QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, but the QB position is so hard to evaluate. Even a genius Offensive Guru like Kyle has made QB mistakes (Patrick Mahomes) and Brock - being drafted dead last. Brock - I totally agree - is the lotto pick. Totally unexpected and extremely rare talent that's generational. You don't get talent like that - even if you had 10 number one draft picks each of the last 5 years in my opinion. I think he's that rare a talent.

About once every 20 years there comes a montana/Brady type qb. I really think we are about to witness a QB of their caliber again - one that just leads their team to the promise land over and over again.

its WAYY too early to tell with Brock but he just has that vibe to me.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, but the QB position is so hard to evaluate. Even a genius Offensive Guru like Kyle has made QB mistakes (Patrick Mahomes) and Brock - being drafted dead last. Brock - I totally agree - is the lotto pick. Totally unexpected and extremely rare talent that's generational. You don't get talent like that - even if you had 10 number one draft picks each of the last 5 years in my opinion. I think he's that rare a talent.

He drafted Brock at the perfect spot. Ideal. Was he undervalued by the league? Obviously. We get to take full advantage of that in part because we used the appropriate pick on him. Everybody wins, except 31 other teams and Brock's short term wallet, lol.

Yeah, that's the other HUGE advantage the 49ers have with Brock. In the old days, I think you can re-negotiate the contracts almost right away (pre-cap) and before the current form of free agency. Brock has two more years on that minimum wage contract - and not a damn thing he can do about it.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Remember when people said Kyle doesn't call these types of plays…that it had nothing to do with the QB?

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arm strength looked pretty there

also that was only like a 44 yard throw bro

Looked to me closer to 50 air yards. and it didn't look like he was using 100%, more like he was using about 75%-to-85% of his arm strength.

nah it was like 44~46ish. but doesn't matter lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, but the QB position is so hard to evaluate. Even a genius Offensive Guru like Kyle has made QB mistakes (Patrick Mahomes) and Brock - being drafted dead last. Brock - I totally agree - is the lotto pick. Totally unexpected and extremely rare talent that's generational. You don't get talent like that - even if you had 10 number one draft picks each of the last 5 years in my opinion. I think he's that rare a talent.

About once every 20 years there comes a montana/Brady type qb. I really think we are about to witness a QB of their caliber again - one that just leads their team to the promise land over and over again.

its WAYY too early to tell with Brock but he just has that vibe to me.

Your feeling and the stats agree. He's had generational stats since last year.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP. First of all he doesn't have as many weapons as Purdy. None of us can deny that their playmakers just don't match up with SF. The other thing is he plays for the Cowboys. Like it or not, those Eastern writers are going to favor a guy from the NFC East over the NFC West if it's close. I think it should be Purdy but I won't be upset if Dak wins it. Especially if the Niners win the SB.

Can you? Because I absolutely cannot. Dak is CLEARLY #2 when you look at this chart.

Same.

You had me at Dak is clearly number 2

To you and most Niner fans he's #1. That isn't necessarily true for people in other parts of the country. Many of them don't actually see him play and see the way he finds open receivers when the play breaks down. They still view hm as a rather small QB with limited athletic skills. Remember Dallas games are shown in the Eastern time zone so more people see him play. I'm not defending Dak. I'm just trying to explain why Dak is viewed as the MVP favorite by many.

What does not being a Niner fan have to do with being able to read a chart?

People that vote on these awards don't just look at numbers. Those stats may be relevant but the voters look at a lot of things. Come on. You watch enough sports to know that. They're often a popularity contest. They look at comeback wins and that ranks high in their view because those are memorable. It 's often been suggested that the award shouldn't be called most valuable. It should be most outstanding. Those are 2 different things. East coast bias is real and always has been. Two thirds of the population lives there. They don't care about or see many Niner games.

Niner fans are fixated on the Niners. Why not. That's our team. We want our guys to win every award. If they wait until after the SB then the winner of that would often be the MVP.

It sometimes comes down to how would a team do if they had a different QB. The Niners wouldn't be as good but they would still be a playoff team. They have so many weapons that it would be nearly impossible for them not to play well enough to make the playoffs. We saw the Niners make the SB with JG who isn't as good as Brock but was good enough. He didn't have the weapons that Brock had either. Sanders was maybe their best receiver along with Kittle. They didn't have CMC. Still they nearly beat KC. Dallas has Dak and Lamb on offense and a good O line. The rest of their offensive talent is average at best. So you could say Dak is more valuable. Not better but more important to his team relative to the rest of the talent on the team.

Dude, you literally said "Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP."

Every word you have said in every post on this topic is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the sentence above that I was replying to. You said you can understand it BASED ON THE CHART. Nothing based on the chart suggests Dak is worthy of MVP over Purdy.

You either didn't read every word I said or I didn't make myself clear. When I said I understand how people looking at that chart would vote for Brock but I also said that people like you and me aren'y the ones that vote. I also followed up saying that the voters don't just use stats. I heard several arguments the last couple of weeks and most have Dak leading. I'm know it may not be right but that's what most people around the country are thinking. Again not in the Bay Area but nation wide. To much of the country the Niners are a good team but for some reason Dallas is always overhyped. Their players are too.

What is unclear about:

Looking at that comparison chart I can understand why some people have Dak as MVP.

That is literally what you said. I looked at the chart. And I dont understand for the life of me how anyone could look at the chart and come away with the conclusion that Dak is the MVP.

Now, if you want to discuss ALL the other stuff you brought up afterwards, sure. You keep bringing up other factors, how folks around the country have thought for the past few weeks, etc. Cool. I dont disagree with that. But none of that other stuff supports your original statement.....that looking at the chart, you can understand why people have Dak as MVP.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, but the QB position is so hard to evaluate. Even a genius Offensive Guru like Kyle has made QB mistakes (Patrick Mahomes) and Brock - being drafted dead last. Brock - I totally agree - is the lotto pick. Totally unexpected and extremely rare talent that's generational. You don't get talent like that - even if you had 10 number one draft picks each of the last 5 years in my opinion. I think he's that rare a talent.

About once every 20 years there comes a montana/Brady type qb. I really think we are about to witness a QB of their caliber again - one that just leads their team to the promise land over and over again.

its WAYY too early to tell with Brock but he just has that vibe to me.

Your feeling and the stats agree. He's had generational stats since last year.

For me, it's more than the stats though. It's how he reads defenses, progresses through his reads, composure, accuracy, play making ability, composure etc. it just "feels" right to me. Everything about him screams "special player". He doesn't necessarily look like one but neither does Aaron Rodgers or montana, until they were.

people will say I'm getting ahead of myself and I really don't care. I know there are YEARS more of things we need to see before that can even become remotely true but I think that is what'll happen. I'd bet we win at least 3-4 rings in the next 7-8 years

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Lol so wholesome.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol so wholesome.

Hat forward, thank god. Sitting on top of the head can be forgiven.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Lol so wholesome.

He comes off as such a goody goody but in reality, he's an assassin for god. He goes straight crusade times on defenses - slaughters them in the name of the lord.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He drafted Brock at the perfect spot. Ideal. Was he undervalued by the league? Obviously. We get to take full advantage of that in part because we used the appropriate pick on him. Everybody wins, except 31 other teams and Brock's short term wallet, lol.

Even using the pick was more beneficial than signing him as a udfa. Would have to pay him this offseason if he was.

Originally posted by tankle104:
He comes off as such a goody goody but in reality, he's an assassin for god. He goes straight crusade times on defenses - slaughters them in the name of the lord.

Now the penthouse letters are getting apocalyptic.

Purdy with that Infinite Kohls Cash Drip.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, but the QB position is so hard to evaluate. Even a genius Offensive Guru like Kyle has made QB mistakes (Patrick Mahomes) and Brock - being drafted dead last. Brock - I totally agree - is the lotto pick. Totally unexpected and extremely rare talent that's generational. You don't get talent like that - even if you had 10 number one draft picks each of the last 5 years in my opinion. I think he's that rare a talent.

About once every 20 years there comes a montana/Brady type qb. I really think we are about to witness a QB of their caliber again - one that just leads their team to the promise land over and over again.

its WAYY too early to tell with Brock but he just has that vibe to me.

Your feeling and the stats agree. He's had generational stats since last year.

For me, it's more than the stats though. It's how he reads defenses, progresses through his reads, composure, accuracy, play making ability, conspire etc. it just "feels" right to me. Everything about him screams "special player". He doesn't necessarily look like one but neither does Aaron Rodgers or montana, until they were.

people will say I'm getting ahead of myself and I really don't care. I know there are YEARS more of things we need to see before that can even become remotely true but I think that is what'll happen. I'd bet we win at least 3-4 rings in the next 7-8 years

I've seen enough. He has no weaknesses to his game and executes plays the way a good play designer envisions his play to work. As long as he has competent weapons, he will put up production numbers. That wasn't a slight, all good QBs need playmakers to throw to.
The only thing left for me to see is more performances in end of game situations. By my count he is 2 for 2 so far (vs LVR 2022, vs CLE), where he led a drive that led to a makeable game winning FG, but it was missed.

Originally posted by tankle104:
About once every 20 years there comes a montana/Brady type qb. I really think we are about to witness a QB of their caliber again - one that just leads their team to the promise land over and over again.

its WAYY too early to tell with Brock but he just has that vibe to me.

You've been saying it all offseason and I've been resisting it but right about now I am leaning towards agreeing with you. My standard has always been beat Hurts and beat Mahomes. It looks like Brock may be able to do just that. He's already beaten one. He wins this chip and I'm sold that he belongs in the big three of 49er QBs of all time!