that really values and knows the QB position.)

Kap didn't unite the fan base?

Kap had a lot of haters that were Alex smith loyalists

Honestly there's still some Brock haters (or simply not all in) still. If a couple losses come, they will come out of the woodwork. Everyone loves everyone when they're winning consistently and actually putting pts on the board.

Brock has 20 less deep ball attempts than Dak. Yet he has the same amount of TD's, 7 more yards per attempt, the same amount of total yards, the same rate of BTT's with a +13.4 completion %.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Look at teams still trying to find QBs. It's the most visible selection of any position. There is a lot of hit and miss out there amongst the teams that have had early selections. That Jets guy just to name one. I know it's easy to say these guys get paid the big bucks to find the right guy but if it were that easy every team would have outstanding QBs. It's just the way it goes. Jimmy was a cheap buy at first and we needed a QB. Cousins wasn't available at that time of Jimmy acquisition.

I 100% believe Kyle and John were thinking they were getting a Brock with Trey and I was 100% on board with that. I'm not going to slam the kid. It didn't quite turn out that way but from all appearances he did everything he could to be that guy. From QB coaches all off season to first in last out in building (so they say). He didn't need a no video games in his contract.

There is always a bit of luck and let's face it, we got a bit of luck on this one which in most cases is how it goes anyway. I'm just thankful I watch these games now and I'm blown away by the offense. It doesn't matter how many cans we kicked to get here. The point is we are here. I just hope the front office stays in place to get a few trophies. I honestly don't know what to expect from John. He seems maybe we get one it may be time to head home to San Diego. It was a blast and mission accomplished.

This is the year. It has to be.

That is why I never understood why some where so upset with Jimmy - it's hard to find a good qb in this league and he was solid for us. Not ideal, but not horrible either. regardless, it's over. so whatever, it was a nice little run.

I think the team geniuenly believed they were getting a special player in Trey and trey didn't fail here because of lack of effort - he def did his part. there are a lot of reasons it didn't work. He's still young and may pan out for someone. I never really liked the selection but it had to do with trey the QB and not trey the person.

getting an elite QB in this league may require more luck than anything. lol we def lucked into Brock. I have no issue with that.

I'm just glad we finally got a top notch QB while we still have this roster and it isn't wasted like the harbaugh years were. I can't wait to see what we do it with it in the playoffs. I think it'll be super special performances.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock has 20 less deep ball attempts than Dak. Yet he has the same amount of TD's, 7 more yards per attempt, the same amount of total yards, the same rate of BTT's with a +13.4 completion %.

this all is gonna get settled in January

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock has 20 less deep ball attempts than Dak. Yet he has the same amount of TD's, 7 more yards per attempt, the same amount of total yards, the same rate of BTT's with a +13.4 completion %.

this all is gonna get settled in January

difference is.. our defense wants that smoke with their O. Their defense doesn't want it with our O.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.

Most of this is reasonable, but I dispute that there is some massive gap between the Cowboys and 49ers in terms of skill players PLUS pass protection. The Cowboys pass protection is sufficiently better than the 49ers pass protection that it, IMHO, fully equalizes the difference in skill position players.

MVP is often about the best story. And in the NFL media's eyes, who has a better story than Dak 'Dem Cowboy?

I think a Key difference between the Brock led 49ers and any other QB we've had, namely Jimmy, is that the offense is executed so well - that these games aren't super grind it out crazy physical battles.

since we pass all over, it isn't as easy to predict where the ball is going to go and just pound the guy as he runs the same routes over and over again. I think this helps the defense stay healthy and fresh as well. we've still had injuries but it seems like since brock took over, we haven't had as many overall injuries - more of just normal stuff. (besdides brocks injury lol). maybe it's just luck, who knows. Just seems that since the games aren't always coming down to the wire and same area of the field over and over again, that we dont take the same punishment as we did before.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.

Most of this is reasonable, but I dispute that there is some massive gap between the Cowboys and 49ers in terms of skill players PLUS pass protection. The Cowboys pass protection is sufficiently better than the 49ers pass protection that it, IMHO, fully equalizes the difference in skill position players.

MVP is often about the best story. And in the NFL media's eyes, who has a better story than Dak 'Dem Cowboy?

what's the story? guy yells 'here wo goo' a lot? the story would be the cinderella story, that's Brock

I expect ole Dak to take a few steps back when they play the bills and dolphins.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.

Most of this is reasonable, but I dispute that there is some massive gap between the Cowboys and 49ers in terms of skill players PLUS pass protection. The Cowboys pass protection is sufficiently better than the 49ers pass protection that it, IMHO, fully equalizes the difference in skill position players.

MVP is often about the best story. And in the NFL media's eyes, who has a better story than Dak 'Dem Cowboy?

what's the story? guy yells 'here wo goo' a lot? the story would be the cinderella story, that's Brock

You missed the joke.

Bran's story is a total spin job to give the throne to someone less deserving in order to shift the power to the council. Media wants to keep the power of telling the narrative of the league. Cowboys bring in more national money, so if they can they'll always give the edge for MVP to a Cowboy over a Niner.

Originally posted by bud49:
I expect ole Dak to take a few steps back when they play the bills and dolphins.

It is written.

Really think Brock has the right setup to put himself in position to win the award. Cowboys hit a bump in the road or two over the next two weeks… Brock gets opportunity on MNF against Ravens, and potentially a significant on both sides week 18 game against the Rams (which could also be flexed I believe).

Originally posted by captveg:
MVP is often about the best story. And in the NFL media's eyes, who has a better story than Dak 'Dem Cowboy?

That completely tops the scale in Purdy's favor. The league does everything possible to get draft viewers, and what better way to get more people to watch the last day of the draft than to show that even Mr Irrelevant can be MVP?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by bud49:
I expect ole Dak to take a few steps back when they play the bills and dolphins.

It is written.

Really think Brock has the right setup to put himself in position to win the award. Cowboys hit a bump in the road or two over the next two weeks… Brock gets opportunity on MNF against Ravens, and potentially a significant on both sides week 18 game against the Rams (which could also be flexed I believe).

Exactly my thoughts also.

Originally posted by captveg:
MVP is often about the best story. And in the NFL media's eyes, who has a better story than Dak 'Dem Cowboy?

When did Nick Wright get that scar?